Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130 tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

"Jim" wrote in message
...
The pilots orders are in the form of coordinates. Fortunately for him
(her?) he has no idea what he is bombing. I suspect that most of the
decisions aren't even made on the battlefield. Targets most likely come
from the Pentagon.

HOWEVER

Can you cite any attempt to shield civilians from attack? i.e., DO NOT
bomb here -- it's a hospital, or such.

John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:21:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


John H wrote:


On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:26:51 -0500, Jim wrote:


In 1946, the Nuremberg Tribunal concluded: "To initiate a war of
aggression is not only an international crime; it is the supreme
international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it
contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Nuremberg also taught us that "just following orders" is not an excuse
for what the winning side declares to be war crimes. So while the
Germans couldn't get off the hook, neither can the Iraqis, who have
been
told from the beginning of the invasion that if they DID follow their
leaders' orders, they would be tried for war crimes. And yet, the
sensitive American soldier who is told to drop bombs on undefended
Iraqi
villages -- well, he must do what he is told to do and there's no
wiggle
room. He is ruled by people with divine rights; the power that comes

from holding one hand on a bible and keeping the other outstretched to

the oil oligarchy.

What is the wing opening in the sky? What is darkening the clouds?
When
does it descend in all its ominous power?
"The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate
intensity." (Yeats)

Can you provide an instance where an American soldier was told that he
was to drop bombs on an undefended village and then proceeded to do
so?

I thought not. Now, what is the rest of your post worth?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


We've dropped plenty of bombs on plenty of villages in Iraq, and, by the
standards of modern warfare, these villages were either undefended
entirely, or were "defended" by a small rabble of irregulars whose
actions were small-scale and had nothing to do with the village, but,
rather, with saving their own skins. There are counts kept of the
non-combatant Iraqi civilians we have killed. The numbers are in the
thousands.

You think playing your "literalist" games gives you an argument? It only
makes you the bigger fool.

Is this what they taught you in the military? Amorality?


Read the question, Harry. "Can you provide an instance where an
American soldier was told that he was to drop bombs on an undefended
village and then proceeded to do so?"

If you can't answer the question, go play mosquito somewhere else.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 04:50:37 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130 tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

"Jim" wrote in message
...
The pilots orders are in the form of coordinates. Fortunately for him
(her?) he has no idea what he is bombing. I suspect that most of the
decisions aren't even made on the battlefield. Targets most likely come
from the Pentagon.

HOWEVER

Can you cite any attempt to shield civilians from attack? i.e., DO NOT
bomb here -- it's a hospital, or such.

John H wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:21:25 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


John H wrote:


On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:26:51 -0500, Jim wrote:


In 1946, the Nuremberg Tribunal concluded: "To initiate a war of
aggression is not only an international crime; it is the supreme
international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it
contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Nuremberg also taught us that "just following orders" is not an excuse
for what the winning side declares to be war crimes. So while the
Germans couldn't get off the hook, neither can the Iraqis, who have
been
told from the beginning of the invasion that if they DID follow their
leaders' orders, they would be tried for war crimes. And yet, the
sensitive American soldier who is told to drop bombs on undefended
Iraqi
villages -- well, he must do what he is told to do and there's no
wiggle
room. He is ruled by people with divine rights; the power that comes

from holding one hand on a bible and keeping the other outstretched to

the oil oligarchy.

What is the wing opening in the sky? What is darkening the clouds?
When
does it descend in all its ominous power?
"The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate
intensity." (Yeats)

Can you provide an instance where an American soldier was told that he
was to drop bombs on an undefended village and then proceeded to do
so?

I thought not. Now, what is the rest of your post worth?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


We've dropped plenty of bombs on plenty of villages in Iraq, and, by the
standards of modern warfare, these villages were either undefended
entirely, or were "defended" by a small rabble of irregulars whose
actions were small-scale and had nothing to do with the village, but,
rather, with saving their own skins. There are counts kept of the
non-combatant Iraqi civilians we have killed. The numbers are in the
thousands.

