BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits
for future Social Security retirees. Without action, he warned,
long-term interest rates would rise, seriously harming the economy.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

Greenspan urging Congress is NOT the same as a CUT of SS Benefits.
basskisser gets added to my Blocked Senders List.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits
for future Social Security retirees. Without action, he warned,
long-term interest rates would rise, seriously harming the economy.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lw5%b.4051$Zp.622@fed1read07...
Greenspan urging Congress is NOT the same as a CUT of SS Benefits.
basskisser gets added to my Blocked Senders List.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits
for future Social Security retirees.

What does Bush have to do with this basskisser? Can't you read the very
first sentence of the story you posted?

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

In article , (basskisser) wrote:

Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

ahh where have you been? Our Social Security benefits have been used
for all sorts of things including deficit payments over the years because
it has always been sort of a general slush fund for unrelated spending
and not a dedicated accounting system for the individual taxpayers.

All attempts to transform the slush fund by Republicans in recent past
have been met with cries of "The sky is falling" by the various Democrat
Chicken Little's who induce paranoia amongst the largely lgnorant
general public and seniors in particular.

The Unites States House of Representatives passed legislation called the
"Social Security Lock Box" to protect the Social Security Trust Fund
permanently. I understand that this effort has been stalled in the Senate
by Chicken Little Democrats.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

All attempts to transform the slush fund by Republicans in recent past
have been met with cries of "The sky is falling" by the various Democrat
Chicken Little's who induce paranoia amongst the largely lgnorant
general public and seniors in particular.

Just listen to yourself....Republicans "transforming" Social
security...

Do you think it's Republicans who protect the interest of the average
guy? or is it Republicans who want to "transform" Social Security to
use the money the way they see fit? ie: using our Social Security
money to pay off Bushs' spending spree...

It is ALWAYS the Democrats who stand to represent the average guy,
while the Republicans ALWAYS back whats good for corporations and big
business tax breaks, just like the current bufoon in the white house
does currently. Face reality. If you really think it's republicans
that protect the interest of the little guy, you've probably been
dropped on your head at one or more points in your life.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"jchaplain" wrote in message
...

All attempts to transform the slush fund by Republicans in recent past
have been met with cries of "The sky is falling" by the various Democrat
Chicken Little's who induce paranoia amongst the largely lgnorant
general public and seniors in particular.

Just listen to yourself....Republicans "transforming" Social
security...

Do you think it's Republicans who protect the interest of the average
guy? or is it Republicans who want to "transform" Social Security to
use the money the way they see fit? ie: using our Social Security
money to pay off Bushs' spending spree...

It is ALWAYS the Democrats who stand to represent the average guy,
while the Republicans ALWAYS back whats good for corporations and big
business tax breaks, just like the current bufoon in the white house
does currently. Face reality. If you really think it's republicans
that protect the interest of the little guy, you've probably been
dropped on your head at one or more points in your life.

Neither party is innocent of using SS as a slush fund! The Dem's in power
now are blocking the SS Lockbox act.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

Neither party is innocent of using SS as a slush fund! The Dem's in power
now are blocking the SS Lockbox act.

Thats the problem with republicans, they never look deeper into
issues.
Care to explain what the 'lockbox" act does? Obviously you don't have
a clue.
You might think it locks the SS funds away to be used only by
SS...wrong! Thats what the Republicans would like you to think, so
they put a name on it called 'lockbox' so that the uninformed would
think it was about locking money away for SS use only.....
What it really would do is lock the funds proceeds into being used to
pay down the national debt, which is why the republicans want it and
the democrats do not.
IF it locked the funds to be used only for Social Security, the
Democrats would be all behind it, because the Democrats are FOR the
little guy, not for paying down Bushs debt so he stands a chance at
getting elected again.
If that's to hard for you republicans to understand, please read this
post again SLOWLY....

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"jchaplain" wrote in message
...

Neither party is innocent of using SS as a slush fund! The Dem's in
power
now are blocking the SS Lockbox act.

