"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message news:Ucp1c.19769

So totally dishonorable men who lie and cheat their way through life make
great leaders in your humble opinion?

Hmmm interesting...

Well, JFK was a real WW2 hero, and then a great leader, yet as a "man" he
had considerable shortcomings. And in the end he gave his life in service of
this country, who am I to trash him?

I judge a leader by how well he executes his job as shepard of the people he
is supposed to be leading. In that regard, MLK did an outstanding job for
his constituancy, and as a result our entire country. He can sort out any
moral issues he had with God. I'd hire him again in a minute to lead, I
wouldn't hire him to ghost write for me, and I wouldn't marry him. See the
difference??

Both of these leaders practiced thier religion and well knew "the rules" of
life. If God has issues with them regarding honesty and promiscuity, so be
it. It's not for me to judge how they delt with the temptations that go with
"life at the top".

(Let me use another good and personal example. As a New Englander when I
was young, I got to see and meet a young musician named Steven Tyler. I
immediatly saw in him that "something", that "spark" that makes the
difference between "good" and "legend". One of those very rare people that
just personifies the "muse" in music. When he got to "the top", the
temptations of life at the top almost killed him. In 1982 I got to thinking
how the world really couldn't afford to lose another musical genius so soon
after Lennon, but ol' Steven was damn_near_dead, I saw it close up and
personal. Well, we all know that he rediscovered his spirituality, saved
himself, gave up all the drugs and alcohol that were killing him and muting
the muse, and as a net result he and his little band will go down as the
most successfull American band in history. And the good he has done in
getting "the message" out to young people about substance abuse is
immeasurable. Not to mention all the good work generating food for the
homeless that they have done. (If you donate 100 cans to a homeless
shelter - they *make* time to meet you, shake your hand, and thank you
personally.)

Are any of these "great *men*" I don't judge men. But I do know that they
are all national treasures in thier own fields. They added something to the
American tapestry than no_one_else could have added. Despite faults and
temptations, people like this become giants in thier chosen fields, be it
politics, civil rights, or the joy of music. It's not for me to judge them,
it's only for me to pray for these people and thank God for the gifts they
bring to others in the short time they are here.

Don't tell me about these peoples faults and weaknesses, we all have faults.
I'm very thankfull for what legacy they leave behind.


-W

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 00:37:29 GMT, "Clams Canino"
wrote:


"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message news:Ucp1c.19769

So totally dishonorable men who lie and cheat their way through life make
great leaders in your humble opinion?

Hmmm interesting...

Well, JFK was a real WW2 hero, and then a great leader, yet as a "man" he
had considerable shortcomings. And in the end he gave his life in service of
this country, who am I to trash him?

I judge a leader by how well he executes his job as shepard of the people he
is supposed to be leading. In that regard, MLK did an outstanding job for
his constituancy, and as a result our entire country. He can sort out any
moral issues he had with God. I'd hire him again in a minute to lead, I
wouldn't hire him to ghost write for me, and I wouldn't marry him. See the
difference??

Both of these leaders practiced thier religion and well knew "the rules" of
life. If God has issues with them regarding honesty and promiscuity, so be
it. It's not for me to judge how they delt with the temptations that go with
"life at the top".

(Let me use another good and personal example. As a New Englander when I
was young, I got to see and meet a young musician named Steven Tyler. I
immediatly saw in him that "something", that "spark" that makes the
difference between "good" and "legend". One of those very rare people that
just personifies the "muse" in music. When he got to "the top", the
temptations of life at the top almost killed him. In 1982 I got to thinking
how the world really couldn't afford to lose another musical genius so soon
after Lennon, but ol' Steven was damn_near_dead, I saw it close up and
personal. Well, we all know that he rediscovered his spirituality, saved
himself, gave up all the drugs and alcohol that were killing him and muting
the muse, and as a net result he and his little band will go down as the
most successfull American band in history. And the good he has done in
getting "the message" out to young people about substance abuse is
immeasurable. Not to mention all the good work generating food for the
homeless that they have done. (If you donate 100 cans to a homeless
shelter - they *make* time to meet you, shake your hand, and thank you
personally.)

Are any of these "great *men*" I don't judge men. But I do know that they
are all national treasures in thier own fields. They added something to the
American tapestry than no_one_else could have added. Despite faults and
temptations, people like this become giants in thier chosen fields, be it
politics, civil rights, or the joy of music. It's not for me to judge them,
it's only for me to pray for these people and thank God for the gifts they
bring to others in the short time they are here.

Don't tell me about these peoples faults and weaknesses, we all have faults.
I'm very thankfull for what legacy they leave behind.


-W


Wow, Clams! That was very nicely written.

Thank you.


