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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

Are visitors a requirement for existence?
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.


Real pizza comes from Costco.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

""'"""I had a new haven deja vu earlier today while downtown. Met a client
for
coffee on L Street, near 18th, a bit off the path for me, and walked by
a J. Press men's clothing store. Same damned madras and seersucker
jackets as when I went to school in new haven. I mean the same. Ties
were a little brighter.'''''''



typical one of krause's dreams which turns into lies.

deja vu,,, lol,,, krause you fool,,, met a client lol,,, who your probation
officer??? Met your little darling's ex husband??? You supporting him also
krause??? wonder where the little darling spends all her evenings??

krause,, you had no appointment with a client on L Street near 18th,, I will
bet you 1000.00 that you are a liar here krause.

So you had an appointment with a client in one shop,, and you are walking
down the street looking in the windows of clothing,, or even children's
clothing stores. lol,,, krause,,, give your head a shake already,,, see how
one lie leads you into others,,, lol,,,krause you are a fool.










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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach.
It seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she
had no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.


I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Reak pizza comes from Pepe's on Wooster Street in New Haven. Period.


Oh please.

Everybody knows that real pizza comes frozen in a box from Stop and
Shop.

New Haven - sheesh.

Anyone who really knows pizza knows New Haven.


One would have to assume that one would want to go to New Haven in the
first place.

Later,

Tom



Hey!

I had a new haven deja vu earlier today while downtown. Met a client for
coffee on L Street, near 18th, a bit off the path for me, and walked by a
J. Press men's clothing store. Same damned madras and seersucker jackets
as when I went to school in new haven. I mean the same. Ties were a
little brighter.

'"'''I wouldn't trust a doctor who backs up a Hannity position to squeegee
my
windshield."'''''


krause,, you couldn't afford to have anyone squeegee your or your little
darling's windshield. That is your job krause. That is your contribution to
the cause. The krause's cause. You have to feel helpful krause, not just the
lazy lying sponge that you are.








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but also of the death sentence of just handed down to
Terri Shiavo.

***********

According to all medical evidence, the light's on, but nobody's home.
The body can function if kept alive by artificial means, but the human
being died 15 years ago.

You often express opinions consistent with fundamental Christianity, is
there no comfort in your thought that she's on a cloud, playing a harp,
and watching all of this play out over her empty shell with just a bit
of a sad, wry smile?


NPR interview yesterday with a doctor who's considered one of the
country's foremost experts on head injuries. He said that when the damage
is the result of impact, like falls or car accidents, the chances for
recovery from a vegetative state are pretty good, and predictable. But,
when based on oxygen deprivation or chemical damage, prospects are lousy.

It's funny how some people can't accept what doctors know about this
woman's condition, but they're OK with meddling by a president whose
condition is pretty much identical, except that he can be propped up
behind a podium and programmed to say things when necessary.


On the other hand, Hannity had some doctor who had been nominated for a
Nobel
Prize (if that means anything) who stated that her chances of recovery
were
good, with the proper treatment.

Which doctor(s) does one believe?

I would probably agree with the NPR doctor, but again, that's based only
on what
I've heard or seen. Except for NYOB, who sticks needles into people's
cortex for
the fun of it, who knows (besides The Shadow, that is)?


I wouldn't trust a doctor who backs up a Hannity position to squeegee my
windshield.

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big snip of liebral whining

Terri would have been allowed to
pass on peacefully and gracefully a long time ago.


And this is Bush's fault how?

Clue: There is still some detritus who consider Bush to be their leader.
They drool and nod their heads in agreement every time he opens his mouth.
He should not have said one single word about the woman, and he should've
ordered his sitters and Congress to do exactly the same thing.

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.

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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just
before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye
and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all.
:)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had
no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know
it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

Odd - first time I ever ate at a Pizza Hut it was on Long Island.

Yeah, but nobody really goes there.

IF nobody goes there, why does it exist?

For people from the Midwest, or Washington DC, who think it's real pizza.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all. :)

-W



If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had no
mind to speak of.

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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What would please me greatly, would be that Terri Schivao, just before
she passes on, wakes up, looks her husband and parents in the eye and
says "You *******s".

Is was this post that led to my "black humor" Dominoes approach. It
seems
to me that her breath would be better spent ordering a meal is all. :)

If her first choice in pizza was Dominoes, that would be proof she had no
mind to speak of.

True - real pizza is only made at Pizza Hut.

