Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:00:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:50:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:FQ8Ub.19239$u_6.9131@lakeread04...

Here is an alternative, though risky alternative. The covenants of the
will/bequest are very powerful. (See my reply to Larry.) Form a
non-profit community organization. Find some heirs to the estate and
feel them out about contesting the city's right of posession and
donating the land to the organization. I believe that when they donate
the land they get a tax deduction equal to the current value of the
land
less the value of the original bequest.

He may also want to contact the Nature Conservancy, which acquires land
that's about to be made ugly in various ways. They often find ways to
lock
it up legally so it REALLY can't be used for disgusting purposes, like
tree-less housing developments.

www.nature.org

They may already have their eye on the specific land anyway - it's worth
making inquiries.

Good advice, but be very carefull with these folks - they can be a
real handfull to deal with.

You mean the Nature Conservancy?

Yep - it's a long story - basically, I wanted to put my forest and
meadow property in a long term trust agreement, but the language in
the agreement was such that I would have lost access to my own land
while I was still alive and kicking.

I'm not saying they don't do good work and maybe it was just the folks
I was dealing with, but I never went back to them after that.

I worked an open land deal with the state instead.

I worked with an organization that was a lot like the nature
conservancy (only smaller) on a project to remediate a telecom site we
had in a state park. During the project, they were talking about
trying to work a deal with a local archery club that owned some
adjacent property. The club wouldn't sell the land, but the
conservation group talked about getting a "conservation easement" ( I
think that was the term ).

The organization would not buy the land, but pay the archery club to
agree not to do anything else to the land for the term of easement.
They could still use the land, but the easement meant the club
couldn't do ANYTHING to it - it even put limits on the future
maintenance of some improvements the club had already made. This was
several years ago and it didn't look like such a deal was even close -
I don't know what has happened since.

On 5 Feb 2004 10:53:30 -0800, (Curtis CCR)
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:00:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:50:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:FQ8Ub.19239$u_6.9131@lakeread04...

Here is an alternative, though risky alternative. The covenants of the
will/bequest are very powerful. (See my reply to Larry.) Form a
non-profit community organization. Find some heirs to the estate and
feel them out about contesting the city's right of posession and
donating the land to the organization. I believe that when they donate
the land they get a tax deduction equal to the current value of the
land
less the value of the original bequest.

He may also want to contact the Nature Conservancy, which acquires land
that's about to be made ugly in various ways. They often find ways to
lock
it up legally so it REALLY can't be used for disgusting purposes, like
tree-less housing developments.

www.nature.org

They may already have their eye on the specific land anyway - it's worth
making inquiries.

Good advice, but be very carefull with these folks - they can be a
real handfull to deal with.

You mean the Nature Conservancy?

Yep - it's a long story - basically, I wanted to put my forest and
meadow property in a long term trust agreement, but the language in
the agreement was such that I would have lost access to my own land
while I was still alive and kicking.

I'm not saying they don't do good work and maybe it was just the folks
I was dealing with, but I never went back to them after that.

I worked an open land deal with the state instead.

I worked with an organization that was a lot like the nature
conservancy (only smaller) on a project to remediate a telecom site we
had in a state park. During the project, they were talking about
trying to work a deal with a local archery club that owned some
adjacent property. The club wouldn't sell the land, but the
conservation group talked about getting a "conservation easement" ( I
think that was the term ).

The organization would not buy the land, but pay the archery club to
agree not to do anything else to the land for the term of easement.
They could still use the land, but the easement meant the club
couldn't do ANYTHING to it - it even put limits on the future
maintenance of some improvements the club had already made. This was
several years ago and it didn't look like such a deal was even close -
I don't know what has happened since.

That's pretty much what happened to me with the caveat that the land
was to have "restricted access" - I asked what "restricted" meant and
it was pretty drastic even to the point of I couldn't hunt on my own
land or fish in my own pond.

Sorry - that dog won't howl.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On 5 Feb 2004 10:53:30 -0800, (Curtis CCR)
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in
message . ..
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:00:28 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .
On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:50:31 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:FQ8Ub.19239$u_6.9131@lakeread04...

Here is an alternative, though risky alternative. The covenants
of the
will/bequest are very powerful. (See my reply to Larry.) Form a
non-profit community organization. Find some heirs to the estate
and
feel them out about contesting the city's right of posession and
donating the land to the organization. I believe that when they
donate
the land they get a tax deduction equal to the current value of
the
land
less the value of the original bequest.

He may also want to contact the Nature Conservancy, which acquires
land
that's about to be made ugly in various ways. They often find ways
to
lock
it up legally so it REALLY can't be used for disgusting purposes,
like
tree-less housing developments.

www.nature.org

They may already have their eye on the specific land anyway - it's
worth
making inquiries.

Good advice, but be very carefull with these folks - they can be a
real handfull to deal with.

You mean the Nature Conservancy?

Yep - it's a long story - basically, I wanted to put my forest and
meadow property in a long term trust agreement, but the language in
the agreement was such that I would have lost access to my own land
while I was still alive and kicking.

I'm not saying they don't do good work and maybe it was just the folks
I was dealing with, but I never went back to them after that.

I worked an open land deal with the state instead.

