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basskisser March 2nd 04 05:16 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Soros calls for trade reform
Biggest Dem donor speaks on tax cuts, jobs, globalization

David Armstrong, Chronicle Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 2, 2004



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------






Global financier George Soros stressed Monday that globalization is
headed in the right direction but suggested badly needed reforms in
international trade agreements, currency exchange rates and security
pacts are necessary to correct inequities.

Soros, 73 and the possessor of a $7 billion fortune, said in an
interview with The Chronicle that quick action is needed, especially
because the Bush administration seems to be marching off in the wrong
direction.

Among other things, the Hungarian-born financier said President Bush
has failed to take action to stem job losses, initiate steps to
strengthen the dollar and revise trade agreements to assist poor
countries.

Soros is in the Bay Area to participate in a conversation Wednesday
evening with Orville Schell, dean of the UC Berkeley Graduate School
of Journalism, at Zellerbach Auditorium on the campus.

Job losses have become a hot-button issue in this year's presidential
campaign. Some candidates and activists blame job losses on free
trade, but Soros took issue with that position.

"Since I am not running for office, I can say that the World Trade
Organization and international trade increase the size of the pie;
there is more gain than loss,'' he said.

"However, the losses are real, and it is the job of the government to
create more jobs than are lost. The Bush administration is failing to
do this. ''

Soros, who has emerged as the largest donor to the Democratic Party,
questioned whether Bush's tax cuts will stimulate job growth. "The
purpose of Bush's tax cuts was to reduce taxes on the rich, people
like me,'' he said. "The linking of job cuts to taxes is deceptive.
They weren't targeted at the middle class, and some don't kick in for
five years. How does that create jobs in the short term?''

Noting that paying taxes normally carries a negative connotation,
Soros said there is a beneficial side to taxes: "They produce
services. What is wrong about paying taxes?''

Soros, who made millions on currency trading, also criticized the Bush
administration for allowing the dollar to sink against other major
currencies, such as the yen, the euro and the pound. A weak dollar
makes traveling and investing abroad more expensive for U.S. business,
though it can help U.S. exporters, whose goods become more affordable
in foreign markets.

Soros agreed, however, with those in the Bush administration who say
that the yuan, the currency in fast-growing China, should be revalued
so it rises to a more realistic value against the dollar. Many U.S.
economists say the yuan is overvalued by as much as 40 percent, making
U.S. goods more costly in China than they should be.

Soros also favors revising trade agreements to create greater
opportunity for poor countries.

"In the case of agriculture, there are $300 billion in government
subsidies in the developed countries,'' he said. "So, at the WTO
meeting in Cancun, the Group of 20 (developing countries) got together
and pressed for reducing the size of the subsidies.''

Soros supports such efforts to reform the WTO but says that
broad-stroke attacks on free trade generally are misplaced.

Soros also favors multilateralism in international security, noting
that he supported NATO's intervention in Kosovo several years ago but
believes the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq last year went forward on false
grounds.

Force should be used as a last resort, he said, and should be as
multilateral as possible when it is used. The multilateral
peacekeeping force now being assembled to protect lives and property
in the civil war in Haiti is a good example of cooperation among
nations during a crisis, he said.

At home, Soros makes no secret of his desire to unseat Bush. He has
contributed $15 million to liberal political groups and said he is
prepared to donate more, perhaps to a yet-to-be-created "presidential
media fund.''

"The Bush campaign will unleash a media offensive, I think, on
Wednesday, backed by $150 million,'' he said. "The gap is very
large.''

Soros said Sen. John Edwards would be "acceptable'' if he is the
Democratic nominee but seemed more excited by front-runner Sen. John
Kerry.

"I'm delighted that Kerry has emerged as the leading candidate -- a
war hero whose formative experience was the Vietnam War, who wants to
use military force as a last resort. He could do well against a
president, a warmonger, who has not experienced war personally.''



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Name: George Soros
Born: Budapest, Hungary, on Aug. 12, 1930

Profession: Fund manager, currency trader, philanthropist, campaign
donor, author.

Latest book: "The Bubble of American Supremacy: Correcting the Misuse
of American Power'' (December 2003)

Henry Blackmoore March 2nd 04 07:35 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , (basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?



bb March 2nd 04 08:02 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?


So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb

Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 12:55 AM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , bb wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?


So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb


Funny how FOUR out of the last ten Presidents were Texans eh?

Betcha didn't know that...


Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 12:56 AM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?


So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb


He knows a lot about duh.


say hell to buh for me junior....



Harry Krause March 3rd 04 12:58 AM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
Henry Blackmoore wrote:

In article , bb wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?


So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb


Funny how FOUR out of the last ten Presidents were Texans eh?

Betcha didn't know that...


Other than Mississippi and Alabama, Texas is the crappiest state in the
Union. All that money, and what does it have? Some of the worst
pollution, crappy schools, lousy health care and drugstore cowboys.

Jim March 3rd 04 01:36 AM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
OK Bush(Texan) (R), Clinton (D), Bush (R) (transplant texan)
Reagan (R), Carter (D), Ford (R), Nixon (R), Johnson (D) (texan)
Kennedy (D), Eisenhower (R) (got out of TX at an early age)

Henry Blackmoore wrote:
In article , bb wrote:


On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?


So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb



Funny how FOUR out of the last ten Presidents were Texans eh?

Betcha didn't know that...



Harry Krause March 3rd 04 10:13 AM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
Jim wrote:
OK Bush(Texan) (R), Clinton (D), Bush (R) (transplant texan)
Reagan (R), Carter (D), Ford (R), Nixon (R), Johnson (D) (texan)
Kennedy (D), Eisenhower (R) (got out of TX at an early age)

Henry Blackmoore wrote:
In article , bb wrote:


On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb



Funny how FOUR out of the last ten Presidents were Texans eh?

Betcha didn't know that...



Neither Bush is a Texan. The older Bush is a New Englander, as is Dubya.

basskisser March 3rd 04 12:25 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message thlink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.

Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 03:51 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message

thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession? :-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered at
least once on the outcome of a game.



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 05:18 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , Harry Krause wrote:

Jim wrote:
OK Bush(Texan) (R), Clinton (D), Bush (R) (transplant texan)
Reagan (R), Carter (D), Ford (R), Nixon (R), Johnson (D) (texan)
Kennedy (D), Eisenhower (R) (got out of TX at an early age)

Henry Blackmoore wrote:
In article , bb

wrote:


On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb


Funny how FOUR out of the last ten Presidents were Texans eh?

Betcha didn't know that...



Neither Bush is a Texan. The older Bush is a New Englander, as is Dubya.


One doesn't have to be a native to be a Texan dimbulb....



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 05:19 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , (basskisser) wrote:

(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.


Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


And Pete Rose was also a big disgrace to baseball. You would follow his
advice?

Merely spending one's life in something does not an "expert" make....



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 05:22 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message

rthlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession?


One mistake may not erase everything that one knows about their profession
however depending on the magnitude of the mistake it certainly could discredit
one from having any weight as an authority.


:-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered at
least once on the outcome of a game.



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 05:47 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , Harry Krause wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote:

In article , bb

wrote:

On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:35:17 GMT, (Henry Blackmoore)
wrote:

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

So Pete obviously knows something, a lot, about baseball.

You've spent your life in Texas, meaning you know a lot about, uhh,
uhh, nothing.

bb


Funny how FOUR out of the last ten Presidents were Texans eh?

Betcha didn't know that...


Other than Mississippi and Alabama, Texas is the crappiest state in the
Union. All that money, and what does it have? Some of the worst
pollution, crappy schools, lousy health care and drugstore cowboys.


You left the racism card off the docket today Harry. Why is that? You have
always played that one before in regards to the state of Texas. Is that
because of the fact that you own country club (Baltimore Country Club) did
not allow 'Negros' up until the mid-seventies to join?

Pollution? You live by a bay (Chesapeake) that has had a steep decline
in it's water quality and has over 16 million people packed into the bay’s
64,000 square mile watershed and you are going to sling around accusation's
of pollution? Isn't that something like the pot calling the kettle black??

The "dead zone" of your beloved bay has recently been the largest in 20 years
of bay monitoring. You have had numerous fish kills, red tides, and harmful
algal blooms, as well as beach closures.

Fish from your bay have sores on them (Pfiesteria piscicida) from
microorganisms. Fisherman worry about their health from handling these
infected fish.

By any measure the state of your bay is very grim.

Healthcare? The Texas Medical Center located in Houston is world renowned.
There are more than 40 member institutions, including two medical schools,
four schools of nursing, 13 renowned hospitals and two specialty institutions.