Thats the problem with republicans, they never look deeper into
issues.
Care to explain what the 'lockbox" act does? Obviously you don't have
a clue.
You might think it locks the SS funds away to be used only by
SS...wrong! Thats what the Republicans would like you to think, so
they put a name on it called 'lockbox' so that the uninformed would
think it was about locking money away for SS use only.....
What it really would do is lock the funds proceeds into being used to
pay down the national debt, which is why the republicans want it and
the democrats do not.
IF it locked the funds to be used only for Social Security, the
Democrats would be all behind it, because the Democrats are FOR the
little guy, not for paying down Bushs debt so he stands a chance at
getting elected again.
If that's to hard for you republicans to understand, please read this
post again SLOWLY....

I would rather see it paying down the National debt than the use that is has
been put too for the last 40 years!!! Clinton's touting of a balanced
budget included the SS taxes. Put it in the "Lockbox" and it will not be
part of the spending every year for general budget items. And as a fiscally
conservative Democrat, I despise the candidates for both parties. In the
last election, I voted for Bush as AGore is one of the stupidest people ever
to run for high office. Clinton was almost as crooked as LBJ, and that
takes some doing. Kerry is a Fiscal Liberal, as well as a social Liberal.
I care less about most social restrictions, but I do not want to pay for
your play!!!!!! The Gay Wedding scene. My biggest complaint is the local
judge who did not uphold the law. The judge should have upheld the law and
the plaintiff's could then appeal to higher courts. To many activist judges
making law. Is not their place. They are not the Legislative Branch!
Also, the term marriage seems to be chosen to **** off the most people. We
allow civil unions. A contract, just like marriage is a contract between
two people. As to the next election. Look at the Democrat party's
candidates. Way too much power from the DNC as to who gets to play. Where
is a Truman when we need him.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

I would rather see it paying down the National debt than the use that is has
been put too for the last 40 years!!! Clinton's touting of a balanced
budget included the SS taxes. Put it in the "Lockbox" and it will not be
part of the spending every year for general budget items. And as a fiscally
conservative Democrat, I despise the candidates for both parties. In the
last election, I voted for Bush as AGore is one of the stupidest people ever
to run for high office. Clinton was almost as crooked as LBJ, and that
takes some doing. Kerry is a Fiscal Liberal, as well as a social Liberal.
I care less about most social restrictions, but I do not want to pay for
your play!!!!!! The Gay Wedding scene. My biggest complaint is the local
judge who did not uphold the law. The judge should have upheld the law and
the plaintiff's could then appeal to higher courts. To many activist judges
making law. Is not their place. They are not the Legislative Branch!
Also, the term marriage seems to be chosen to **** off the most people. We
allow civil unions. A contract, just like marriage is a contract between
two people. As to the next election. Look at the Democrat party's
candidates. Way too much power from the DNC as to who gets to play. Where
is a Truman when we need him.

Pretzel logic...then rambling.....

1) So, you admit that it is not a 'lockbox' that locks away ss money
safely....so then don't you think there might be something to the
democrats reasoning why this is another republican sham???

2) Gore stupider than Bush?....puleeezzz...what oblivious planet are
you on? The entire world would disagree with you on that.

3) Now we're talking about gay marriages? Ok, support it or not, have
any idea how much fighting gay marriages is going to cost this country
in legal fees? How much it has already cost? Now doofus wants to have
a consitutional ban on it..that will cost millions, perhaps billions
by the time you add up the court time, time house and congress would
spend on it, time all the lawyers would be paid for, probably only to
fail anyway, so a total waste. Religious right phobia is going to cost
us all plenty.

4) Activist judges....the term you hear from the redneck right
whenever civil rights are upheld. If the court banned abortion, made
homosexuality a crime, made sex outside of marriage illegal, made
teaching evolution illegal, and chose a republican for president
they're not called activist judges then. They're then upholding the
type of values the conservatives inthis country are looking for, very
similar to the values the conservative religious Taliban fanatics want
to impose on the Afganistan population.

Amazing how conservatives are always so eager to wave the american
flag, a symbol of freedom and equality, then spit on any of their
fellow americans if they are different from them.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net...
"jchaplain" wrote in message
...

Neither party is innocent of using SS as a slush fund! The Dem's in
power
now are blocking the SS Lockbox act.