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Clams Canino wrote:
Well, JFK was a real WW2 hero, and then a great leader, yet as a "man" he
had considerable shortcomings. And in the end he gave his life in service of
this country, who am I to trash him?

One of the issues I have with so many of the self-designated
"conservatives" around here is that they trash-mouth a lot of people who
have made great sacrifices for their country. Even if one doesn't think
much of JFK, he *did* stand behind his beliefs, fought for the good of
the whole country, and that deserves some respect.

As for exaggerating Dr. Martin Luther King's plagiarism, I guess that is
for those who think J.Edgar Hoover was a better American than MLK. In
the end, bigotry and racism is what it comes down to. Is that a
"conservative" principle?


Don't tell me about these peoples faults and weaknesses, we all have faults.
I'm very thankfull for what legacy they leave behind.

Well said.

Regards
Doug King

In article , DSK wrote:

Clams Canino wrote:
Well, JFK was a real WW2 hero, and then a great leader, yet as a "man" he
had considerable shortcomings. And in the end he gave his life in service of
this country, who am I to trash him?

One of the issues I have with so many of the self-designated
"conservatives" around here is that they trash-mouth a lot of people who
have made great sacrifices for their country. Even if one doesn't think
much of JFK, he *did* stand behind his beliefs, fought for the good of
the whole country, and that deserves some respect.

As for exaggerating Dr. Martin Luther King's plagiarism,

Exaggerate? Hardly. I barely scratched the surface. Perhaps you are not
aware of the extent of the good Doctor's cheating? You are welcome to
study it in your own time at your leisure.

I guess that is
for those who think J.Edgar Hoover was a better American than MLK. In
the end, bigotry and racism is what it comes down to.

I never said anything about J. Edgar Hoover. And here we go with the race
card thingie. Why is it that the race card has to always be played when
it comes to any criticism of somebody of color? I would feel the same
way about a Anglo Dr. Martin Luther King.

Is that a
"conservative" principle?

I don't know. Since you know so much. Tell us yourself.


Don't tell me about these peoples faults and weaknesses, we all have faults.
I'm very thankfull for what legacy they leave behind.

We all have faults granted. But not all of us are prostitute-loving,
womanizing, women-beating communists that cheat our way through college
now are we?

Well said.

Thank-you

Regards
Doug King

--
Pete Rose for President

Henry Blackmoore wrote:
I never said anything about J. Edgar Hoover.

Of course not. You aren't smart enough to make the connection.

... And here we go with the race
card thingie. Why is it that the race card has to always be played when
it comes to any criticism of somebody of color?

Why is that bigots & racists always complain about "playing the race
card" when somebody points out that they are bigoted & racist?


We all have faults granted.

And you have far more than most.

DSK

DSK wrote:

Why is that bigots & racists always complain about "playing the race
card" when somebody points out that they are bigoted & racist?


You're black, aren't you?

Wonder how I know? You play the race card. That makes you a racist.

-- Charlie

In article , DSK wrote:

Henry Blackmoore wrote:
I never said anything about J. Edgar Hoover.

Of course not. You aren't smart enough to make the connection.

... And here we go with the race
card thingie. Why is it that the race card has to always be played when
it comes to any criticism of somebody of color?

Why is that bigots & racists always complain about "playing the race
card" when somebody points out that they are bigoted & racist?


We all have faults granted.

And you have far more than most.

And you are no doubt perfect eh?


DSK

Perhaps, but you skipped right over the post with the meat and went for the
easier pickings. That says something about your character.

MLK did enough good, that I'd rent him a hooker if he asked me.

-W



"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message news:koN1c.21614

I never said anything about J. Edgar Hoover. And here we go with the race
card thingie. Why is it that the race card has to always be played when
it comes to any criticism of somebody of color? I would feel the same
way about a Anglo Dr. Martin Luther King.

In article wyQ1c.116691$4o.151121@attbi_s52, "Clams Canino" wrote:

Perhaps, but you skipped right over the post with the meat and went for the
easier pickings. That says something about your character.

MLK did enough good, that I'd rent him a hooker if he asked me.

And that says something about your character and that isn't saying much...


-W



"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message news:koN1c.21614

I never said anything about J. Edgar Hoover. And here we go with the race
card thingie. Why is it that the race card has to always be played when
it comes to any criticism of somebody of color? I would feel the same
way about a Anglo Dr. Martin Luther King.

(Henry Blackmoore) wrote in message hlink.net...
In article wyQ1c.116691$4o.151121@attbi_s52, "Clams Canino" wrote:

Perhaps, but you skipped right over the post with the meat and went for the
easier pickings. That says something about your character.

MLK did enough good, that I'd rent him a hooker if he asked me.

And that says something about your character and that isn't saying much...

At least he has enough character to not make wild allegations about
people without some factual material to back it up. And that is a lot
more than can be said about you.