Cowboys? That drugstore stuff went out with the Travolta movie- Urban Cowboy.
You would be hard pressed to even find somebody wearing a cowboy hat around
here. I am afraid that you don't know what you are talking about once again
old man. Today's Texans are a very cosmopolitan bunch and very diverse.

Crappy schools? Really? I live in Fort Bend County. The Fort Bend
Independent school system FBISD. FBISD has a focus on student achievement
and development, Fort Bend ISD offers outstanding educational opportunities to
more than 60,000 students. One our district's greatest strengths lies in its
multicultural diversity. Students in FBISD schools represent countries from
around the world, and as many as 82 different languages and dialects are
spoken by students and their families.

In fact, 70% of the district's campuses received an Exemplary or Recognized
rating from the Texas Education Agency in 2002.

Ho-hum I could go on and on. I could also dig up much dirt (I have in the
past) about the inherent racism of government and the like in your neck of the
woods (Maryland) along with much data on pollution, housing problems, crime,
"crappy" schools and the like. What? You think that you live in LaLaLand
up there? You also have a lot of good things up there like everybody else.

Naww, suffice it to say that you are just a very bitter, angry and pathetic
old geezer that is very unhappy with his lot in life. Anything that you
don't like or disagree with is going to be focused on evaluated in a very
bitter negative light by you. So what else is new?

Do us all a favor down here in the wonderful state of Texas okay? Don't
come visit y'hear? Stay away...

:^P






Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 06:16 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession?


One mistake may not erase everything that one knows about their profession
however depending on the magnitude of the mistake it certainly could

discredit
one from having any weight as an authority.


Just one problem: "Magnitude" is 100% subjective, unless you're talking
about a clear case of treason or other serious crime. Usually, it means that
self-righteous zeros have nothing better to do than criticize prominent
people for committing sins which they themselves would commit, given the
opportunity. So, Pete Rose gets nailed to a cross for gambling, while his
fans continue pouring money down the toilet with church bingo games and
lottery tickets. Or, Clinton is assaulted for being human, while Gingrich is
led away quietly before his shady past is uncovered (much).

So, tell me why YOU think Rose's credibility is suspect?



Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 06:19 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


And Pete Rose was also a big disgrace to baseball. You would follow his
advice?

Merely spending one's life in something does not an "expert" make....


Let me get this straight: The day before his gambling issue exploded in the
press, he knew what he was talking about. But the day after, he didn't? If
Carl Sagan had filmed a show for Nova on Tuesday and was found to be banging
a half dozen Cornell coeds on Thursday, his knowledge of astronomy and
physics become worthless when the story hits the newspapers?



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 07:47 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
thlink.net...


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.

Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession?


One mistake may not erase everything that one knows about their profession
however depending on the magnitude of the mistake it certainly could

discredit
one from having any weight as an authority.


Just one problem: "Magnitude" is 100% subjective, unless you're talking
about a clear case of treason or other serious crime. Usually, it means that
self-righteous zeros have nothing better to do than criticize prominent
people for committing sins which they themselves would commit, given the
opportunity. So, Pete Rose gets nailed to a cross for gambling, while his
fans continue pouring money down the toilet with church bingo games and
lottery tickets. Or, Clinton is assaulted for being human, while Gingrich is
led away quietly before his shady past is uncovered (much).

So, tell me why YOU think Rose's credibility is suspect?


The topic or subject matter wasn't Pete Rose.

But since you asked; How isn't a known liar's credibility suspect???

To this day (or up onto recently) Pete has done nothing but deny the
allegations that he gambled on baseball.

Does lying about one's criminal behavior make one credible in your jaded eyes?






Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 07:56 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article c3dhc2g=.38fc23746f54e244dfd89ffee666f757@1078338 804.nulluser.com, "Harry Krause" wrote:


Henry Blackmoore wrote:


One doesn't have to be a native to be a Texan dimbulb....


If that's your explanation for George W. Bush, I'll accept it. He's not
a native-born Texan, but he certainly is a Texan (sic) dimbulb.


It's 'Texan' just like I used it.

LBJ was a Texan too Krud err ahh- Krause. I suppose that you didn't like him
either?

http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/txweb/txwebmain.htm


Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 08:02 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
thlink.net...


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too

funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.

Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever

knew
about your profession?

One mistake may not erase everything that one knows about their

profession
however depending on the magnitude of the mistake it certainly could

discredit
one from having any weight as an authority.


