On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:55:17 -0500, DSK wrote:

John H wrote:
What part of their mission is a crock of crap, Chuck?


How about the whole Iraq thing?

WARFIGHTING

1. Protect, promote and preserve U.S. interests in the Central Region to
include the free flow of energy resources, access to regional states, freedom of
navigation, and maintenance of regional stability.

And is any of that being accomplished in Iraq?

2. Develop and maintain the forces and infrastructure needed to respond to
the full spectrum of military operations.

And is any of this being accomplished in Iraq?

3. Deter conflict through demonstrated resolve in such efforts as forward
presence, prepositioning, exercises, and confidence building measures.

The "deter conflict" thing doesn't seem to be working at all in Iraq.

4. Maintain command readiness to fight and win decisively at all levels of
conflict.

The Iraq war has been a tremendous setback for readiness in all other
areas of operation.

5. Protect the force by providing an appropriate level of security and
safety.

Maybe that's why the Army is hiring private security guards in Iraq?


ENGAGEMENT

1. Maintain, support and contribute to coalitions and other collective
security efforts that support U.S. and mutual interests in the region.

Failure there, the few members of President Bush's little coalition are
bailing out.

2. Promote and support responsible and capable regional militaries.

Now there's *one* thing we seem to be working on in Iraq.

3. Promote efforts in the region to counter threats from weapons of mass
destruction, terrorism, information warfare, and drug trafficking.

Going backwards here... no WMDs, terrorism increasing, and poppy/heroin
production booming in Afghanistan...

4. Establish and maintain close relationships with regional political and
military leaders.

Other than the ones we are threatening to invade?

Etc etc.

Seriously, John H, if you have *any* positive statements about what
Bush's invasion of Iraq has accomplished... other than the removal of
Saddam Hussein... let's hear it.

DSK

Doug, Dave doesn't think you're a waste of time.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Seriously, John H, if you have *any* positive statements about what
Bush's invasion of Iraq has accomplished... other than the removal of
Saddam Hussein... let's hear it.



John H wrote:
Doug, Dave doesn't think you're a waste of time.

So can you answer the questions? If President Bush were really doing
such a good job, and the Iraq War really sucha success, it should be
easy to answer the questions.

OTOH if you are angry & frustrated because you know you cannot answer
the questions, then maybe you should reconsider your political opinions.

Believing that water flows up hill makes a great religion, but it's a
stupid way to design a plumbing system... and the same sort of blind
faith is an even stupider way to decide national policy...

DSK

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 10:13:44 -0500, DSK wrote:

Seriously, John H, if you have *any* positive statements about what
Bush's invasion of Iraq has accomplished... other than the removal of
Saddam Hussein... let's hear it.



John H wrote:
Doug, Dave doesn't think you're a waste of time.

So can you answer the questions? If President Bush were really doing
such a good job, and the Iraq War really sucha success, it should be
easy to answer the questions.

OTOH if you are angry & frustrated because you know you cannot answer
the questions, then maybe you should reconsider your political opinions.

Believing that water flows up hill makes a great religion, but it's a
stupid way to design a plumbing system... and the same sort of blind
faith is an even stupider way to decide national policy...

DSK

This was the question:

What part of their mission is a crock of crap, Chuck?

There was no discussion of the status of completion.

I don't wish to get into a 'smart-assed comment' contest with you.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

OTOH if you are angry & frustrated because you know you cannot answer
the questions, then maybe you should reconsider your political opinions.



John H wrote:
This was the question:

What part of their mission is a crock of crap, Chuck?


And I answered that question. The U.S. military has not been given a job
which in any furthers the interests of the United States in the Iraq
invasion. The Iraq war was based on lies & greed.

The U.S. military has done an admirable job in those things which it has
accomplished... all the more so because it was hobbled by profiteering.
But that does not change the fact that other than removing Saddam
Hussein from power, there is no mission to accomplish.

"Protect, promote and preserve U.S. interests in the Central Region to
include the free flow of energy resources, access to regional states,
freedom of navigation, and maintenance of regional stability" is not on
the agenda for U.S. goals in Iraq. And if it is, then we are going
backwards.

The rest of the long list which you posted is no closer to being
accomlished, judging by the best facts available.

