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I'll bet Bush wished that Congress had stayed totally away from
Schiavo.
Passing that bill merely cornered him, he could not refuse to sign it
for
fear of ****ing off the Christian Right. Had he refused, he might have
taken
a bigger approval hit the other way. His last comments indicates he
just
wants this to go away.


He's not running for anything. Why should he care about how the Schiavo
case affects his poll ratings? The man is standing on principle, as is
his
brother (who *may* be running for something). Republicans (at the state
and
the federal level) who voted against any life-sustenance bill have sold
out
to insurance companies and hospital administrators.

I dissagee..... when Bush is standing on principle, he's adament and "on
about it". Best we got out of him here was "If we're going to err, we
should err on the side of life." That's hardly an "activist" position on
the
matter. And just today he was quick to come out with a set of comments
that
more or less equels "well that's that then" today when the Supreme Court
shot it down.

I'll bet like a lot of people, Bush is unsure exactly how to feel about
this, except that it sucks all around. While I personally feel that she's
a
breathing cadaver, I don't (too much) care if they leave her hooked up as
a
living science project for the next 10 years either. I don't think he has
a
real adament horse in this fight, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows that she
has
none at all. He just can't go against the parties general "right to life"
dogma when it runs up and bites him in the ass (like this case).

There's a difference between the Christian Right - and the Radical
Christian
Right. And this case kinda shows who's vocalizing where. Bush has a couple
agendas (like the SS reform bill) that's he wants to move on - Terry
Schiavo
is a side show he does not need when he has chosen his battles to fight.
He
understood that his election bought him some "political capitol" to spend.
And he seems to know it's limits. I don't think he wants to squander it on
high profile circus issues like this.


That's a pretty good assessment. We know where he stands on the issue...but
he's certainly not going to the mat over it.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 08:50:02 -0500, Dave Hall wrote:

On 24 Mar 2005 08:18:34 -0800, wrote:

I seldom have anyting positive to say about GWB. I admit it.

In the case of Terri S, Bush is doing what he thinks is right despite a
great political cost to himself and his party.
That's commendable.

According to a credible poll, about 2/3 of the people who self-identify
as conservatives and evagelicals (Bush's base) *oppose* congressional
intervention in the situation. As Bush cut short his vacation and flew
in his pajamas to sign the Sciavo bill at 1 AM, he rather obviously
supports federal intervention. Partially as a result, Bush's approval
rating has nosedived 6 points (from 49 percent to 43 percent). Good for
Bush, he's upholding his principles. When he does something admirable,
it should be noted just as much as his many screw-ups.


This is an interesting development from an ideological perspective.
Many people, who are died in the wool conservatives, strongly oppose
government intervention in this private matter. While many liberals,
who normally oppose Bush, suddenly herald his decision to intervene
for Terri's "rights".

This issue is not dividing down the usual party and ideological lines.

Dave

My thinking is that whoever took this case to court the first time has asked for
government intervention. The inclusion of the federal courts in the 'due
process' ladder seems only an extension of rights, not an intervention.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:59:38 -0600, Tamaroak wrote:

What's admirable about this? It's pure politics. If bush gave a ****
about these kind of people, he would fund medicaid instead of cutting
it. If he cared about life he would have pardoned SOMEBODY instead of
executing a record number in Texas.

Sorry, I can't see any humanitarian part of the man. Hell, she can't
even vote, but all those in the conservative base that support her do.

Capt. Jeff

A super example of a Bush-hating post. Little bearing on the subject, but lot's
of wrath. Harry K. would love this post!

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Tamaroak wrote:
What's admirable about this? It's pure politics. If bush gave a ****
about these kind of people, he would fund medicaid instead of cutting
it. If he cared about life he would have pardoned SOMEBODY instead of
executing a record number in Texas.

Sorry, I can't see any humanitarian part of the man. Hell, she can't
even vote, but all those in the conservative base that support her do.


What's really discouraging is that the religious right (actually, those
who depend on ignorant whackos for political support) are *already*
planning their campaign of outrage, based on the theory that "liberals"
are behind the "judicial activism" that let Terry Schiavo die.


John H wrote:
A super example of a Bush-hating post.

Really? Looks like simple fact to me.

Please post examples of President Bush's humitarian achievements.

... Little bearing on the subject, but lot's
of wrath.

Any minor criticism of President Bush, no matter how factual, looks to
you like "wrath."

DSK

He's pandering to the religious right.

He signed a bill that allows a 6 month old to be disconnected because
the parents can't pay. Was he doing "What he believes is correct" then?

The right is selling something they shouldn't be selling, interfering in
"people's private business", just like he campaigned against.


wrote:

I seldom have anyting positive to say about GWB. I admit it.

In the case of Terri S, Bush is doing what he thinks is right despite a
great political cost to himself and his party.
That's commendable.

According to a credible poll, about 2/3 of the people who self-identify
as conservatives and evagelicals (Bush's base) *oppose* congressional
intervention in the situation. As Bush cut short his vacation and flew
in his pajamas to sign the Sciavo bill at 1 AM, he rather obviously
supports federal intervention. Partially as a result, Bush's approval
rating has nosedived 6 points (from 49 percent to 43 percent). Good for
Bush, he's upholding his principles. When he does something admirable,
it should be noted just as much as his many screw-ups.



