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NOYB wrote:
Harry,
You managed to skip right over the real reason I support the guy. The first
reason was just a "dig" at you.

Read:


2) I'm tired of the way that the World has kicked us around since the end
of
the Cold War. I guess that Europe figured that they didn't need us once
the
big, bad Soviet Union fell apart. Deep down, many European's were happy
that the bully got his due on 9/11. It's human nature to resent the
powerful...and favor the underdog.

Bin Laden's long-term goal is to seize the oil in the Middle East and
destroy us economically. The House of Saud is a house of cards...and
we're
in Iraq to see that bin Laden's plan doesn't come to fruition once the
extremists have seized power in Saudi Arabia.

Appeasement through diplomacy is not the answer. I fully believe that
his
actions are precisely what I'd be doing were I in his place. Europe sees
it
as hegemony and arrogance. They're short-sighted and don't realize that
should the Middle East's oil fall into the hands of the extremists, it's
"lights out" for Western civilization.

I can't think of one policy that Bush has pushed for that I don't agree
with. Besides all that, he's a likeable guy.





Oh...I just figured the second part of your post was the usual NewsMAx
insanity.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:51:43 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


I'm just reporting what I heard on another forum...and it sounded a
little
far-fetched to me.


Well, I must admit.... that certainly isn't out of character for
you.....

Read again, Gene. I didn't state it so "matter-of-factly" as you
imply.
Instead, I asked if anybody else heard that they require a 100-hour
service
that may cost $1000.




Hell, that's just the cost of one filling, right?

A crown, buildup, emergency exam fee, and an x-ray would push you over
by
$5.






Hehehehe. What a rip.

Can't argue with you there. However, a dental practice operates at
approximately a $250/hr. overhead. Add in the lab bill, and the margin
isn't as high as you'd expect. Of course, a crown is certainly more
profitable than a filling. Many times, a filling can take so much time that
we actually *lose* money on 'em. The little bottle of bonding adhesive for
the fillings, if sold by the gallon, would cost more than $80,000 per
gallon. The old days of jamming a nickel's worth of mercury/silver amalgam
into the tooth have long passed.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:55:06 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:



Can't argue with you there. However, a dental practice operates at
approximately a $250/hr. overhead. Add in the lab bill, and the margin
isn't as high as you'd expect. Of course, a crown is certainly more
profitable than a filling. Many times, a filling can take so much time
that
we actually *lose* money on 'em. The little bottle of bonding adhesive
for
the fillings, if sold by the gallon, would cost more than $80,000 per
gallon. The old days of jamming a nickel's worth of mercury/silver
amalgam
into the tooth have long passed.


NOYB says in another thread........

"Hmmmmm. I had a 1962 13' boat in 2000 under Clinton. Under Bush,
I've had a 22' Boston Whaler in 2001. Later that year, bought a 23'
Grady White when the Whaler was stolen. In 2002 I sold the Grady and
got a 17' Whaler. And then in 2003 I bought a 25' Whaler to go along
with the 17'. Under your logic, that's 4 boats in 3 years under
Bush...and 1 boat in 8 years under Clinton."

and in this thread...

"Many times, a filling can take so much time that we actually *lose*
money on 'em. "

It is truly a shame that in America a physician has to operate at a
loss to stay in business. Maybe he'll post an address so that we can
send donations to our resident health care provider so that he won't
have to go hungry.

4 boats in 3 years. Two at one time. Nice.

1991 Grady. 1988 22' Whaler. 1994 17' Whaler. 1988 25' Whaler. Combined,
they probably don't cost as much as one *new* 25' Parker with a four-stroke.





The reason why health insurance policies typically place a low cap on
annual dental charges is directly related to the outrageous prices many
dentists charge for their work

Sure it is. It has nothing to do with the outrageous profits the insurance
company is trying to gouge from the patients and the dentists, right?


and the work of their "assistants," and
the mark-up on work they send out to their labs.

A crown from the lab runs about $150-200. Then add in the $250/hr in
expenses. Two hours for one crown=$500...plus $150-200 for the lab
bill=$750... That equates to about about $125/hr profit if a core buildup
is needed. Without the buildup, it's between $25-75/hour average.

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I think its pulling the cam cover and adjusting the valves. With waterpump
the Suzuki 90's we are running cost about 250.00 for the 100 hour checkup,
including waterpump impeller. That was prior to opening our own traveling
maintenance shop.
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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CCred68046 wrote:

It really behooves you to learn as much as you can about your
motor.
Buy

a

shop
manual and read it. That is usually all the guy at the dealer has
done

and he

probably doesn't read the whole chapter until after he is a couple
parts

into

the easter egg hunt.


Man you got that right!!! I love my old Johnson V-4. Its bad
enough
my

car is

way over my head, I dont need my boat there too.



I have the shop manual for my Yamaha F225. It's convinced me to keep
mitts off the engine.


It's worth having so you can double-check that you're not swindled
by
your
mechanic into replacing your fanozolator more often than you have
to.
Are
the 4-strokes every 50 or 100 hours for that service?


