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What a surpruse: no prosecution for Army killers
COOL!!!!
-W "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody WASHINGTON -- Army officials will not prosecute seventeen U.S. soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military investigators had recommended the soldiers be court-martialed in three prisoner deaths. Charges ranged from making false statements to murder. Instead, Army officials decided either that force was lawfully used, that soldiers didn't understand the rules for using force or there wasn't enough evidence. Eleven other Army soldiers still face murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004. Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. - - - "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:53:33 GMT, "Clams Canino" wrote:
COOL!!!! -W "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody WASHINGTON -- Army officials will not prosecute seventeen U.S. soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military investigators had recommended the soldiers be court-martialed in three prisoner deaths. Charges ranged from making false statements to murder. Instead, Army officials decided either that force was lawfully used, that soldiers didn't understand the rules for using force or there wasn't enough evidence. Eleven other Army soldiers still face murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004. Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. - - - "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." We should expect at least a 100% conviction rate of soldiers investigated by soldiers. Hell, when civilians investigate civilians it happens, doesn't it? As eleven other soldiers are now facing murder charges, the premise of Harry's statement is bull****. I would expect as much from one who despises the military, but Clams... I'd have thought better of you. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
John,
Funny how people read things differently. I took Clams reply that he was in agreement that the soldiers shouldn't be prosecuted. I'm sure he'll clarify. Paul John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:53:33 GMT, "Clams Canino" wrote: COOL!!!! -W "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody WASHINGTON -- Army officials will not prosecute seventeen U.S. soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military investigators had recommended the soldiers be court-martialed in three prisoner deaths. Charges ranged from making false statements to murder. Instead, Army officials decided either that force was lawfully used, that soldiers didn't understand the rules for using force or there wasn't enough evidence. Eleven other Army soldiers still face murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004. Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. - - - "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." We should expect at least a 100% conviction rate of soldiers investigated by soldiers. Hell, when civilians investigate civilians it happens, doesn't it? As eleven other soldiers are now facing murder charges, the premise of Harry's statement is bull****. I would expect as much from one who despises the military, but Clams... I'd have thought better of you. |
"HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody snip... "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." The US militart has declared itself 'above the law'. The pilot who disobeyed orders and attacked a Canadian unit, killing four with his bombs, lost a months pay. He has never apologized. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody snip... "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." The US militart has declared itself 'above the law'. The pilot who disobeyed orders and attacked a Canadian unit, killing four with his bombs, lost a months pay. He has never apologized. That came under the heading of "**** happens in war", Don. Apologies are not required. (I assume you know a cynical remark when you see it). |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... That came under the heading of "**** happens in war", Don. Apologies are not required. (I assume you know a cynical remark when you see it). Yes....trouble is, there's a sizeable group of characters in here who really do believe that psychology. |
Hope you're right. I took it as agreement with Krause's 'Hate the Military'
campaign. Clams, if Paul's impression was the correct one, please accept this apology! On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:22:31 -0500, Paul Schilter ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote: John, Funny how people read things differently. I took Clams reply that he was in agreement that the soldiers shouldn't be prosecuted. I'm sure he'll clarify. Paul John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:53:33 GMT, "Clams Canino" wrote: COOL!!!! -W "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody WASHINGTON -- Army officials will not prosecute seventeen U.S. soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military investigators had recommended the soldiers be court-martialed in three prisoner deaths. Charges ranged from making false statements to murder. Instead, Army officials decided either that force was lawfully used, that soldiers didn't understand the rules for using force or there wasn't enough evidence. Eleven other Army soldiers still face murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004. Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. - - - "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." We should expect at least a 100% conviction rate of soldiers investigated by soldiers. Hell, when civilians investigate civilians it happens, doesn't it? As eleven other soldiers are now facing murder charges, the premise of Harry's statement is bull****. I would expect as much from one who despises the military, but Clams... I'd have thought better of you. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
come on krause
