John H wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:43:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

MASS LAYOFFS IN JANUARY 2004


In January 2004, there were 2,428 mass layoff actions by employers, as
measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits during the
month, according to data from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of
Labor Statistics. Each action involved at least 50 persons from a
single establishment, and the number of workers involved totaled 239,454.


This marked the most events for a January and the third highest
January level of mass-layoff initial claims since the series began.
Both the number of layoff events and initial claims were higher than a
year ago. January 2004 marked only the third time in the last two years
that initial claims had increased over the year.

American people with the bill."

Of course, Kerry has the problem solved, according to today's
Washington Post:

snipped

"Kerry's speech, however, underscored the challenge for Democrats on
the issue. The only new proposal he offered would do nothing to stop
companies from moving jobs overseas, but would give government and
workers more advance notification.

Kerry said he would require companies to give three months' notice
before moving jobs abroad; the notice would go to workers and
government agencies tasked with offering laid-off employees assistance
and training. He said he would also require the Labor Department to
gather statistics on the number of jobs that have gone abroad, by
company, and to report them to Congress on an annual basis.

The Kerry campaign estimated that about 1 million jobs have moved
overseas since President Bush took office. Gene Sperling, a top
economic adviser in the Clinton White House, who briefed reporters,
acknowledged that the steps Kerry proposed Wednesday would not, by
themselves, do much to change the behavior of such companies. "

snipped

Wow, three months notice and gathering statistics. That ought to solve
all our job problems. What a joke!


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Kerry has announced a number of plans to help stop the flood of jobs
heading overseas. Your reference is to today's speech (or perhaps
yesterday's), in which he only announced one idea he didn't previously
discuss.

If this is an example of a military man's ability to research and
abstract, it's no wonder we lost in Korea and Vietnam, and are reduced
to fighting the crappy little armies of third-rate dictators these days.
It takes smart people to win a real war, which may explain why our win
record since WW II has been mediocre.

Or are you just trying to be disingenuous?

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:23:46 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

John H wrote:

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:43:18 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

MASS LAYOFFS IN JANUARY 2004


In January 2004, there were 2,428 mass layoff actions by employers, as
measured by new filings for unemployment insurance benefits during the
month, according to data from the U.S. Department of Labor's Bureau of
Labor Statistics. Each action involved at least 50 persons from a
single establishment, and the number of workers involved totaled 239,454.


This marked the most events for a January and the third highest
January level of mass-layoff initial claims since the series began.
Both the number of layoff events and initial claims were higher than a
year ago. January 2004 marked only the third time in the last two years
that initial claims had increased over the year.

American people with the bill."

Of course, Kerry has the problem solved, according to today's
Washington Post:

snipped

"Kerry's speech, however, underscored the challenge for Democrats on
the issue. The only new proposal he offered would do nothing to stop
companies from moving jobs overseas, but would give government and
workers more advance notification.

Kerry said he would require companies to give three months' notice
before moving jobs abroad; the notice would go to workers and
government agencies tasked with offering laid-off employees assistance
and training. He said he would also require the Labor Department to
gather statistics on the number of jobs that have gone abroad, by
company, and to report them to Congress on an annual basis.

The Kerry campaign estimated that about 1 million jobs have moved
overseas since President Bush took office. Gene Sperling, a top
economic adviser in the Clinton White House, who briefed reporters,
acknowledged that the steps Kerry proposed Wednesday would not, by
themselves, do much to change the behavior of such companies. "

snipped

Wow, three months notice and gathering statistics. That ought to solve
all our job problems. What a joke!


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Kerry has announced a number of plans to help stop the flood of jobs
heading overseas. Your reference is to today's speech (or perhaps
yesterday's), in which he only announced one idea he didn't previously
discuss.

If this is an example of a military man's ability to research and
abstract, it's no wonder we lost in Korea and Vietnam, and are reduced
to fighting the crappy little armies of third-rate dictators these days.
It takes smart people to win a real war, which may explain why our win
record since WW II has been mediocre.

Or are you just trying to be disingenuous?


Oh, I just pasted what appeared to be the best of his proposals.
Others were mentioned in the article. Here's another selection:

"Sperling noted that there is not a "silver bullet" when it comes to
outsourcing. But he said Kerry has made other proposals, including a
manufacturing tax credit, a health care plan that he said would cut
corporate costs and an energy plan that would lower production costs
for U.S. companies and make it more attractive for them to keep their
plants in this country."