100 hour service cycle, but I will change the oil every 50 or better.


I've heard that the Big Suzuki and Honda four-strokes call for, among
other
things, a 100 hour service that requires pulling the cam and adjusting
the
valves...to the tune of $1000. Anybody else hear that?

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:37:08 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:27:19 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The reason why health insurance policies typically place a low cap on
annual dental charges is directly related to the outrageous prices many
dentists charge for their work and the work of their "assistants," and
the mark-up on work they send out to their labs.

I was moved by a television show I saw the other day. In many
cultures, care givers will not charge for their services.... relying
for their livelihood on donations from their patients. These care
givers consider money charged for helping others. who are sick or in
pain, as tainted money.

Maybe auto workers, construction workers and plumbers can take up the
charge of living on donations in this culture.

Steve

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I paid a $447 for my 60 4 stroke Merc's 500 hour check.
oil change, filter, impeller, plugs,
foot grease

The regular 100 hr check
oil change, filter, foot grease and a look over is about $200.

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"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:27:19 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The reason why health insurance policies typically place a low cap on
annual dental charges is directly related to the outrageous prices many
dentists charge for their work and the work of their "assistants," and
the mark-up on work they send out to their labs.

I was moved by a television show I saw the other day. In many
cultures, care givers will not charge for their services.... relying
for their livelihood on donations from their patients. These care
givers consider money charged for helping others. who are sick or in
pain, as tainted money.

Name one culture in which a person spends 12 years in school, 4 years in
college, 4 years in medical school, and 2-4 years in a residency...and then
doesn't get compensated for his/her work. Donating a couple of chickens and
a cow will not help repay a school loan of $250,000...nor will it pay
malpractice insurance premiums equal to or greater than that amount.




Being old enough to remember house calls and the attention given by
one physician to one patient, I am saddened by the horrendously
overpriced cattle herding mentality of present-day American medicine.

....as am I.


Vast quantities of available money have made the drug companies and
physicians easy targets for lawsuits

No, greedy attorneys have done that.


..... a situation made worse by
the fact that physicians no longer treat one patient at a time and,
thus, make it more likely that a mistake will be made.

I agree here. However, my office is one patient at a time. Sure, there are
less expensive alternatives (clinics with multiple docotrs who double and
triple book), but people are willing to pay more for personalized attention.




While I don't endorse socialized medicine,

Sure you do. Afterall, you embrace a system where the caregiver will not
charge for his/her services.


I certainly see how
physicians and drug companies that live such an opulent lifestyle will
force upon themselves some sort of further controls and restrictions
designed to protect those that simply must do without, rather than
remit what they don't have.

I can certainly see how those who choose to spend their money on luxuries
such as multiple TV's, new cars, CD's, and vacations to exotic places,
rather than on health insurance, would much rather have physicians sacrifice
their lifestyles rather than vice versa.



One would think that people holding a
doctorate could grasp the simple concept of the parable of the Monkey
with his hand in the cookie jar. Maybe not.

I can grasp the simple concept that people who work hard deserve their just
rewards. I can also grasp the fact that somebody has to pay the school loan
bills, and high insurance premiums. The fact that physicians are also
helping people is an added bonus.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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For many people, providers as well as patients, the way we handle
"managed care" is a disaster. My wife has two masters'-level psychiatric
social workers at her office who spend most of their day fighting with
insurance companies

You've nailed the problem right there. When did medicine start accepting
assignment of benefits for routine office visits? If patient's paid when
services were rendered, and then filed with the insurance company on their
own (dentistry calls it "direct reimbursement"), your wife's office could
use those psychiatric social workers more efficiently.

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"Capt Frank Hopkins" wrote in message
ink.net...

I think its pulling the cam cover and adjusting the valves. With
waterpump
the Suzuki 90's we are running cost about 250.00 for the 100 hour checkup,
including waterpump impeller.

Thanks for the reply Frank. I don't mind off-topic posts...as long as
they're marked off-topic. Harry and Gene decided to hijack the thread with
their incessant whining about how doctors/dentists are overpaid.

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NOYB wrote:

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:27:19 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The reason why health insurance policies typically place a low cap on
annual dental charges is directly related to the outrageous prices many
dentists charge for their work and the work of their "assistants," and
the mark-up on work they send out to their labs.

I was moved by a television show I saw the other day. In many
cultures, care givers will not charge for their services.... relying
for their livelihood on donations from their patients. These care
givers consider money charged for helping others. who are sick or in
pain, as tainted money.

Name one culture in which a person spends 12 years in school, 4 years in
college, 4 years in medical school, and 2-4 years in a residency...and then
doesn't get compensated for his/her work. Donating a couple of chickens and
a cow will not help repay a school loan of $250,000...nor will it pay
malpractice insurance premiums equal to or greater than that amount.

My wife has had a bit more school than you have, and, in fact, is
pursuing her second doctorate, although this one is a PhD in
statistics/research. By choice, she does not receive compensation for 50
per cent of her professional time as a psychotherapist, and her
educational loans are pretty high.

Oh...and the culture she lives in is...this culture, here in disUnited
States.