Thats the problem with republicans, they never look deeper into
issues.
Care to explain what the 'lockbox" act does? Obviously you don't have
a clue.
You might think it locks the SS funds away to be used only by
SS...wrong! Thats what the Republicans would like you to think, so
they put a name on it called 'lockbox' so that the uninformed would
think it was about locking money away for SS use only.....
What it really would do is lock the funds proceeds into being used to
pay down the national debt, which is why the republicans want it and
the democrats do not.
IF it locked the funds to be used only for Social Security, the
Democrats would be all behind it, because the Democrats are FOR the
little guy, not for paying down Bushs debt so he stands a chance at
getting elected again.
If that's to hard for you republicans to understand, please read this
post again SLOWLY....

I would rather see it paying down the National debt than the use that is has
been put too for the last 40 years!!! Clinton's touting of a balanced
budget included the SS taxes. Put it in the "Lockbox" and it will not be
part of the spending every year for general budget items. And as a fiscally
conservative Democrat, I despise the candidates for both parties. In the
last election, I voted for Bush as AGore is one of the stupidest people ever
to run for high office. Clinton was almost as crooked as LBJ, and that
takes some doing. Kerry is a Fiscal Liberal, as well as a social Liberal.
I care less about most social restrictions, but I do not want to pay for
your play!!!!!! The Gay Wedding scene. My biggest complaint is the local
judge who did not uphold the law. The judge should have upheld the law and
the plaintiff's could then appeal to higher courts. To many activist judges
making law. Is not their place. They are not the Legislative Branch!
Also, the term marriage seems to be chosen to **** off the most people. We
allow civil unions. A contract, just like marriage is a contract between
two people. As to the next election. Look at the Democrat party's
candidates. Way too much power from the DNC as to who gets to play. Where
is a Truman when we need him.

Hehe!! You call Gore stupid? Compared to WHAT? PLEASE don't say Bush,
I may laugh too hard to type!!! As for SS paying down the national
debt, I'd have liked to have seen Bush KEEP the debt balanced, as
Clinton did, then we'd have OUR money.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"Jim--" wrote in message ...
"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lw5%b.4051$Zp.622@fed1read07...
Greenspan urging Congress is NOT the same as a CUT of SS Benefits.
basskisser gets added to my Blocked Senders List.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits
for future Social Security retirees.

What does Bush have to do with this basskisser? Can't you read the very
first sentence of the story you posted?


Hmm, did you ever stop to think WHO is the commander in chief? Did you
ever stop to think that Greenspan, in his role as Federal Reserve
Chairman answers to Bush, ultimately?

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"William G. Andersen" wrote in message news:lw5%b.4051$Zp.622@fed1read07...
Greenspan urging Congress is NOT the same as a CUT of SS Benefits.
basskisser gets added to my Blocked Senders List.

Awe....no I feel bad. I take it, though, that you didn't get the
point. Sorry, it's impossible to make it any simpler to understand.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Jim--" wrote in message
...
"William G. Andersen" wrote in message
news:lw5%b.4051$Zp.622@fed1read07...
Greenspan urging Congress is NOT the same as a CUT of SS Benefits.
basskisser gets added to my Blocked Senders List.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance
of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he
didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off
some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday
to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting
benefits
for future Social Security retirees.

What does Bush have to do with this basskisser? Can't you read the very
first sentence of the story you posted?


Hmm, did you ever stop to think WHO is the commander in chief? Did you
ever stop to think that Greenspan, in his role as Federal Reserve
Chairman answers to Bush, ultimately?

Give me a friggin break. What does Greenspan have to do with Bush being
Commander in Chief??????

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

The whole premise of your post is total bull****, which of course is
no surprise being the political whore you are. Anyone who would
address it further than that is just as stupid as you...

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

On 26 Feb 2004 05:50:49 -0800, (Backyard
Renegade) wrote:

The whole premise of your post is total bull****, which of course is
no surprise being the political whore you are.

You express yourself so well. If things continue on the current
course, you soon won't have the right to express yourself in such a
manner.

Anyone who would
address it further than that is just as stupid as you...

Well, it looks like more than a few of your compatriots did address it
further, just as you did. In your case, I'd say you've overestimated
your intelligence.

bb

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

Asskisser,,,

You should quit while you were only so far behind. You should have quit
while you were only thought of as a moron, now everyone thinks your a stupid
moron.
O well, what next there stupid? I mean it is obvious there is limited or
minimal education over there on your part, why do you have to keep proving
that point.







