On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:54:43 -0500, HKrause
wrote:

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Might want to consider one of these beauties, made almost in your back yard.

http://www.stur-deeboat.com/sturdeecat.htm

They are ok boats. I might consider one.

Later,

Tom

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:51:33 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
There are folks in my family who want to investigate adding a sail
boat to the Short Wave fleet.

I'm considering one of those Sandpipers actually.

Later,

Tom

if you plan on drysailing off a trailer...or beaching etc....very
practical..
....if you plan on leaving it in the water all season, I'd also look at a
shoal keelboat like the Catalina (Capri) 18.
very similar in size & weight , except cockpit longer on the Capri and an
open cabin floor vs. the awkwark centerboard trunk on the 'Piper.

Duly noted.

Thanks.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:10:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:20 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me
out
a
few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
over.
Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he
wanted
me
to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.

Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.

It might. But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible. If you have
little ones on board, just don't do that. Unless you're in very high
winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.

Steve

Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if
they're
not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in
a
boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got
a
PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
automatic and absolute.

Totally agree with you Doug.

Don't start with me Tom. I'll find you and beat you to death with a
chocolate bunny.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:41:46 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:10:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:20 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me
out
a
few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
over.
Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he
wanted
me
to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.

Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.

It might. But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible. If you have
little ones on board, just don't do that. Unless you're in very high
winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.

Steve

Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if
they're
not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in
a
boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got
a
PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
automatic and absolute.

Totally agree with you Doug.

Don't start with me Tom. I'll find you and beat you to death with a
chocolate bunny.

I guess you told me, huh?

Later,

Tom

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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On 26 Mar 2005 19:49:45 -0800, "Ummmmm" wrote:

Hi. My old Sunfish died last winter --

I had one of these when I was 4. Nice little boats.



Why do you clutter this newsgroup with all these faked ID posts? It is so
juvenile.

I used to sail a Hobie, years back. Yes, I have pitchpoled it. Ouch.
I gave them up in favor of sailboards at the time, because I was
interested in going real fast, and I got fewer, smaller bruises hitting
the spars on a sailboard.
I think Hobies are great in light to medium wind. Maybe its just my
memories of insane speed sailing on them, but I guess I'd rather have a
singlehull.

.... But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible.

That's not true. It may be true of some catamarans, but not of the
classic Hobie 16, with it's low volume hulls, and it's *definitely* not
true of the old Hobie 14. I once pitchpoled a Hobie 14... over it's
sterns... in no wind at all, just sitting too far aft and not paying
close enough attention as the aft most part of the hulls snuck under water.

A Hobie 16 probably wouldn't capsize with both hulls planted, but it's
still possible in moderate conditions... I've seen one go over from a
motorboat wake that put the lee bow under...

... Unless you're in very high
winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.


30 knots??!?!?


Doug Kanter wrote:
Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if they're
not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in a
boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got a
PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
automatic and absolute.


Very good idea to get the kids as skilled & confident in the water as
possible. For one thing, it's very good exercise.

Capsizing is simply part of the sport of sailing small crew-ballasted
sailboats. It will happen... even if you only sail in fine weather, take
it calmly, never cleat the sheets, etc etc. There will always be the
risk of a sudden squall, unexpected wind shift, or the like. If one
cannot accept that, and learn capsize drills, then one should not be
sailing small boats.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Pitchpoled while in the "Low Rent Regatta" in Virginia Beach. Racing with a
friend on his new Hobie 16. What a rush, flying thru the air on the end of a
string! Neither of us hit the mast. At that point we were in third place of
probably 120 boats and ended up finishing about 40th.
I later bought a Boston Whaler "Supercat 17". Great boat. Hulls were more
like a Nacra, rounded on top and spilled water if dug in instead of
submarining like the flat top Hobie 16 hulls. Had a lot more buoyancy too, a
full battened main, no boom, and roller furling.
MMC
"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me out
a
few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
over.
Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he wanted
me
to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.

Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.

Ummmmm wrote:

Hi. My old Sunfish died last winter -- the transom has been patched
one time too many, finally fell off completely, so I am looking for a
new boat to replace it. I can get another Sunfish easily enough, but
I'd like to consider other options. The ones I have found are the
Vanguard Pico Plus, and the Esacpe Rumba / Escape 12. Anybody out
there have any experience with these, any other small sailboat (besides
the Sunfish) that I should look at?

I am a 230 lb, middle aged, not-so-athletic-anymore guy, with wife and
7 year old kid. It'd be nice to get us all on the boat, maybe,
sometimes. Usually it's just me and the kid. We live on Cape Cod
(windy), usually sail in ponds or harbors.

Any advice at all would be appreciated. Thanks.


Take a look at the Alcort Puffer, too. Maybe a Windmill, DC/Designers
Choice, Chrysler Pirateer. All small sloops, good for ponds & harbors.
I see quite a few cats & Sunfish out on open beaches, surprisingly,
like in the Truro area. For longer days, or more room on Long Pond or
larger harbors, you would love a trailerable O'Day 16 or 17. You'll
find the wife will come along more often with a dryer ride, too.

HEY! Look what just came up on Google... here's your next boat!

http://www.marinebrokerage.com/cgi-b...a.cgi/16oday76

Less than half the price of a new Sunfish, too.

Rob

"Steven Shelikoff" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:20 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me out
a
few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
over.
Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he wanted
me
to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.

Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.

It might. But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible. If you have
little ones on board, just don't do that. Unless you're in very high
winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.

Steve

Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if they're
not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in a
boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got a
PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
automatic and absolute.