Just one problem: "Magnitude" is 100% subjective, unless you're talking
about a clear case of treason or other serious crime. Usually, it means

that
self-righteous zeros have nothing better to do than criticize prominent
people for committing sins which they themselves would commit, given the
opportunity. So, Pete Rose gets nailed to a cross for gambling, while his
fans continue pouring money down the toilet with church bingo games and
lottery tickets. Or, Clinton is assaulted for being human, while Gingrich

is
led away quietly before his shady past is uncovered (much).

So, tell me why YOU think Rose's credibility is suspect?


The topic or subject matter wasn't Pete Rose.

But since you asked; How isn't a known liar's credibility suspect???

To this day (or up onto recently) Pete has done nothing but deny the
allegations that he gambled on baseball.

Does lying about one's criminal behavior make one credible in your jaded

eyes?

On some subjects, maybe. But I suspect that if you asked him to help a
rookie with a hitting slump, his suggestions would be plenty valid. That's
what this discussion began with, right? Someone's credibility within their
chosen profession? Does his gambling problem negate his previous skills? If
he told a little league kid to get his elbow up when batting, would you
consider his advice to be suspect because of his addiction?



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 08:07 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:



On some subjects, maybe. But I suspect that if you asked him to help a
rookie with a hitting slump, his suggestions would be plenty valid. That's
what this discussion began with, right? Someone's credibility within their
chosen profession? Does his gambling problem negate his previous skills? If
he told a little league kid to get his elbow up when batting, would you
consider his advice to be suspect because of his addiction?


depends on which side that he was betting on... ;^P





Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 08:14 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:



On some subjects, maybe. But I suspect that if you asked him to help a
rookie with a hitting slump, his suggestions would be plenty valid.

That's
what this discussion began with, right? Someone's credibility within

their
chosen profession? Does his gambling problem negate his previous skills?

If
he told a little league kid to get his elbow up when batting, would you
consider his advice to be suspect because of his addiction?


depends on which side that he was betting on... ;^P


Ha. Another lightweight, crushed by the jaws of logic and common sense. :-)
At the door on the way out, you may leave either a sack of gold, or your
first born child as a sacrifice.



basskisser March 3rd 04 08:21 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message

thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?


Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession? :-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered at
least once on the outcome of a game.


OH, NOW I understand! The point was that Pete Rose, although he knows
more than most about the sport, can't possibly be an expert, because
he got caught doing what probably MOST of the other experts (players,
coaches, etc.) do? Thank you for clearing that up!!!! I couldn't for
the life of me figure out what old Henry was getting at ;)

Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 08:24 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message

thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's

spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?

Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever

knew
about your profession? :-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of

avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered

at
least once on the outcome of a game.


OH, NOW I understand! The point was that Pete Rose, although he knows
more than most about the sport, can't possibly be an expert, because
he got caught doing what probably MOST of the other experts (players,
coaches, etc.) do? Thank you for clearing that up!!!! I couldn't for
the life of me figure out what old Henry was getting at ;)


I helped Henry by yanking some mental floss through his head a few times.
Now, he seems to be saying that you might not trust Pete Rose with regard to
certain things. Guessing: Unless you were stupid, you probably wouldn't loan
him money, since he may have a gambling problem. But you still might talk
baseball with him.



John H March 3rd 04 08:59 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:19:07 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?

Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


And Pete Rose was also a big disgrace to baseball. You would follow his
advice?

Merely spending one's life in something does not an "expert" make....


Let me get this straight: The day before his gambling issue exploded in the
press, he knew what he was talking about. But the day after, he didn't? If
Carl Sagan had filmed a show for Nova on Tuesday and was found to be banging
a half dozen Cornell coeds on Thursday, his knowledge of astronomy and
physics become worthless when the story hits the newspapers?

Now I know why I've always liked Carl!


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 09:01 PM

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"John H" wrote in message
...

Let me get this straight: The day before his gambling issue exploded in

the
press, he knew what he was talking about. But the day after, he didn't?

If
Carl Sagan had filmed a show for Nova on Tuesday and was found to be

banging
a half dozen Cornell coeds on Thursday, his knowledge of astronomy and
physics become worthless when the story hits the newspapers?

Now I know why I've always liked Carl!


"...billions and billions of coeds...."



John H March 3rd 04 09:15 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:01:53 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .

Let me get this straight: The day before his gambling issue exploded in

the
press, he knew what he was talking about. But the day after, he didn't?