"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits
for future Social Security retirees. Without action, he warned,
long-term interest rates would rise, seriously harming the economy.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

In article , jchaplain wrote:

All attempts to transform the slush fund by Republicans in recent past
have been met with cries of "The sky is falling" by the various Democrat
Chicken Little's who induce paranoia amongst the largely lgnorant
general public and seniors in particular.

Just listen to yourself....Republicans "transforming" Social
security...

Do you think it's Republicans who protect the interest of the average
guy? or is it Republicans who want to "transform" Social Security to
use the money the way they see fit? ie: using our Social Security
money to pay off Bushs' spending spree...

It is ALWAYS the Democrats who stand to represent the average guy,
while the Republicans ALWAYS back whats good for corporations and big
business tax breaks, just like the current bufoon in the white house
does currently. Face reality. If you really think it's republicans
that protect the interest of the little guy, you've probably been
dropped on your head at one or more points in your life.

The "average guy" eh?

Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

And then the bitching comes about proposed cuts in a system that
is being strained to the gills trying to address the problem of every recent
immigrant seeking to import their aged grandparents, great aunts, etc. - all
of whom become eligible for social security and medicare. All these monies
are, of course, drawn out of a system where they have never contributed a
single dime.

Are these the "average" folks that you are talking about? And just WHAT
PARTY subverted the laws and rules to allow this draining of social security
and other programs?

And exactly how does this "represent' the other forgotten folks (the "average"
folks who are AMERICAN CITIZENS)?

And do your really think the the elites who line-up and proclaim to represent
the "average guy" (John Edwards etc...) have any real connection to Joe
working class? Come on....get real....

Speaking of dropped on one's head....


(Trivia Quiz: What Democrat President signed NAFTA into law? NAFTA, now that
is one helluva deal that really protects the "interests of the little guy"
both here and abroad!)

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

In article , (basskisser) wrote:


Hehe!! You call Gore stupid? Compared to WHAT? PLEASE don't say Bush,
I may laugh too hard to type!!! As for SS paying down the national
debt, I'd have liked to have seen Bush KEEP the debt balanced, as
Clinton did, then we'd have OUR money.

Bush AND Gore both had so-so grades on their SAT scores and BOTH had
pretty poor grades at their prep schools.

Maybe if Gore wasn't sucking up the reefer so much he could have developed
his mind a lot further?

In interviews with Gore's old buddies from his school days many of them have
openly proclaimed that "Gore smoked marijuana like a chimney" and other
words to that effect.

With all the slamming and bashing of Bush going on it's easy to lose sight
of the fact that Gore wasn't exactly a poster boy for being a student or
intellect pursuing higher education to his maximum potential.

Let's not forgot the fistfuls of dollars that Gore's daddy threw at the
schools that he attended and please don't pretend that it didn't have
any influence on Gore's final grades....

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

In article , (basskisser) wrote:

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting benefits
for future Social Security retirees.

What does Bush have to do with this basskisser? Can't you read the very
first sentence of the story you posted?


Hmm, did you ever stop to think WHO is the commander in chief? Did you
ever stop to think that Greenspan, in his role as Federal Reserve
Chairman answers to Bush, ultimately?

Actually the President has very little influence over the economy as compared
to others and especially the Federal Reserve Chairman.

You haven't studied economics much...

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
link.net...
"jchaplain" wrote in message
...

Neither party is innocent of using SS as a slush fund! The Dem's in
power
now are blocking the SS Lockbox act.

Thats the problem with republicans, they never look deeper into
issues.
Care to explain what the 'lockbox" act does? Obviously you don't have
a clue.
You might think it locks the SS funds away to be used only by
SS...wrong! Thats what the Republicans would like you to think, so
they put a name on it called 'lockbox' so that the uninformed would
think it was about locking money away for SS use only.....
What it really would do is lock the funds proceeds into being used to
pay down the national debt, which is why the republicans want it and
the democrats do not.
IF it locked the funds to be used only for Social Security, the
Democrats would be all behind it, because the Democrats are FOR the
little guy, not for paying down Bushs debt so he stands a chance at
getting elected again.
If that's to hard for you republicans to understand, please read this
post again SLOWLY....