You think playing your "literalist" games gives you an argument? It only
makes you the bigger fool.

Is this what they taught you in the military? Amorality?


Read the question, Harry. "Can you provide an instance where an
American soldier was told that he was to drop bombs on an undefended
village and then proceeded to do so?"

If you can't answer the question, go play mosquito somewhere else.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!



They will simply say you fabricated it anyway. Some folks have their
heads so far up their anal orifices that no amount of light will
penetrate.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130 tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

On 1 Mar 2004 05:30:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130 tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

It's all over the web. Just do a google search on "ac-130 gunship
video"

Steve

Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 1 Mar 2004 05:30:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130 tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

It's all over the web. Just do a google search on "ac-130 gunship
video"

Steve

Where are the videos kept of the civilian targets hit by "accident"? Do
the AF flacks release those, too?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 1 Mar 2004 05:30:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130
tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or
rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would
post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

It's all over the web. Just do a google search on "ac-130 gunship
video"

Steve

Where are the videos kept of the civilian targets hit by "accident"? Do
the AF flacks release those, too?

In the Middle East, there are terrorists, soon-to-be terrorists, mother's of
terrorists, and mothers of soon-to-be terrorists. Who exactly are the
civilians?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 1 Mar 2004 05:30:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130
tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or
rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would
post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

It's all over the web. Just do a google search on "ac-130 gunship
video"

Steve

Where are the videos kept of the civilian targets hit by "accident"? Do
the AF flacks release those, too?

No civilian targets hit by accident. The local terrorists pick those
civilian targets with care. IF we opened up our rules of engagement, there
would be very few attacks on convoys. The rule would be that if you are
with rifle shot, you will be shot. But we seem to care for the local
people, same as we did in WW II.
Bill

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 1 Mar 2004 05:30:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130
tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or
rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would
post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

It's all over the web. Just do a google search on "ac-130 gunship
video"

Steve

Where are the videos kept of the civilian targets hit by "accident"? Do
the AF flacks release those, too?

If we have another 9/11 type attack under your mans presidency, you going to
play Vietnamese Monk and martyr yourself? Must be your fault if we do as
you spin that it is all Bush's fault.

Calif Bill wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Steven Shelikoff wrote:

On 1 Mar 2004 05:30:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Actually they give them descriptions also. I have a copy of an AC130
tape
and they tell them make sure they do not hit the square (or
rectangle - one
of the 2) building it is a mosque. So they are also careful. I would
post
it, but at about 2mb is way too big.
Bill

Oh, please do. I'd LOVE to hear it.

It's all over the web. Just do a google search on "ac-130 gunship
video"

Steve

Where are the videos kept of the civilian targets hit by "accident"? Do
the AF flacks release those, too?

If we have another 9/11 type attack under your mans presidency, you going to
play Vietnamese Monk and martyr yourself? Must be your fault if we do as
you spin that it is all Bush's fault.




And that has exactly what to do with our "accidental" killing of
non-combatants in Iraq?

As to the original 9-11 attacks, yes, I believe the Bush Administration
screwed the pooch on that, mainly because of Bush's decision to
"uninvolve" the US in Middle East peace talks and because of Bush
senior's "despoiling" (in the minds of the terrorists) some Moslem
terrority in Saudi Arabia.

Will there be more attacks? You bet. Nothing Bush has done to date has
made us safer. Today I watched for a half hour while waiting for a
meeting as Capitol Hill cops stopped car motorists at random for car
checks, while white vans and Winnebagos drove by unmolested. This was
between several congressional buildings. D'oh.

Harry Krause wrote:

Where are the videos kept of the civilian targets hit by "accident"? Do
the AF flacks release those, too?

Have you deleted from google the post you made after 9-11 where you
advocated carpet bombing Afghanistan? Seems you cared not a wit who was killed.

Oh, right, your morality (or lack of it) is politically driven by the
highest bidder.

-- Charlie