If
Carl Sagan had filmed a show for Nova on Tuesday and was found to be

banging
a half dozen Cornell coeds on Thursday, his knowledge of astronomy and
physics become worthless when the story hits the newspapers?

Now I know why I've always liked Carl!


"...billions and billions of coeds...."

And that was before V.1.ag.Ray!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

John H March 3rd 04 09:17 PM

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On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:14:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:



On some subjects, maybe. But I suspect that if you asked him to help a
rookie with a hitting slump, his suggestions would be plenty valid.

That's
what this discussion began with, right? Someone's credibility within

their
chosen profession? Does his gambling problem negate his previous skills?

If
he told a little league kid to get his elbow up when batting, would you
consider his advice to be suspect because of his addiction?


depends on which side that he was betting on... ;^P


Ha. Another lightweight, crushed by the jaws of logic and common sense. :-)
At the door on the way out, you may leave either a sack of gold, or your
first born child as a sacrifice.

Personally, Doug, I think you got 'em.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Doug Kanter March 3rd 04 09:20 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 20:14:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:



On some subjects, maybe. But I suspect that if you asked him to help a
rookie with a hitting slump, his suggestions would be plenty valid.

That's
what this discussion began with, right? Someone's credibility within

their
chosen profession? Does his gambling problem negate his previous

skills?
If
he told a little league kid to get his elbow up when batting, would

you
consider his advice to be suspect because of his addiction?

depends on which side that he was betting on... ;^P


Ha. Another lightweight, crushed by the jaws of logic and common sense.

:-)
At the door on the way out, you may leave either a sack of gold, or your
first born child as a sacrifice.

Personally, Doug, I think you got 'em.

John H


Me too. I just hope his first born child is 26, female, and shaped like
Jamie Lee Curtis.



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 10:53 PM

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In article , (basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?

Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.


Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession? :-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered at
least once on the outcome of a game.


OH, NOW I understand! The point was that Pete Rose, although he knows
more than most about the sport, can't possibly be an expert, because
he got caught doing what probably MOST of the other experts (players,

^^ you know this to
be a fact do you?

coaches, etc.) do? Thank you for clearing that up!!!! I couldn't for
the life of me figure out what old Henry was getting at ;)


And you are an expert at ???



Henry Blackmoore March 3rd 04 10:55 PM

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In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's

spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?

Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.

Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever

knew
about your profession? :-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of

avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered

at
least once on the outcome of a game.


OH, NOW I understand! The point was that Pete Rose, although he knows
more than most about the sport, can't possibly be an expert, because
he got caught doing what probably MOST of the other experts (players,
coaches, etc.) do? Thank you for clearing that up!!!! I couldn't for
the life of me figure out what old Henry was getting at ;)


I helped Henry by yanking some mental floss through his head a few times.
Now, he seems to be saying that you might not trust Pete Rose with regard to
certain things. Guessing: Unless you were stupid, you probably wouldn't loan
him money, since he may have a gambling problem. But you still might talk
baseball with him.


This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's
spent his life in bull****...



Doug Kanter March 4th 04 05:53 AM

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"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
link.net...


OH, NOW I understand! The point was that Pete Rose, although he knows
more than most about the sport, can't possibly be an expert, because
he got caught doing what probably MOST of the other experts (players,
coaches, etc.) do? Thank you for clearing that up!!!! I couldn't for
the life of me figure out what old Henry was getting at ;)


I helped Henry by yanking some mental floss through his head a few times.
Now, he seems to be saying that you might not trust Pete Rose with regard

to
certain things. Guessing: Unless you were stupid, you probably wouldn't

loan
him money, since he may have a gambling problem. But you still might talk
baseball with him.


This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's
spent his life in bull****...


Actually, I'm quite adept at helping weak minds dig themselves a hole they
can't get out of. Sometimes I offer a shovel afterward.



basskisser March 4th 04 12:57 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message hlink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's spent
his life in finance.

Pete Rose spent his life in baseball... so?

what's your point?

Hey, you're MAKING my point, and don't even realize it!!!!! Too funny!
I'll break the analogy down for you...just FOR YOU.....
Pete Rose spent his life in baseball, you are correct. Pete Rose,
because he spent his life in baseball, knows an awful lot about the
subject, and could EASILY be called an expert, and correctly so.

