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"Dave Hall" wrote in message ... jps wrote: "Dave Hall" wrote in message ... SEATTLE - A new University of Washington study says people are more inclined to shoot blacks than whites. And why do you suppose that is? Could it be that statistically you stand a higher chance of being accosted in the city by a person of color than a white person? I guess you can blame the media for pasting the pictures and composite drawings of the latest rapists and robbers all over the 6:00 news, for subliminally planting that bias. That's your impression, isn't it Dave? Your question goes unanswered, but like Rush, you draw a conclusion based on your assumption. Nice, empty rationale. Much like the conclusion you made, which stated that since minorities are convicted of a disproportionate amount of crime, then white people must be given a "wink and nod" and let go. A nice empty rationale. Your failure to consider the obvious, is whay you guys on the left will always be out of sync. Dave Whites aren't given a wink and a nod, just humane treatment and more chances to get it right. Blacks aren't given the same opportunity. Blacks and whites consume drugs in equal amount per capita. Blacks comprise six times the number of people in prison than whites. What possible conclusion could you draw other than unequal treatment? |
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What possible conclusion could you draw other than unequal treatment?
Disparate economies. Poor people commit more crimes than middle class and wealthy people do. Much of the "race" problem in the US is really an economic problem. Long term history of unequal oppportunities (a few current exceptions prove the rule) in employment, housing, and education. Even after desegregation, it is still a tougher job to be a racial minority in America than it is to be white. |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
What possible conclusion could you draw other than unequal treatment? Disparate economies. Poor people commit more crimes than middle class and wealthy people do. Much of the "race" problem in the US is really an economic problem. Long term history of unequal oppportunities (a few current exceptions prove the rule) in employment, housing, and education. Thank you Chuck! We are in agreement in yet another area. I've tried to tell jps, that he's painting the situation with a racial brush, when he should be thinking socio-economic. Dave |
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Thank you Chuck! We are in agreement in yet another area. I've tried to
tell jps, that he's painting the situation with a racial brush, when he should be thinking socio-economic. Dave Poor, non-white people will always be non-white. That's not a good, bad, or indifferent thing, but it is a fact. No big deal, it would be boring if we all looked alike and shared precisely the same family/cultural priorities. Poor, non-white people don't need to remain *poor*. Where the injustice often arises is when other elements of society attempt to dictate that they *must* remain poor, and only because they are non-white. Early childhood education, ( a la Head Start & similar programs), is a critical element in breaking the multi-generational cycle of impoverished thinking and behavior. This is an area where the RW just doesn't get it: stripping the funding from programs that will influence kids to take a productive course in life isn't saving the taxpayer's anything. Instead of spending $6000 to send a kid to Head Start, we wind up spending $60,000 (a year!) to incarcerate him or her as a failed adult. In some areas of the country, up to about a third of the adult men from poor neighborhoods are in prison at any one time. And it isn't strictly a racial thing, either. The majority of white people serving time for violent crimes likely hail from economic conditions similar to those that their minority cell mates do. Even if the humanitarian argument falls on deaf ears, the anti-taxation crowd ought to try to realize that a $1000 in prevention is worth $100,000 in cure. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
... Even if the humanitarian argument falls on deaf ears, the anti-taxation crowd ought to try to realize that a $1000 in prevention is worth $100,000 in cure. Now...hang on just a minute, Gould. Are you claiming that if someone gets good grades and has marketable skills by the time they get out of high school or college, they're less likely to rob people in dark alleys and end up in jail? That's quite an assumption. I'm gonna need to see some right wing sources for THAT kind of theory. smirk |
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Even if the humanitarian argument falls on deaf ears, the anti-taxation crowd ought to try to realize that a $1000 in prevention is worth $100,000 in cure. Now...hang on just a minute, Gould. Are you claiming that if someone gets good grades and has marketable skills by the time they get out of high school or college, they're less likely to rob people in dark alleys and end up in jail? That's quite an assumption. I'm gonna need to see some right wing sources for THAT kind of theory. smirk Yeah, and I've not seen a stitch of evidence on any right wing news source proving that food in the morning helps kids think. How much do you think we're wasting on those kids each morning? |
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"jps" wrote in message ... Blacks and whites consume drugs in equal amount per capita. Blacks comprise six times the number of people in prison than whites. What possible conclusion could you draw other than unequal treatment? jps, now that you have had time to think about what you wrote here, do you realize how illogical what you wrote is? It makes as much sense as saying. "Fish and turtles swim in water. Bear's and birds **** in the woods. , but whenever people talk about animals defecating in the woods they always talk about the bears. The only possible conclusion that anyone can draw from this is if given a choice, most people would prefer to be **** upon by a bear than a bird. While I have no idea if your facts are correct, it really does not matter, you take two completely unrelated facts, and then try to draw some conclusion from them. I agree that the legal representation that any poor person receives is considerably below what someone receives who can afford an excellent attorney. I would also agree that the quality of legal rep. effects the outcome and the sentence given to the client. The facts you present did not do anything to prove your point, or to convince anyone that you are doing anything but spewing forth your preconceived notions. The reasons your analysis is faulty, include but is not limited to: Are the people in prison, sent to prison for using drugs or for selling drugs? Are black and whites equally represent in trafficking of drugs? Is there a difference in sentences from people selling drugs based upon race in which both clients used the same attorney? If a black using a qualified attorney, is his sentence similar to a white person who commits the same crime who uses a similarly qualified attorney? What percent of people are in prison for drugs and drug related charges and what percent are in for other crimes? Statements like the one you made is the reason you will always be viewed as an idiot by both Conservatives and Liberals. You and Rush Limbaugh are on equal footing as far as spouting off BS and then making illogical conclusions, without any facts or info to back up your claims. |
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