A manufacturing tax credit sure sounds like a tax cut for the wealthy
corporations. If health care costs were reduced by 95%, corporations
would still save money by outsourcing. Notice how specific Kerry is
about the 'energy savings' he will provide. Yeah, right!

I suppose there *are* people who believe this. I sure hope you aren't
one of them, Harry.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Kerry has announced a number of plans

Oh yeah? Then name *one*.

Come on , Harry, name just *one* little plan Kerry has laid forth to stem
the flow of manufacturing jobs.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:13:37 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c1m2mm$1i79b5$1@ID-

Kerry has announced a number of plans

Oh yeah? Then name *one*.

Come on , Harry, name just *one* little plan Kerry has laid forth to stem
the flow of manufacturing jobs.

Geez guy, this is the internet, read for yourself:

http://www.johnkerry.com/

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:13:37 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c1m2mm$1i79b5$1@ID-

Kerry has announced a number of plans

Oh yeah? Then name *one*.

Come on , Harry, name just *one* little plan Kerry has laid forth to
stem
the flow of manufacturing jobs.

Geez guy, this is the internet, read for yourself:

http://www.johnkerry.com/

Thanks for the link. I saw where Kerry blamed Bush for the loss of
manufacturing jobs...but there is no detailed plan on how Kerry would deal
with the issue. Go ahead and look for yourself. See if you can post one
Kerry plan for stopping the loss of manufacturing jobs overseas.

"NOYB" wrote in message
om...

"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 01:13:37 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c1m2mm$1i79b5$1@ID-

Kerry has announced a number of plans

Oh yeah? Then name *one*.

Come on , Harry, name just *one* little plan Kerry has laid forth to
stem
the flow of manufacturing jobs.

Geez guy, this is the internet, read for yourself:

http://www.johnkerry.com/

Thanks for the link. I saw where Kerry blamed Bush for the loss of
manufacturing jobs...but there is no detailed plan on how Kerry would
deal
with the issue. Go ahead and look for yourself. See if you can post
one
Kerry plan for stopping the loss of manufacturing jobs overseas.



He has no room to talk about divisiveness either ......from his web site

"As president, I will put American government and our legal system back
on the side of women."

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:26:26 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Thanks for the link. I saw where Kerry blamed Bush for the loss of
manufacturing jobs...but there is no detailed plan on how Kerry would deal
with the issue. Go ahead and look for yourself. See if you can post one
Kerry plan for stopping the loss of manufacturing jobs overseas.

To me, issues and campaign promises aren't very important in a President.
I look for two qualities, honor and competence, then, if both candidates
have those qualities, I'll look at the issues. Unfortunately, I rarely
get to the issues. I'm still judging Kerry, but have more than enough
information to judge Bush incompetent.

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 12:26:26 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Thanks for the link. I saw where Kerry blamed Bush for the loss of
manufacturing jobs...but there is no detailed plan on how Kerry would
deal
with the issue. Go ahead and look for yourself. See if you can post
one
Kerry plan for stopping the loss of manufacturing jobs overseas.

To me, issues and campaign promises aren't very important in a President.
I look for two qualities, honor and competence, then, if both candidates
have those qualities, I'll look at the issues. Unfortunately, I rarely
get to the issues. I'm still judging Kerry, but have more than enough
information to judge Bush incompetent.



Well, if Kerry doesn't have a plan to stop the export of manufacturing jobs,
then it's hypocritical for him to blame Bush for the exact same
short-coming.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:00:44 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Well, if Kerry doesn't have a plan to stop the export of manufacturing jobs,
then it's hypocritical for him to blame Bush for the exact same
short-coming.

I didn't say he didn't have a plan, I just don't spend to much time on
campaign promises. They rarely amount to much. Some are just BS. Some
never make it past congress. For instance, GWB has fulfilled less than
half of his 2000 campaign promises:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7729783.htm

thunder wrote:

To me, issues and campaign promises aren't very important in a President.
I look for two qualities, honor and competence, then, if both candidates
have those qualities, I'll look at the issues.

Yea, ok.

When you find honor in *any* politician, let us know.

-- Charlie