Yeah, but don't you know that one mistake erases everything you ever knew
about your profession? :-) And, based on this theory, perhaps 75% of avid
baseball fans know nothing about the sport because they probably wagered at
least once on the outcome of a game.


OH, NOW I understand! The point was that Pete Rose, although he knows
more than most about the sport, can't possibly be an expert, because
he got caught doing what probably MOST of the other experts (players,

^^ you know this to
be a fact do you?


Yes.

coaches, etc.) do? Thank you for clearing that up!!!! I couldn't for
the life of me figure out what old Henry was getting at ;)


And you are an expert at ???


Quite a few things, actually. What is your point?

Henry Blackmoore March 4th 04 04:00 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , (basskisser) wrote:
was getting at ;)

And you are an expert at ???


Quite a few things, actually. What is your point?


you figure it out...



Henry Blackmoore March 4th 04 04:02 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's
spent his life in bull****...


Actually, I'm quite adept at helping weak minds dig themselves a hole they
can't get out of. Sometimes I offer a shovel afterward.

you fancy yourself quite a lot eh?



Doug Kanter March 4th 04 04:16 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...
In article , "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

This guy certainly seems to know what he's talking about. He's
spent his life in bull****...


Actually, I'm quite adept at helping weak minds dig themselves a hole

they
can't get out of. Sometimes I offer a shovel afterward.

you fancy yourself quite a lot eh?



Of course. To do otherwise would be depressing.



Doug Kanter March 4th 04 04:17 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
was getting at ;)

And you are an expert at ???


Quite a few things, actually. What is your point?


you figure it out...



I thought we did that already. Your point is that if someone's behavior
doesn't align with your moral compass, their entire history of expertise is
erased.



Henry Blackmoore March 4th 04 09:21 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
thlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
was getting at ;)

And you are an expert at ???

Quite a few things, actually. What is your point?


you figure it out...



I thought we did that already. Your point is that if someone's behavior
doesn't align with your moral compass, their entire history of expertise is
erased.


No, but it is certainly suspect.

What is your point? That we don't need moral and ethical standards at all?
Or that there shouldn't be punitive measures in place for those that cross
over the line?
Should all Lawyers that have been disbarred be allowed to practice again?
Should all Doctors who have had their licenses revoked be allowed to do the
same?
I simply used Pete Rose in a analogy of sorts and you blew it all out of
proportions and original intent.







Harry Krause March 4th 04 09:34 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
Henry Blackmoore wrote:

In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
rthlink.net...
In article ,

(basskisser) wrote:
was getting at ;)

And you are an expert at ???

Quite a few things, actually. What is your point?

you figure it out...



I thought we did that already. Your point is that if someone's behavior
doesn't align with your moral compass, their entire history of expertise is
erased.


No, but it is certainly suspect.

What is your point? That we don't need moral and ethical standards at all?
Or that there shouldn't be punitive measures in place for those that cross
over the line?


If moral and ethical standards concern you, you cannot be a Bush supporter.

Doug Kanter March 4th 04 09:56 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
hlink.net...

I thought we did that already. Your point is that if someone's behavior
doesn't align with your moral compass, their entire history of expertise

is
erased.


No, but it is certainly suspect.

What is your point? That we don't need moral and ethical standards at

all?
Or that there shouldn't be punitive measures in place for those that cross
over the line?
Should all Lawyers that have been disbarred be allowed to practice again?
Should all Doctors who have had their licenses revoked be allowed to do

the
same?
I simply used Pete Rose in a analogy of sorts and you blew it all out of
proportions and original intent.


I certainly hope you're not involved in the legal profession. You really do
NOT have the mind for such things. Punitive issues are appropriate when
crimes have been committed or professional standards violated. But YOU
suggested that someone's knowledge or expertise are diminished if they
crossed over a certain line, whether that line be moral or legal. That is
absolutely absurd.



John H March 4th 04 11:55 PM

Billionaire Blasts Bush
 
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:34:36 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote:

In article , "Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
arthlink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:
was getting at ;)

And you are an expert at ???

Quite a few things, actually. What is your point?

you figure it out...



I thought we did that already. Your point is that if someone's behavior
doesn't align with your moral compass, their entire history of expertise is
erased.


No, but it is certainly suspect.

What is your point? That we don't need moral and ethical standards at all?
Or that there shouldn't be punitive measures in place for those that cross
over the line?


If moral and ethical standards concern you, you cannot be a Bush supporter.


Spoken by one with only the *highest* of moral and ethical standards!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


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