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Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:


That's almost funny. Here the left is always spouting about the
shortcomings of our government, and how they don't trust it to keep
terrorists at bay

There's no evidence the Bush Administration is keeping terrorists at bay.

They're at least TRYING. More than I can say for sniveling democratic
wannabe presidential candidates, who want to CUT defense spending.



, and to make the world a better place for freedom,

There's no evidence the Bush Administration is making the world a better
place for freedom. In fact, the opposite is true.

That's a matter of perspective, and speculation. Sometimes things have
to get a little worse, before they can get a lot better.


and
human rights.

You mean oil rights, and the rights to exploit third-world workers with
near-slave wages, right?

Your words not mine. You really need to start thinking objectively,
isstead of parroting the liberal party line.


Yet, they want the same government, to be the
administrators of healthcare

I haven't read that proposal...surely you are not referring to a
universal health care card...

The brain child of the liberal left. Until we find out how much it will
cost.....



, day care

Right...you want women at home, barefoot, pregnant and subservient, right?

Kids would have a much better upbringing if the parents, and not a bunch
of unmotivated strangers, took care of them.


, our retirement funds

What a laugh.

, and to
weigh in on lifestyle issues.

Better the government than your stinking religion.

I would disagree. Government has no place in someone's lifestyle.
Morality, however, is a different matter.

Dave

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Grumman-581" wrote in
message
...


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americ...ants.truck.ap/
index.html

I think I would have been tempted to let them continue on towards the
US
due
to their creativeness...


It's funny. The president says we're trying to spread the word about
freedom
and democracy, but when the occasional handful want to come here, we
send
them back to a regime we've considered evil since its inception.


Nothing "funny" about it. We have a legal process which a potential
immigrant can use to gain entry here. If you try to circumvent that
process, you deserve to get sent back.

Dave


No fruit or vegetables for you, Dave, for an entire year. Or, you can openly
admit your understanding that of all the produce picked HERE IN THIS
COUNTRY, 80% of the labor is done by illegals and YOU LIKE EATING THE
RESULTS.

Yeah - but many of them do alright. I know illegals that own have
taken out mortgages and purchased their own homes. There is just
about zero enforcement of our immigration laws once you get into this
country.

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Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:


That's almost funny. Here the left is always spouting about the
shortcomings of our government, and how they don't trust it to keep
terrorists at bay

There's no evidence the Bush Administration is keeping terrorists at bay.

They're at least TRYING. More than I can say for sniveling democratic
wannabe presidential candidates, who want to CUT defense spending.

You think there is a connection between overspending on defense and
keeping a terrorist with a bomb and a Ryder truck away from a public
library or shopping mall?






, and to make the world a better place for freedom,

There's no evidence the Bush Administration is making the world a better
place for freedom. In fact, the opposite is true.

That's a matter of perspective, and speculation. Sometimes things have
to get a little worse, before they can get a lot better.

They're getting a lot worse, and there's no indication they will get
better.





and
human rights.

You mean oil rights, and the rights to exploit third-world workers with
near-slave wages, right?

Your words not mine. You really need to start thinking objectively,
isstead of parroting the liberal party line.


Ahh, but I am thinking objectively. The Bush-shippers give not a damn
for human rights in the world, unless those humans are wealthy.





Yet, they want the same government, to be the
administrators of healthcare

I haven't read that proposal...surely you are not referring to a
universal health care card...

The brain child of the liberal left. Until we find out how much it will
cost.....


You're already paying the tab, dummy. Haven't you figured that out?




, day care

Right...you want women at home, barefoot, pregnant and subservient, right?

Kids would have a much better upbringing if the parents, and not a bunch
of unmotivated strangers, took care of them.


Ever since Reagan, it's taken two paychecks to support a family.





, our retirement funds

What a laugh.

, and to
weigh in on lifestyle issues.

Better the government than your stinking religion.

I would disagree. Government has no place in someone's lifestyle.
Morality, however, is a different matter.

Dave

Your stinking religion is devoid of morality.

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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 06:43:53 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote:

noah wrote:

Really? I see things very clearly. Maybe because I don't spend my time
making excuses and exeptions for things that should not be.

This statement is patently untrue. The government, "our" government,
does things daily that "should not be". I make no excuses and pull no
punches. From reading your posts, you see this too, but you don't
want to admit the failings. Patriotism DEMANDS critical thought- no
matter where your allegiance or affilliation lies.

