NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40
I was looking around at some of the engine maker websites and stumbled
across the new Mercury Verado supercharged, 4-stroke, big outboards with their sequential, multi-port fuel injection and miles of other complexities to ensure you have zero chance of getting the damned thing running if it quits on the river, 35 miles from home. One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. Of COURSE we couldn't just have a super-sophisticated new outboard motor that ran on just any old 4-stroke oil, like SAE SJ from Autozone. Oh, NO! We have to invent a whole new line of ultra-profitable, very limited availability motor oils you can only get at....guess where.....Your MERCURY dealer! Federal law provides that if they specify a BRAND of motor oil, they have to GIVE it to you for the life of the engine..... So, through the loophole, we invent a new motor oil of stupid miltiple viscosity and threaten to void your warranty, I'm sure, if you use SJ 15W-40 from Autozone. Don't suppose I'll be buying a Verado outboard.....or a Ficht....or an OptiMax....any time soon. Stupid manufacturers still haven't learned their lessons...... Search Google for "NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40" and look at all 4 hits it gets on the whole internet.....all Mercury, of course. Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? The damned thing holds EIGHT quarts of it! |
My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced it
with Semi-synthetic. "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... I was looking around at some of the engine maker websites and stumbled across the new Mercury Verado supercharged, 4-stroke, big outboards with their sequential, multi-port fuel injection and miles of other complexities to ensure you have zero chance of getting the damned thing running if it quits on the river, 35 miles from home. One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. Of COURSE we couldn't just have a super-sophisticated new outboard motor that ran on just any old 4-stroke oil, like SAE SJ from Autozone. Oh, NO! We have to invent a whole new line of ultra-profitable, very limited availability motor oils you can only get at....guess where.....Your MERCURY dealer! Federal law provides that if they specify a BRAND of motor oil, they have to GIVE it to you for the life of the engine..... So, through the loophole, we invent a new motor oil of stupid miltiple viscosity and threaten to void your warranty, I'm sure, if you use SJ 15W-40 from Autozone. Don't suppose I'll be buying a Verado outboard.....or a Ficht....or an OptiMax....any time soon. Stupid manufacturers still haven't learned their lessons...... Search Google for "NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40" and look at all 4 hits it gets on the whole internet.....all Mercury, of course. Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? The damned thing holds EIGHT quarts of it! |
Harry Krause wrote:
Larry W4CSC wrote: I was looking around at some of the engine maker websites and stumbled across the new Mercury Verado supercharged, 4-stroke, big outboards with their sequential, multi-port fuel injection and miles of other complexities to ensure you have zero chance of getting the damned thing running if it quits on the river, 35 miles from home. One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. Of COURSE we couldn't just have a super-sophisticated new outboard motor that ran on just any old 4-stroke oil, like SAE SJ from Autozone. Oh, NO! We have to invent a whole new line of ultra-profitable, very limited availability motor oils you can only get at....guess where.....Your MERCURY dealer! Federal law provides that if they specify a BRAND of motor oil, they have to GIVE it to you for the life of the engine..... So, through the loophole, we invent a new motor oil of stupid miltiple viscosity and threaten to void your warranty, I'm sure, if you use SJ 15W-40 from Autozone. Don't suppose I'll be buying a Verado outboard.....or a Ficht....or an OptiMax....any time soon. Stupid manufacturers still haven't learned their lessons...... Search Google for "NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40" and look at all 4 hits it gets on the whole internet.....all Mercury, of course. Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? The damned thing holds EIGHT quarts of it! The price of oil is not relevant to the owner of a new, $15,000 four stroke outboard motor. I won't argue the point that all modern high horsepower outboards are too complex. Oh, I found 50 hits for that weight of oil, and the Merc branded oil at $3.25 a quart: https://www.dougrussell.com/Products...y=7&Bran d=87 So is this just a standard Krause lie against Larry??? yet another Krause doesn't like because Larry called him for the liar he is:-) or maybe it falls in the obvious deception class of his spammer mate Gould??? or I wonder if Krause is just such an uneducated simpleton he can't even read & understand the point Larry was making??? Hmmmmm...... beg your pardon sorry I didn't hear you.........OH OK OK I agree with you, it's all 3!!:-) Let's see he claims 50 hits in google for that "weight" of oil:-) but of course he left out the NMMA certification which was exactly Larry's good & valid point. That it's a dealer scam & ripoff. Then of course he pretends "he" can find dealer oil cheap when the last bloke who tried finding anything at a marine dealer "cheap" recently died still trying, no doubt Gould watched his funeral on the telly last night:-) (true; that's what they spend most of their time praying for:-)) As Larry says Wanna bet it's NOT $6/gallon? or I suppose the lying union organiser idiot thug Krause wouldn't know the difference between a quart & a gallon anyway:-) Ah I love the way socialist liars flare up & go poof in a cloud of acrid smoke when you turn the gas up:-) Too much fun it really is:-) but hey thanks!!! K Been busy today so I'll keep the Krause lie of the day short. This lying simpleton, after it became clear he was losing a thread where he was displaying his usual lack of patriotism much less gratitude for the brave men & women out there risking their everything, to keep the likes of him safe, he just reverts to type. But seriously can you imagine this uneducated union thug now claims he is reviewing universities!!! & wait for it he poo poos the engineering course!!! this from a lying uneducated union thug who couldn't use a toaster without a union authorised electrician in attendance. I've included just one of the followup responses but it was such a bald faced lie it even embarrassed the rejoinders:-) I have visited West Point, the Naval Academy, the Air Force Academy and the sub training facility at Groton. Some years ago, I actually did look over descriptions