I worked with an organization that was a lot like the nature
conservancy (only smaller) on a project to remediate a telecom site we
had in a state park. During the project, they were talking about
trying to work a deal with a local archery club that owned some
adjacent property. The club wouldn't sell the land, but the
conservation group talked about getting a "conservation easement" ( I
think that was the term ).

The organization would not buy the land, but pay the archery club to
agree not to do anything else to the land for the term of easement.
They could still use the land, but the easement meant the club
couldn't do ANYTHING to it - it even put limits on the future
maintenance of some improvements the club had already made. This was
several years ago and it didn't look like such a deal was even close -
I don't know what has happened since.

That's pretty much what happened to me with the caveat that the land
was to have "restricted access" - I asked what "restricted" meant and
it was pretty drastic even to the point of I couldn't hunt on my own
land or fish in my own pond.

Sorry - that dog won't howl.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

That's pretty much what happened to me with the caveat that the land
was to have "restricted access" - I asked what "restricted" meant and
it was pretty drastic even to the point of I couldn't hunt on my own
land or fish in my own pond.

Sorry - that dog won't howl.

Who would enforce that? :-) Do they send spies?

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:13:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

That's pretty much what happened to me with the caveat that the land
was to have "restricted access" - I asked what "restricted" meant and
it was pretty drastic even to the point of I couldn't hunt on my own
land or fish in my own pond.

Sorry - that dog won't howl.

Who would enforce that? :-) Do they send spies?

I live in a small rural town - that should give you an idea. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:13:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .

That's pretty much what happened to me with the caveat that the land
was to have "restricted access" - I asked what "restricted" meant and
it was pretty drastic even to the point of I couldn't hunt on my own
land or fish in my own pond.

Sorry - that dog won't howl.

Who would enforce that? :-) Do they send spies?

I live in a small rural town - that should give you an idea. :)


Great. Sounds like your neighbors would turn you in for ****ing on one of
your own trees. :-)

A friend of mine has 200 acres outside of Rochester. Sometimes we shoot guns
there. He's personally acquainted with two cops who sometimes pull over in
their patrol cars to shoot the breeze for a few minutes. Because he and his
wife like to hike & XC-ski on the land, they don't want hunters using it.
When neighbors asked about the visits from the cops, he told them it had
something to do with him not being careful of the direction in which he was
shooting his guns. He asked the cops to back up the story in case anyone
asked. Word got around. No more hunters. What a coincidence. In fact, he's
obsessive about gun safety, but his neighbors don't know that. :-)

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 14:19:53 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:13:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
.. .

That's pretty much what happened to me with the caveat that the land
was to have "restricted access" - I asked what "restricted" meant and
it was pretty drastic even to the point of I couldn't hunt on my own
land or fish in my own pond.

Sorry - that dog won't howl.

Who would enforce that? :-) Do they send spies?

I live in a small rural town - that should give you an idea. :)


Great. Sounds like your neighbors would turn you in for ****ing on one of
your own trees. :-)

A friend of mine has 200 acres outside of Rochester. Sometimes we shoot guns
there. He's personally acquainted with two cops who sometimes pull over in
their patrol cars to shoot the breeze for a few minutes. Because he and his
wife like to hike & XC-ski on the land, they don't want hunters using it.
When neighbors asked about the visits from the cops, he told them it had
something to do with him not being careful of the direction in which he was
shooting his guns. He asked the cops to back up the story in case anyone
asked. Word got around. No more hunters. What a coincidence. In fact, he's
obsessive about gun safety, but his neighbors don't know that. :-)

Heh, heh, heh....man, I could tell you stories.

My pond is way back off the road and hidden by woods - I had the USACE
come in and dredge the entrance and exit to the pond and did some
bottom contouring for me to improve the habitat - it was a neat deal.
They were just using a small excavator that they drove in from the
other side of the woods.

I don't know how anybody found out, but the evening of the day they
started, I must have had fifteen phone calls from real estate agents
and developers wanting to know what I was building, how many houses,
offered "exclusive" deals, etc.

They were extremely disappointed. :)

We also had a period of time where every day some church group sent
their parishioners out on evangelical "harvests". I finally got sick
of it, so I made up a pentagram in my woodshop and a friend of mine
machined a pentagram lead mold - I sacrificed some old lead jigs and
black powder bullets (get it - sacrificied?) and made up a pendant.
The next time callers were announced by the dogs, I grabbed the
pendant, put up the pentagram in the garage and even before they
started in, I asked if they could come back because I needed to
celebrate a black mass for Satan - would they like to attend?

It's been three years now - nary a one. :)

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
----------

"To the fisherman born there is nothing
so provoking of curiosity as a fishing rod
in a case."

Roland Pertwee, "The River God" (1928)Word must have gotten around.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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We also had a period of time where every day some church group sent
their parishioners out on evangelical "harvests". I finally got sick
of it, so I made up a pentagram in my woodshop and a friend of mine
machined a pentagram lead mold - I sacrificed some old lead jigs and
black powder bullets (get it - sacrificied?) and made up a pendant.
The next time callers were announced by the dogs, I grabbed the
pendant, put up the pentagram in the garage and even before they
started in, I asked if they could come back because I needed to
celebrate a black mass for Satan - would they like to attend?

It's been three years now - nary a one. :)

I like it! :-) You should've kept some loose black tea in the garage to
throw on them. They would've run away screaming.