That's almost funny. Here the left is always spouting about the
shortcomings of our government, and how they don't trust it to keep
terrorists at bay, and to make the world a better place for freedom, and
human rights. Yet, they want the same government, to be the
administrators of healthcare, day care, our retirement funds, and to
weigh in on lifestyle issues.

It sounds somewhat hypocritical to me.

Dave


Do you have a reading disability, Dave? If so, I apologise.

I said:
"Patriotism DEMANDS critical thought- no
matter where your allegiance or affilliation lies."

What lead you to believe that was a leftist statement? It sounds more
to me like a responsible citizen. Don't bother reading Alexander
Hamilton, or Thomas Jefferson. You wouldn't like what they had to
say.

FWIW, I am a registered Republican, who happens to believe that
thought is more important than dogma. This country is FULL of
"me-too's", who are willing to believe whatever they are told by the
Party Line. Sheep. Nothing but sheep. Both parties.

Think for yourself, Dave. It's a bit like blowing the carbon out of
the engine. It feels *good*, and you'll never again have to say
"baaa-aah".
noah


Courtesy of Lee Yeaton,
See the boats of rec.boats
www.TheBayGuide.com/rec.boats

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Yeah - but many of them do alright. I know illegals that own have
taken out mortgages and purchased their own homes. There is just
about zero enforcement of our immigration laws once you get into this
country.

Why should there be???
If someone wants to come here, work hard, pay taxes and generally become
productive citizens I say "come on up".
I agree we don't need immigrant welfare cases and criminals but if they want
the American dream of a job, a house and a family, what/who are they hurting?
We certainly are going to need a huge increase in full grown workers if the
Ponzi scheme we call Social Security is going to survive the 2010s

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:


That's almost funny. Here the left is always spouting about the
shortcomings of our government, and how they don't trust it to keep
terrorists at bay

There's no evidence the Bush Administration is keeping terrorists at
bay.

They're at least TRYING. More than I can say for sniveling democratic
wannabe presidential candidates, who want to CUT defense spending.

You think there is a connection between overspending on defense and
keeping a terrorist with a bomb and a Ryder truck away from a public
library or shopping mall?

If Dave replies "yes" to Harry's question, perhaps he could then explain why
the Republican-controlled congress cut a hundred-something million bucks
from the air marshall program last week. In other words, if more is better,
why are security funding promises being broken?

I don't suppose it has anything to do with the tax rebate/cut/vote buying
(choose your term) plan instituted by his moron leader.

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

noah wrote:

Do you have a reading disability, Dave? If so, I apologise.

I said:
"Patriotism DEMANDS critical thought- no
matter where your allegiance or affilliation lies."

No kidding. My point is that the left is always critical of the
government when it's in their best interest, yet runs to hide behind
its skirt, when they feel the need for dependance.

Everyone feeds at the same nipple, Dave. Polluters love to complain about
government control until a willing puppet is elected and that puppet
appoints another puppet to run the EPA. When the puppet then relaxes
regulations on pollution, the industries involved fall all over the evil
government with campaign contributions. It's not a left-wing thing, Dave.
You know that.



I am critical of things which deseve criticism. Too many people are
critical of things which they either do not understand, or are lacking
sufficient information to make an informed decision.

FWIW, I am a registered Republican, who happens to believe that
thought is more important than dogma. This country is FULL of
"me-too's", who are willing to believe whatever they are told by the
Party Line. Sheep. Nothing but sheep. Both parties.

Most of them are standing in line right now to throw rocks at GWB, over
something they are ill-informed about.

Many are standing in line right now to spout theories about religions and
cultures which are relatively new to this country. I suspect your ancestors,
who were native Americans, didn't have to put up with such nonsense. They
were natives, right? They must be. You speak as if you belong here and
others don't.

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"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...


No fruit or vegetables for you, Dave, for an entire year. Or, you can
openly
admit your understanding that of all the produce picked HERE IN THIS
COUNTRY, 80% of the labor is done by illegals and YOU LIKE EATING THE
RESULTS.

Yeah - but many of them do alright. I know illegals that own have
taken out mortgages and purchased their own homes. There is just
about zero enforcement of our immigration laws once you get into this
country.

I'd rather have productive illegal neighbors who appreciate living here.
Newcomers are often hungry for knowledge about their new home, and as a
result, end up being better informed citizens than "real Americans" who've
become complacent.

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"Gfretwell" wrote in message
...

Ponzi scheme

ROFL!

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Ponzi scheme

ROFL!

See you in 2016 when it goes "upside down" and they start trying to cash those
worthless SS bonds.