it is easter and you are speaking of your own mother that way??? Why don't you go down to the home where you stuffed her on the west coast of Florida and visit her krause. I can see the poor old toothless old krause sitting there in her rocking chair watching all the others stuffed in the same home getting visitors, seeing their own children and along comes the mail man with a card from kid krause. there should be prosecution for mother haters. At least white stuffs his in his basement and has an outside agency come once per month if they are the winning bidder and teamsters to bath her. krause you and your puppets here are a real class act. So lets look at what you said krause,, "'"''''These characters care only for fetuses and brain-dead women."''''' so krause,, what is wrong with the little darling krause,, your third wife,, I know she is 20 years younger than you, is she 8 feet tall? 500 lbs? only one leg? no legs? come on krause,, what is wrong with this little darling who is now your third wife? I can see you both out on the town,, lol,, the blind leading the blind,, do you have a lot of people running up to you screaming "FREAK",,, lol,,,, no wonder your children left you krause promising never to associate again and you stuffed Mom into a home just far enough away to avoid visits. Even though you said you take 3 day trips all over America ever couple week (but then never miss a days posts),,,krause,,, you are a liar point blank "HKrause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... That came under the heading of "**** happens in war", Don. Apologies are not required. (I assume you know a cynical remark when you see it). Yes....trouble is, there's a sizeable group of characters in here who really do believe that psychology. These characters care only for fetuses and brain-dead women. |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:10:21 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody snip... "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." The US militart has declared itself 'above the law'. The pilot who disobeyed orders and attacked a Canadian unit, killing four with his bombs, lost a months pay. He has never apologized. If the US military were above the law, why would they prosecute anyone? Why would they even bother to gather documents for newspapers under the Freedom of Information Act? (Especially when said documents can be used to 'incriminate' the military.) I doubt if the prisoners at Fort Leavenworth or any of the other multiple military prisons agree with your premise. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:57:00 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... That came under the heading of "**** happens in war", Don. Apologies are not required. (I assume you know a cynical remark when you see it). Yes....trouble is, there's a sizeable group of characters in here who really do believe that psychology. I doubt there is anyone here who is happy about the Canadians getting killed. It was a damn shame. I'm sorry it happened, for both the Canadians and the pilots. Well, I imagine there is at least one or two here who *were* happy with the news. It gave them more ammunition in their 'hate the military' campaign. How do you know they never apologized? Do you mean to say they never 'publicly' apologized? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
" Tuuk" wrote in message ... At least white stuffs his in his basement and has an outside agency come once per month if they are the winning bidder and teamsters to bath her. snip usual garbage... She has her own wing...we call it the 'North West Wing of the 'White House'....get it?? This includes her own full bathroom, cable tv, heat control, and bright windows on three sides etc. The Red Cross Homecare people come in twice a week to bath her. They were recommended by the hospital people after she recovered from the stroke she suffered two years ago. |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:57:00 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "Doug Kanter" wrote in message ... That came under the heading of "**** happens in war", Don. Apologies are not required. (I assume you know a cynical remark when you see it). Yes....trouble is, there's a sizeable group of characters in here who really do believe that psychology. I doubt there is anyone here who is happy about the Canadians getting killed. It was a damn shame. I'm sorry it happened, for both the Canadians and the pilots. Well, I imagine there is at least one or two here who *were* happy with the news. It gave them more ammunition in their 'hate the military' campaign. How do you know they never apologized? Do you mean to say they never 'publicly' apologized? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." I wonder if that drunk Canadian boater from Leamington ever apologized to the families of the Americans he killed in a boating accident on the US side of Lake Erie a few years back? |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:10:21 GMT, "Don White" wrote: "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody snip... "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." The US militart has declared itself 'above the law'. The pilot who disobeyed orders and attacked a Canadian unit, killing four with his bombs, lost a months pay. He has never apologized. Didn't you guys seize a sovereign ship not too long ago? Did they apologize for doing so? |
"HKrause" wrote in message ... I'm amazed you haven't filtered out Tuuk, Don. If you do, you'll only see a couple of his posts, and on a second-hand basis. Of course, you might enjoy reading the posts of our Thai psychopath. :] ** I always remembered that saying..'keep your friends close,but your enemies closer".** My mom died when she was in her early 80's, more than a decade ago, fortunately before she suffered any long debilitating illnesses. She was still driving her car around two weeks before she took ill and died. Unless she changed her driving habits in her old age, she must have been the terror of the Palm Beaches, because she had a lead foot. The sight of an 80-year-old grandma roaring down those streets...whew! When I visited her, I insisted on driving. That's a good life...was it Jan & Dean who sang 'Little Old Lady from Pasedina'? Neither mom nor dad had a drivers license their entire lives, and since mon turns 91 this fall, I doubt she ever will. :-) |
"John H" wrote in message ... How do you know they never apologized? Do you mean to say they never 'publicly' apologized? -- John H The parents of one of their victims said so this month in the local paper. Do you think it's the fault of the surviving parents...maybe not listening hard enough? |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... Didn't you guys seize a sovereign ship not too long ago? Are you referring to the contracted transport ship that had half our tanks, Coyotes, military vehicles, field pieces and threatened to hold them for ransom if we didn't ante up with more loonies...?/ Then...hell yes! |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:18:25 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . How do you know they never apologized? Do you mean to say they never 'publicly' apologized? -- John H The parents of one of their victims said so this month in the local paper. Do you think it's the fault of the surviving parents...maybe not listening hard enough? Which indicates they didn't apologize to the parents. They may well have apologized to the Canadian unit commander or other mates of the individuals. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"War is not healthy for children and other living things."