You are welcome to post facts indicating which goals from your list
*are* being accomplished.

DSK


There was no discussion of the status of completion.

I don't wish to get into a 'smart-assed comment' contest with you.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:08:30 -0500, DSK wrote:

OTOH if you are angry & frustrated because you know you cannot answer
the questions, then maybe you should reconsider your political opinions.



John H wrote:
This was the question:

What part of their mission is a crock of crap, Chuck?


And I answered that question. The U.S. military has not been given a job
which in any furthers the interests of the United States in the Iraq
invasion. The Iraq war was based on lies & greed.

The U.S. military has done an admirable job in those things which it has
accomplished... all the more so because it was hobbled by profiteering.
But that does not change the fact that other than removing Saddam
Hussein from power, there is no mission to accomplish.

"Protect, promote and preserve U.S. interests in the Central Region to
include the free flow of energy resources, access to regional states,
freedom of navigation, and maintenance of regional stability" is not on
the agenda for U.S. goals in Iraq. And if it is, then we are going
backwards.

The rest of the long list which you posted is no closer to being
accomlished, judging by the best facts available.

You are welcome to post facts indicating which goals from your list
*are* being accomplished.

DSK


There was no discussion of the status of completion.

I don't wish to get into a 'smart-assed comment' contest with you.

Here is their mission. What do you consider a crock of crap. Accomplishment is
not the issue.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:41:36 -0500, John H wrote:

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:08:30 -0500, DSK wrote:

OTOH if you are angry & frustrated because you know you cannot answer
the questions, then maybe you should reconsider your political opinions.



John H wrote:
This was the question:

What part of their mission is a crock of crap, Chuck?


And I answered that question. The U.S. military has not been given a job
which in any furthers the interests of the United States in the Iraq
invasion. The Iraq war was based on lies & greed.

The U.S. military has done an admirable job in those things which it has
accomplished... all the more so because it was hobbled by profiteering.
But that does not change the fact that other than removing Saddam
Hussein from power, there is no mission to accomplish.

"Protect, promote and preserve U.S. interests in the Central Region to
include the free flow of energy resources, access to regional states,
freedom of navigation, and maintenance of regional stability" is not on
the agenda for U.S. goals in Iraq. And if it is, then we are going
backwards.

The rest of the long list which you posted is no closer to being
accomlished, judging by the best facts available.

You are welcome to post facts indicating which goals from your list
*are* being accomplished.

DSK


There was no discussion of the status of completion.

I don't wish to get into a 'smart-assed comment' contest with you.

Here is their mission. What do you consider a crock of crap. Accomplishment is
not the issue.

Whoops:

WARFIGHTING

1. Protect, promote and preserve U.S. interests in the Central Region to
include the free flow of energy resources, access to regional states, freedom of
navigation, and maintenance of regional stability.
2. Develop and maintain the forces and infrastructure needed to respond to
the full spectrum of military operations.
3. Deter conflict through demonstrated resolve in such efforts as forward
presence, prepositioning, exercises, and confidence building measures.
4. Maintain command readiness to fight and win decisively at all levels of
conflict.
5. Protect the force by providing an appropriate level of security and
safety.

ENGAGEMENT

1. Maintain, support and contribute to coalitions and other collective
security efforts that support U.S. and mutual interests in the region.
2. Promote and support responsible and capable regional militaries.
3. Promote efforts in the region to counter threats from weapons of mass
destruction, terrorism, information warfare, and drug trafficking.
4. Establish and maintain close relationships with regional political and
military leaders.
5. Develop integrated regional engagement approaches through cooperation with
counterparts in the interagency, other unified commands, and key
non-governmental and private volunteer organizations.

DEVELOPMENT

1. Promote and support environmental and humanitarian efforts and provide
prompt response to humanitarian and environmental crises.
2. Educate key leaders and the American public on the mission of USCENTCOM,
the importance of the Central Region and the contributions made by our friends
in the region in supporting vital U.S. interests.
3. Develop a positive command climate that encourages innovation, develops
tomorrow's leaders, provides for a high quality of life, promotes respect of
others, and increases appreciation of regional cultures.
4. Participate in concept and doctrine development, assessment of desired
operational capabilities and integration of validated capabilities.
5. Maintain regional awareness of security, political, social and economic
trends.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."