I would rather see it paying down the National debt than the use that is
has
been put too for the last 40 years!!! Clinton's touting of a balanced
budget included the SS taxes. Put it in the "Lockbox" and it will not
be
part of the spending every year for general budget items. And as a
fiscally
conservative Democrat, I despise the candidates for both parties. In
the
last election, I voted for Bush as AGore is one of the stupidest people
ever
to run for high office. Clinton was almost as crooked as LBJ, and that
takes some doing. Kerry is a Fiscal Liberal, as well as a social
Liberal.
I care less about most social restrictions, but I do not want to pay for
your play!!!!!! The Gay Wedding scene. My biggest complaint is the
local
judge who did not uphold the law. The judge should have upheld the law
and
the plaintiff's could then appeal to higher courts. To many activist
judges
making law. Is not their place. They are not the Legislative Branch!
Also, the term marriage seems to be chosen to **** off the most people.
We
allow civil unions. A contract, just like marriage is a contract
between
two people. As to the next election. Look at the Democrat party's
candidates. Way too much power from the DNC as to who gets to play.
Where
is a Truman when we need him.

Hehe!! You call Gore stupid? Compared to WHAT? PLEASE don't say Bush,
I may laugh too hard to type!!! As for SS paying down the national
debt, I'd have liked to have seen Bush KEEP the debt balanced, as
Clinton did, then we'd have OUR money.


Who flunked out of law school? Who flunked out of Divinity School. Who does
not have a masters? AGore is stupid. If he had not been born to a rich
racist Senator, he would have never been heard from outside his family. As
to Clinton balancing the budget! He was a profligate spender his first 2
years. Until the Contract with America bunch and cut off a lot of the money
flow, Clinton spent just like any other spendthrift President of the last 40
years. Unfortunately the COA people folded. We also increase revenues
exponentially over those years. Changed the tax code to get money up front
on stock options, not when people actually sold and made any money. Raised
taxes more than he should of and this is according to Clinton himself.

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"jchaplain" wrote in message
...

I would rather see it paying down the National debt than the use that is
has
been put too for the last 40 years!!! Clinton's touting of a balanced
budget included the SS taxes. Put it in the "Lockbox" and it will not be
part of the spending every year for general budget items. And as a
fiscally
conservative Democrat, I despise the candidates for both parties. In the
last election, I voted for Bush as AGore is one of the stupidest people
ever
to run for high office. Clinton was almost as crooked as LBJ, and that
takes some doing. Kerry is a Fiscal Liberal, as well as a social
Liberal.
I care less about most social restrictions, but I do not want to pay for
your play!!!!!! The Gay Wedding scene. My biggest complaint is the
local
judge who did not uphold the law. The judge should have upheld the law
and
the plaintiff's could then appeal to higher courts. To many activist
judges
making law. Is not their place. They are not the Legislative Branch!
Also, the term marriage seems to be chosen to **** off the most people.
We
allow civil unions. A contract, just like marriage is a contract between
two people. As to the next election. Look at the Democrat party's
candidates. Way too much power from the DNC as to who gets to play.
Where
is a Truman when we need him.

Pretzel logic...then rambling.....

1) So, you admit that it is not a 'lockbox' that locks away ss money
safely....so then don't you think there might be something to the
democrats reasoning why this is another republican sham???

2) Gore stupider than Bush?....puleeezzz...what oblivious planet are
you on? The entire world would disagree with you on that.

3) Now we're talking about gay marriages? Ok, support it or not, have
any idea how much fighting gay marriages is going to cost this country
in legal fees? How much it has already cost? Now doofus wants to have
a consitutional ban on it..that will cost millions, perhaps billions
by the time you add up the court time, time house and congress would
spend on it, time all the lawyers would be paid for, probably only to
fail anyway, so a total waste. Religious right phobia is going to cost
us all plenty.

4) Activist judges....the term you hear from the redneck right
whenever civil rights are upheld. If the court banned abortion, made
homosexuality a crime, made sex outside of marriage illegal, made
teaching evolution illegal, and chose a republican for president
they're not called activist judges then. They're then upholding the
type of values the conservatives inthis country are looking for, very
similar to the values the conservative religious Taliban fanatics want
to impose on the Afganistan population.

Amazing how conservatives are always so eager to wave the american
flag, a symbol of freedom and equality, then spit on any of their
fellow americans if they are different from them.