It's hypocritical to expect any armed force to behave in any manner that doesn't reflect the entire spectrum of personalities comprising the force itself. An unbalanced, homocidal, whack job who finds his or her way into the armed forces (and the vast majority of servicepeople cannot be so described) then becomes an unbalanced, homocidal, whack job with a gun, or a bomb, or a tank, or prison guard's uniform. The jerks killing off prisoners do not represent the military in general any more than the super-heroes who earn the Medal of Honor, etc. Most everybody is going to be somewhere between the two extremes, just like in "real life". |
"John H" wrote in message ... Which indicates they didn't apologize to the parents. They may well have apologized to the Canadian unit commander or other mates of the individuals. -- John H or to the barmaid at their local legion, or to their own families for putting them through this distasteful business......or maybe the guy on the street corner who bums for spare change... |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:37:17 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . Which indicates they didn't apologize to the parents. They may well have apologized to the Canadian unit commander or other mates of the individuals. -- John H or to the barmaid at their local legion, or to their own families for putting them through this distasteful business......or maybe the guy on the street corner who bums for spare change... Don, would it make a damn bit of difference to you? If they'd made a public apology, you'd be down on them 'cause it wasn't soon enough, or heartfelt enough, or not enough tears, or some damn thing. Do you really think they shot up a bunch of Canadians on purpose? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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"John H" wrote in message ... Don, would it make a damn bit of difference to you? If they'd made a public apology, you'd be down on them 'cause it wasn't soon enough, or heartfelt enough, or not enough tears, or some damn thing. Do you really think they shot up a bunch of Canadians on purpose? -- They disobeyed a direct order and displayed that 'shoot'em up cowboy attitude that creates disdain for the US military in many parts of the world. Of course they didn't bomb the Canadians on purpose....I don't think they really cared who they were blasting. It could have been Brits, or your own troops. If the US Military cared about it's image, it would discourage this type of yahoo. |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... No, this one..................................... Canada Seizes Spanish Vessel Texts 1 2 3 Chronicle Herald, March 10, 1995 You really dug back for that one.. The Spanish and Portugese were stealing fish off the Grand Banks. I guarantee if this happened in US waters, the outcome would have been worse. (we let them go after their gov'ts promised to do better) |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... You really dug back for that one.. The Spanish and Portugese were stealing fish off the Grand Banks. I guarantee if this happened in US waters, the outcome would have been worse. Don't make statements you have no knowledge of and cannot ever know. (we let them go after their gov'ts promised to do better) You let them go after the "World" exposed you as the pirates you are. Wally...go back to gouging chocolate. You're babbling. |
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:05:18 GMT, "Don White"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . Don, would it make a damn bit of difference to you? If they'd made a public apology, you'd be down on them 'cause it wasn't soon enough, or heartfelt enough, or not enough tears, or some damn thing. Do you really think they shot up a bunch of Canadians on purpose? -- They disobeyed a direct order and displayed that 'shoot'em up cowboy attitude that creates disdain for the US military in many parts of the world. Of course they didn't bomb the Canadians on purpose....I don't think they really cared who they were blasting. It could have been Brits, or your own troops. If the US Military cared about it's image, it would discourage this type of yahoo. You're babbling, Don. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
If you thought better of me you don't know *my* rules of engagement.
-W "John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:53:33 GMT, "Clams Canino" wrote: COOL!!!! -W "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody WASHINGTON -- Army officials will not prosecute seventeen U.S. soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military investigators had recommended the soldiers be court-martialed in three prisoner deaths. Charges ranged from making false statements to murder. Instead, Army officials decided either that force was lawfully used, that soldiers didn't understand the rules for using force or there wasn't enough evidence. Eleven other Army soldiers still face murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004. Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. - - - "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." We should expect at least a 100% conviction rate of soldiers investigated by soldiers. Hell, when civilians investigate civilians it happens, doesn't it? As eleven other soldiers are now facing murder charges, the premise of Harry's statement is bull****. I would expect as much from one who despises the military, but Clams... I'd have thought better of you. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
Correct...... it was "**** happens". I'm a firm believer in "err to the
side of caution". Or......... if in real doubt - shoot the ****er. -W "John H" wrote in message ... Hope you're right. I took it as agreement with Krause's 'Hate the Military' campaign. Clams, if Paul's impression was the correct one, please accept this apology! On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 07:22:31 -0500, Paul Schilter ""paulschilter\"@comcast dot net" wrote: John, Funny how people read things differently. I took Clams reply that he was in agreement that the soldiers shouldn't be prosecuted. I'm sure he'll clarify. Paul John H wrote: On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 06:53:33 GMT, "Clams Canino" wrote: COOL!!!! -W "HKrause" wrote in message ... Army Won't Prosecute 17 Soldiers In Detainee Deaths Army Says 27 Detainees Have Died While In U.S. Military Custody WASHINGTON -- Army officials will not prosecute seventeen U.S. soldiers involved in the deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military investigators had recommended the soldiers be court-martialed in three prisoner deaths. Charges ranged from making false statements to murder. Instead, Army officials decided either that force was lawfully used, that soldiers didn't understand the rules for using force or there wasn't enough evidence. Eleven other Army soldiers still face murder or other charges involving the deaths of detainees in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Army Criminal Investigation Command released a report Friday detailing the cases of 27 detainees killed in custody in Iraq and Afghanistan between August 2002 and November 2004. Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved. - - - "We've investigated ourselves and we've decided we're not guilty. After all, you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side." We should expect at least a 100% conviction rate of soldiers investigated by soldiers. Hell, when civilians investigate civilians it happens, doesn't it? As eleven other soldiers are now facing murder charges, the premise of Harry's statement is bull****. I would expect as much from one who despises the military, but Clams... I'd have thought better of you. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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