of some of the course material at Annapolis and the c.v.'s of some of the faculty. I'm sure the engineering course material is fairly rigorous, though it is more "trade-oriented" and did not look up to MIT or CalTech standards. I mean, if your goal is to be an aeronautical engineer, you're going to get better training at MIT or CalTech or at any of a large number of other engineering schools. I thought the faculty academic credentials no better than what is found at a typical smaller four year public university. The military academies turn out military officers with an education, not highly educated military officers. But that is their purpose, eh? -- Holy molly, grandma, put on your high boots. Harry Krause, admitted graduate in the humanities with a degree in English is hereby qualified to critique the engineering curriculum of not only West Point, but also that of the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy and compare it to that of MIT and CalTech. The above paragraph is a classic. You missed your calling Harry. |
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. "NOYB" wrote in message ... My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced it with Semi-synthetic. Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager |
"Billgran" wrote in message . .. "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. "NOYB" wrote in message ... My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced it with Semi-synthetic. Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Can you provide a brief summary of their conclusions? |
"Billgran" wrote in message . .. "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message One of the REQUIREMENTS of this ultra-sophisticated piece of American ingenuity is its NMMA-certified FCW SAE 25W-40 motor oil. "NOYB" wrote in message ... My Suzuki recommends good ol' 10W-40. I just changed my oil and replaced it with Semi-synthetic. Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager Bill, You post as "seahorse" on bass fishing website, right? |
"Billgran" wrote in
: Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill? This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams.... |
Larry,
Is it possible an additive or a synthetic oil could improve the lubrication properties of oil? I know there are many products that are "snake oil" (and I am guilty of buying my fair share) but I would think some would be able to give your basic oil improved properties. Speaking of "snake oil" how many people fell for the Teflon additives, such as Slick 50. My complaint was not that it was useless, but that it actually caused accelerated wear on engines. I guess my biggest complaint is I actually fell for it. "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... "Billgran" wrote in : Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill? This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams.... |
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... "Billgran" wrote in : Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill? This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams.... What scam? |
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:05:35 -0400, "Me Again" wrote:
~~ snippage ~~ Is it possible an additive or a synthetic oil could improve the lubrication properties of oil? I didn't believe it, but it does. I used TCW-3 spec Pennzoil on my Ranger (which, according to the warranty specs is all that is required) and the plugs carboned up like you wouldn't believe. The first year I owned it, I had a decrease in performance due to carboned plugs. When I pulled them just to check, I was blowen away by the sheer amount of carbon. I switched to FICHT oil and problem solved. So the evidence is yes, there are additives in FICHT oil and I assume other manufacturer's oil, that are specific to their machine's requirements. Later, Tom |
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 09:36:22 -0400, "SoFarrell"
wrote: "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... "Billgran" wrote in : Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill? This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams.... What scam? It's the same as the Metz antenna scam - only different. :) Later, Tom |
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message ... "Billgran" wrote in : Go to a library or find a a back issue of the March 2004 Trailer Boats Magazine. They reported on and lab tested both specialty 4-stroke outboard oils against ordinary car oils, including Mobil 1. The results were suprising.. Bill Grannis service manager Other than paying off some NMMA bureaucrat for "certification", what's so special about this wonderful lube oil, Bill? This scam reminds me of the TC-W3 scams.... Hey Larry, Welcome back. It's been quite a while since you've been active here. Hope everything is OK with your organs, both musical and internal! How are things up North in Charleston? You will love the Trailer Boats oil article on the differences between the expensive special 4-stroke lubes and the "el cheapo" car stuff. It's right up your alley. Yamaha oil did the worst in the non-scientific rust test, while Mobil 1 and the semi-synthetic Evinrude oil did the best. Followed by Pennzoil 10W-30, Sierra, and Merc lubes. For anti-wear additives, once again Pennzoil came out on top and was named "best buy". That is a $1.29 per quart oil outperforming most $3.95 and up special lubes. This oil test was done just before the NMMA 4 stroke specs came about. The things that concern the motor companies was the lessening of anti-wear additives in regular car oil due to EPA regs and that car oils do not have to pass anti-rust, anti-foam, and fuel dilution tests. The main thing is to change outboard oil often due to the motors environment and high-speed rpms, compared to a car that loafs along at 2500 rpm @ 70 mph. Bill Grannis service manager |
wrote in message ... On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:35:41 GMT, "Billgran" wrote: Followed by Pennzoil 10W-30, Sierra, and Merc lubes. Thanks for the encouragement Bill. I have been using Penzoil on my 2002 60 merc 4s when I don't use the real merc oil. I do change it at 100 hrs, which is about every 3 months for me. 1100 hours and still running great. I was finding the merc oil was showing a lower oil pressure around 75 hours then I switched to the Penzoil. It seems better. In the article it mentions that Merc recommended their stern drive 25-40 oil if the temps were above 80 degrees. Suzuki recommended a 20W-50 in hot weather. At 212 degrees (100 C), the Merc oil had a slightly higher viscosity than Pennzoil did, but both were still within specs, so I am surprised that you had higher oil pressure with Pennzoil. Bill Grannis service manager |
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