Ramblings? Yup, just replying in a stream of consciousness. The activist
judges, and our local Federal Appeals court is at the top. Both in activist
rulings and being overturned on appeal. There job is to rule if the law is
broken. Especially at the lowest level court. They did not choose the
President, and you are in extreme denial if you truly beleive that.

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:35:12 +0000, Henry Blackmoore wrote:


Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

And then the bitching comes about proposed cuts in a system that
is being strained to the gills trying to address the problem of every recent
immigrant seeking to import their aged grandparents, great aunts, etc. - all
of whom become eligible for social security and medicare. All these monies
are, of course, drawn out of a system where they have never contributed a
single dime.

You actually believe this? You might want to read:

http://www.network-democracy.org/soc...mmigrants.html

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"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:35:12 +0000, Henry Blackmoore wrote:


Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

And then the bitching comes about proposed cuts in a system that
is being strained to the gills trying to address the problem of every
recent
immigrant seeking to import their aged grandparents, great aunts, etc. -
all
of whom become eligible for social security and medicare. All these
monies
are, of course, drawn out of a system where they have never contributed
a
single dime.

You actually believe this? You might want to read:

http://www.network-democracy.org/soc...mmigrants.html

They get SS money but under the guise of SSI. For those who never paid into
the system. Was originally for Farmers, etc. Now immigrants get SSI. And
can be greater payment than someone who has paid into the SS sytem.
Bill

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The "average guy" eh?

Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

Duh,
no...., average guy, like average american working, middle class.
I know you republicans like to think that your fellow americans (
everyone but you and your bubba buddy at the bar stool next to you,)
are all a bunch of leaches, no-good welfare bums, etc...etc....

Why in hell would you take it that someone speaking of an average
american meant non-citizens who collect food stamps and welfare
checks, etc.....
Your view of what the average american is must be pretty bleak, but
thats typical of the Republican viewpoint. Republicans think the world
is out to screw them, like an angry spoiled child syndrome.

Again it's the average guy that is protected by Democrats. People like
bus drivers, factory workers, office workers.

Republicans look to protect people like Donald Trump and Dick Cheney.
Fact.

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In article , jchaplain wrote:


The "average guy" eh?

Kind of like the NON-citizens who come here and collect food stamps,
welfare checks, social-security checks, etc.. etc.. do?

Duh,
no...., average guy, like average american working, middle class.
I know you republicans like to think that your fellow americans (
everyone but you and your bubba buddy at the bar stool next to you,)
are all a bunch of leaches, no-good welfare bums, etc...etc....

Why in hell would you take it that someone speaking of an average
american meant non-citizens who collect food stamps and welfare
checks, etc.....

You missed the point entirely, go back and read it again.

Your view of what the average american is must be pretty bleak,

I normally don't get into typo, spelling and grammar correction but
could you please capitalize the A in American? :^)


but
thats typical of the Republican viewpoint. Republicans think the world
is out to screw them, like an angry spoiled child syndrome.

Again it's the average guy that is protected by Democrats. People like
bus drivers, factory workers, office workers.

Total bull****. Do you seriously eat that bull**** rhetoric up? What
connection does Teddy Kennedy have with an AVERAGE guy?

What does an Edwards relate to the little guy?

How does Barney Frank relate to the average joe?

How does Joe Liberman's lifestyle compare to a factory worker?

My point in the earlier post was that the Democrats have screwed
the "average guy" just as much as anybody else has if not more.

NAFTA was signed into law by a Democrat President.

How is NAFTA helping the "average" guy?

How is saddling this country with debt to pay for benefits to
illegal aliens and to require healthcare and schooling for them
when we can't even afford to pay for the same for the folk's that
live here? How is this helping the little average guy huh? Explain this to
me?



Republicans look to protect people like Donald Trump and Dick Cheney.
Fact.

yeah right.

Go ahead and live with your blinders on if it makes you feel better but
remember when you take them off that the real wold awaits you.

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That is obvious,, neither have many of the other posters here in this
boating newsgroups. Surely they are knowledgeable of boating issues, but
economics,,, nothing....





"Henry Blackmoore" wrote in message
ink.net...
In article ,
(basskisser) wrote:

(02-25) 08:58 PST WASHINGTON (AP) --

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan urged Congress on Wednesday
to
deal with the country's escalating budget deficit by cutting
benefits
for future Social Security retirees.

