"JimH" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:51:48 -0500, HKrause
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John H wrote:
On 21 Mar 2005 18:13:59 -0800, wrote:


So riddle me this:

Democratic administration. Elio Gonzales is living with some relatives
in FLA. Father is demanding return of Elio to his home in Cuba.
Democratic AG Janet Reno steps in and says the federal government has
the power to intervene in this family issue between the Dad and the FLA
relatives.......and the conservatives are so po'd they can't see
straight. The right wing says this is a family matter, should be
covered by state law, and the FEDGOV has no business interfering.

Republican administration. Terri Sciavo's husband and *nineteen* judges
in FLA state courts have said her brain dead body should no longer be
kept alive with a feeding tube. Congress
passes an emergency bill overriding the husband and the nineteen
decisions made by FLA state judges, and Bush flies back from Texas, in
his pajamas at 1:00 AM, to sign it.

What happened to being PO'd at the Federal government for intervening
in a family matter and the insistence that this should be decided at
the state level, not federal? Why is BIGGUMINT
suddenly better than carefully considered local decisions?

Could it be that there was political hay to be made by opposing the
FEDGOV in the Gonzales case, but that political haymaking is more
lucrative on the other side of the issue in the Sciavo situation?

Values should be consistent, not merely expedient.


Anything that is bad for the other side is good. Anything good (or
potentially
good) for the other side is bad.

Simple values.

It's the same rationale used for the posting of soldiers getting killed
in Iraq.


That's right. We shouldn't reminded that US men and women are dying
almost daily in Iraq, fighting Bush's dirty war.

BTW, the federal judge in Florida has turned down the request to
reinsert the brain-dead woman's feeding tube. Finally, a federal
official with a backbone.

Now, I suppose, the right-wing panderers will want the case certed to
the Eleventh Circuit in Atlanta...

Stay tuned.

I'll try to respond to you without the offensive invective you find so
necessary.

Scott Peterson case will go as high as the Supreme Court, if not
overturned
sooner. Why should Sciavo's not go as high?

She is entitled to due process, at least as much as Peterson.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Krause is once again taking joy in reporting about death, this time of not
only of our troops but also of the death sentence just handed down to
Terri Shiavo.


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One thing I can't stand about you right-wing nutbags is your perfect
willingness to twist facts and ignore scientific evidence whenever and
wherever it suits your needs.

As any competent internist would be more than happy to tell you is that
this sort of fracture response is a relatively common
osteoporosis-mediated response in comatose patients and is often a
result of prolonged tetanus (severe involuntary muscle contractions)
caused by electrolyte imbalance. I would point out that an electrolyte
imbalance is exactly what put this person in a vegetative coma to begin
with.

This nonsense is being propagated, purely, solely and only for
political gain, by the republican conservatives that are running our
country all to score more votes from the right-to-life hard-right
religious base.

This sad and painful nonsense is being orchestrated by George Bush and
his cohorts who, while he was Governor of Texas facilitated a bill
allowing for-profit hospitals to discontinue feeding, for comatose
patients who were indigent, broke, or whose health insurance had run
out - even against family wishes.

Bush is a callous and uncaring politician who works for the
uber-wealthy money changers who have polluted god's temple and who
personally doesn't give a rat's ass about the common working family
struggling to put bread on the table. Bush is nothing more than a
hypocrite who will surely burn in hell for his crimes. "it is easier
for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to
enter the gates of heaven".

Bush's cuts to medicare would ensure that people like Terri would
never even get 3 months of care much less for 14 years! In addition his
proposal to limit malpractice claims would mean that no one would be
able to claim the type of money that has kept Terri under 24-7 care for
the past 14 years. Terri is being made to needlessly suffer for nothing
more that cheap political shots to gather more republican votes. If she
wasn't famous and if her family hadn't been adopted by the
well-funded right-to-life coalition and if the republicans didn't
think they could score some votes, Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.

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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Free hint to the clueless...................it was Terri's parents that have
prolong the issue for the last decade.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:43:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

Why should she *not* have had as much protection as a convicted murderer?

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:43:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

Why should she *not* have had as much protection as a convicted murderer?

Why shouldn't congress decide how often you can get laid?

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:21:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:43:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

Why should she *not* have had as much protection as a convicted murderer?

Why shouldn't congress decide how often you can get laid?

Aw right!!! Considering the excesses of most Congressional decisions,
everybody will get busy by law!!!!

WHOO HOO!!!!

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:21:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:43:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

Why should she *not* have had as much protection as a convicted murderer?

Why shouldn't congress decide how often you can get laid?


I probably couldn't handle their decision!


--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:43:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

Why should she *not* have had as much protection as a convicted murderer?

--
John H


Exactly. As I said before folks on death row are afforded more rights than
Terri received.

Hopefully folks will now see the importance of having a Living Will and
being specific on how they define "life support".

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.