(March 24) -- More than two-thirds of people who describe themselves as
evangelicals and conservatives disapprove of the intervention by
Congress and President Bush in the case of the Terri Schiavo, the
brain-damaged woman at the center of a national debate.

A CBS News poll found that four of five people polled opposed federal
intervention, with levels of disapproval among key groups supporting
the GOP almost that high.

Bush's overall approval was at 43 percent, down from 49 percent last
month.

Over the weekend, Republicans in Congress pushed through emergency
legislation aimed at prolonging Schiavo's life by allowing the case to
be reviewed by federal courts. That bill was signed by the president
early Monday.

Most Americans say they feel sympathy for family members on both sides
of the dispute over the 41-year-old Schiavo, according to a CNN-USA
Today-Gallup poll.

More than eight in 10 in that poll said they feel sympathy for Bob and
Mary Schindler, parents of Schiavo, who want to keep her alive. And
seven in 10 said they're sympathetic for Michael Schiavo, the husband
of Schiavo who says she should be allowed to die.

The CBS News poll of 737 adults was taken Monday and Tuesday and the
CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll of 620 adults was taken Tuesday. Both have
margins of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.


03/24/05 08:32 EST

krause you fool

Bush has also saved the lives of on average 45,000 Iraqis per year since he
started this campaign. You fool,,,

How many more 9-11 do you need krause before you clue in??

Not too bright are you there krause,,,

Don't answer that krause,,, it would mean you are a liar,,, with more,,
more,, if possible,, more concrete proof.











"HKrause" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:
Tamaroak wrote:

What's admirable about this? It's pure politics. If bush gave a ****
about these kind of people, he would fund medicaid instead of cutting
it. If he cared about life he would have pardoned SOMEBODY instead of
executing a record number in Texas.

Sorry, I can't see any humanitarian part of the man. Hell, she can't
even vote, but all those in the conservative base that support her do.


What's really discouraging is that the religious right (actually, those
who depend on ignorant whackos for political support) are *already*
planning their campaign of outrage, based on the theory that "liberals"
are behind the "judicial activism" that let Terry Schiavo die.


John H wrote:

A super example of a Bush-hating post.


Really? Looks like simple fact to me.

Please post examples of President Bush's humitarian achievements.


Well, he has killed 100,000 Iraqis.
And you don't count the dead when Jesus is on your side.

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:01:22 -0500, DSK wrote:

Tamaroak wrote:
What's admirable about this? It's pure politics. If bush gave a ****
about these kind of people, he would fund medicaid instead of cutting
it. If he cared about life he would have pardoned SOMEBODY instead of
executing a record number in Texas.

Sorry, I can't see any humanitarian part of the man. Hell, she can't
even vote, but all those in the conservative base that support her do.


What's really discouraging is that the religious right (actually, those
who depend on ignorant whackos for political support) are *already*
planning their campaign of outrage, based on the theory that "liberals"
are behind the "judicial activism" that let Terry Schiavo die.


John H wrote:
A super example of a Bush-hating post.

Really? Looks like simple fact to me.

Please post examples of President Bush's humitarian achievements.

... Little bearing on the subject, but lot's
of wrath.

Any minor criticism of President Bush, no matter how factual, looks to
you like "wrath."

DSK

Sorry, Doug. I don't have the patience to put up with you.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Please post examples of President Bush's humitarian achievements.



John H wrote:
Sorry, Doug. I don't have the patience to put up with you.

In other words, another strike-out for the Bush cheerleaders. You can't
give any examples of charitable or humanitarian achievements of note.

Why can't you give reasons for your opinions? Most half-intelligent
people can. Are you totally guided by prejudice & hypocrisy?

DSK

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:59:16 -0500, DSK wrote:

Please post examples of President Bush's humitarian achievements.



John H wrote:
Sorry, Doug. I don't have the patience to put up with you.

In other words, another strike-out for the Bush cheerleaders. You can't
give any examples of charitable or humanitarian achievements of note.

Why can't you give reasons for your opinions? Most half-intelligent
people can. Are you totally guided by prejudice & hypocrisy?

DSK

No, I simply don't have Dave's patience. You can ascribe any meaning to that you
wish. Here, help yourself:

In other words,


In other words,


In other words,


In other words,

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

wrote:

Gould,
I have been trying to find medical information concerning Terri S. All
I
can find is info about why she should not be removed from feeding
tubes,
which seems to be based upon emotion, not medical facts.


Do you have any links?


*********

I doubt that you will find many medical records on line while she is
still (sort of) "living".

The medical case has been presented at least 20 times now, in various
state and federal courts, and judges who have been presented with the
medical evidence and implored by advocates for Terri S to find some
reason to keep her dead body breathing have all, without exception,
agreed that medical evidence supporting the possibility of recovery is
not available.

You sort of have to side with the doctors on the medical issues, and
the judges on the legal issues in cases such as this.


References re the Terri Schiavo Case

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html -- Best summary IMHO

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4358877.stm

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo...=531907&page=1

http://www.topix.net/news/terri-schiavo

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7231440/

Persistent Vegetative State --- not specific to TS

http://www.thalidomide.ca/gwolbring/pvsilm.htm

http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/921394859.html

http://www.xenos.org/ministries/cros.../donal/pvs.htm