What does Bush have to do with this basskisser? Can't you read the
very
first sentence of the story you posted?


Hmm, did you ever stop to think WHO is the commander in chief? Did you
ever stop to think that Greenspan, in his role as Federal Reserve
Chairman answers to Bush, ultimately?

Actually the President has very little influence over the economy as
compared
to others and especially the Federal Reserve Chairman.

You haven't studied economics much...

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!



He is not telling the government to do anything. He is making suggestions
based on his expertise in economics.

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"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to do
anything I want. There is a big distinction between telling and compelling.

Bert

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Bert Robbins wrote:
"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to do
anything I want.


Or, in fact, pay any attention to you once they hear what you have to say.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
"JGK" wrote in message
. ..

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do
anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to
do
anything I want.


Or, in fact, pay any attention to you once they hear what you have to say.

Bingo Harry, you finaly get it. I have the right to say whatever I want,
however, I don't have the right to be heard. This distinction is lost on
many, if not all, of those on the left side of the isle.

You lefties are afraid of us righties being heard and you try to stop us
from speaking at every oppourtunity. This just proves that what we have to
say may change some minds towards our way of thinking.

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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:45:56 -0500, "JGK" wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form,

Say *what*?

You may want to look into that a bit more carefully. Start with learning about
the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913.

Joe Parsons

but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...

Say *what*?

You may want to look into that a bit more carefully. Start with learning
about
the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913.

Joe Parsons

Just did to double check, seems like a private bank to me.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclop...al-Reserve-Act
Here what they say:
"The Federal Reserve Act of 1913, also called the Glass-Owen Bill,
established the Federal Reserve System in the United States.
The Federal Reserve System is an independent central bank. Although the
President of the United States appoints the chairman of the Fed and this
appointment is approved by the United States Senate, the decisions of the
Fed do not have to be ratified by the President or anyone else in the
executive branch of the United States government.
According to the United States Constitution, the United States Congress has
the power and responsibility to coin money and set its value. In the 1913
Federal Reserve Act, Congress itself shirked this responsibility and gave
this power to a private corporation known as the Federal Reserve. "

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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...
"JGK" wrote in message
. ..
The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do
anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to do
anything I want. There is a big distinction between telling and
compelling.

Bert
You are correct Bert and I agree, he does have the right to speak his mind.
I stated that to hastily, The unfortunate thing is that when he speaks the
government
seems compelled to listen. Remember he is not working for the best
interests of the US
but rather he is working for the benefit of his bank.

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snip
Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form,

Say *what*?

You may want to look into that a bit more carefully. Start with learning
about
the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913.

Joe Parsons

snip
The entire act:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/Genera...ct/default.htm
Board of governers:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/Genera...act/sect10.htm
Powers of the board of governers:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/Genera...act/sect11.htm

Mark Browne

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Federal Reserve Banks, all they are private banks, sanctioned by the Federal
Government whose Board of Governors is approved by congress but it is a
private corporation

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/naij2.html
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%2...l-Reserve.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Bank
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/powerfortress.htm
http://www.boblonsberry.com/writers/...cfm?story=7784

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:45:56 -0500, "JGK"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message
. com...
Hmmm, let me get this straight.... BushCo gives us back a pittance of
OUR money, in the form of a tax rebate, right? Then, because he didn't
use that money to pay for some of his worst-ever federal deficit,
Greenspan is so afraid that it will spiral out of control, that he
wants to use Social Security money, again, OUR money, to pay off some
of the deficit?? Even the conservatives should be able to see what's
wrong with THIS!! :

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form,

Say *what*?

You may want to look into that a bit more carefully. Start with learning
about
the "Federal Reserve Act" of 1913.

Joe Parsons

but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

BushCo to cut S.S. Benefits
 

In article , "Bert Robbins" wrote:

"JGK" wrote in message
...

Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, who is not a member of the US
government in any form, but rather from the Federal Reserve, a private
bank,
is telling the US government what to do. This I find offensive!

The great thing about this country is that I can tell anyone to do anything
I want. What I lack, at the moment, is the ability to compel anyone to do
anything I want. There is a big distinction between telling and compelling.

Bert

do tell!


lol