I believe it may be illegal to say such a thing in Connecticut. I know it
will get your legs broken in Long Island.

JimH wrote:
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How many perspectives can there be when all the brain above the stem is
gone?

Sciavo's injury deprived the brain of oxygen. For 15 years! The stem,
at the base of the brain, controls heart and respiratory functions and
can initiate some reflexive motions. There is no capacity for thought,
for emotion, or for learning. Few people would ever look at Terri S and
say, "Please leave me in that condition for as long as I can hang on if
I ever suffer the same fate." There has been testimony from several
people that before the accident Terri had expressed a preference for
death vs. life as a vegetable if she was ever in the state that she is
in now.

Sciavo's parents may be like the retired folks we all know who turn a
household pet into a surrogate child or grandchild. Referrring to
thenselves as the dog's "Mom" or "Dad", dressing it up in goofy
clothes, and organizing daily life around its every need doesn't change
the basic fact that the dog is a dog. A dog has far more cognitive
ability than Terri Sciavo's breathing corpse has now, or will ever have
in the future.

If a miracle worker walked into her hospital room, healed her severed
spine, and turned the fluid in her skull back into functioning brain
cells she'd recover. Short of that, nothing could be done. Couldn't the
same thing be said about every one of he hundreds of thousands of
people in the same or similar situation every year? Should we keep
everybody in a persistant vegetative state and with no (reasonable)
hope of recovery alive forever, wishing and hoping for a miracle?



Did you listen to the interviews?

No one can say for sure what her mental condition is. And there are now
many questions about Michael Shiavo's past treatment of Terri.

One has to err on the side of life when dealing with human life.



That's why Bush and DeLay passed a law in Texas giving hospitals the
right to "pull the plug" when things look hopeless (and parents have run
out of money)

"Texas law allows hospitals to discontinue life-sustaining treatment,
even if a patient's family members disagree, under certain circumstances.

Under the statute, "Life-sustaining treatment" means treatment that,
based on reasonable medical judgment, sustains the life of a patient and
without which the patient will die. The term includes both
life-sustaining medications and artificial life support, such as
mechanical breathing machines, kidney dialysis treatment, and artificial
nutrition and hydration. [V.T.C.A., Health & Safety Code § 166.002]

Under the law, "A patient's inability to pay for medical care combined
with a prognosis that renders further care futile are two reasons a
hospital might suggest cutting off life support". Chief medical officer
at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston.

Last week, Sun, the 17-pound, nearly 6-month-old son of Wanda Hudson was
allowed to die in Houston's Texas Children's Hospital. Sun's death marks
the first time a U.S. judge has allowed a hospital to discontinue an
infant's life-sustaining care against a parent's wishes, according to
bioethical experts.

Another case involving a patient on life support — a 68-year-old man in
a chronic vegetative state whose family wants to stop St. Luke's
Episcopal Hospital from turning off his ventilator — is pending in Houston.

This statute was signed into law by then-governor George W. Bush.
Houston is in the Congressional District of GOP Whip Tom Delay. The same
Tom Delay who was the point man for the special law passed on behalf of
Terri Schiavo."

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How many perspectives can there be when all the brain above the stem is
gone?

Sciavo's injury deprived the brain of oxygen. For 15 years! The stem,
at the base of the brain, controls heart and respiratory functions and
can initiate some reflexive motions. There is no capacity for thought,
for emotion, or for learning. Few people would ever look at Terri S and
say, "Please leave me in that condition for as long as I can hang on if
I ever suffer the same fate." There has been testimony from several
people that before the accident Terri had expressed a preference for
death vs. life as a vegetable if she was ever in the state that she is
in now.

Sciavo's parents may be like the retired folks we all know who turn a
household pet into a surrogate child or grandchild. Referrring to
thenselves as the dog's "Mom" or "Dad", dressing it up in goofy
clothes, and organizing daily life around its every need doesn't change
the basic fact that the dog is a dog. A dog has far more cognitive
ability than Terri Sciavo's breathing corpse has now, or will ever have
in the future.

If a miracle worker walked into her hospital room, healed her severed
spine, and turned the fluid in her skull back into functioning brain
cells she'd recover. Short of that, nothing could be done. Couldn't the
same thing be said about every one of he hundreds of thousands of
people in the same or similar situation every year? Should we keep
everybody in a persistant vegetative state and with no (reasonable)
hope of recovery alive forever, wishing and hoping for a miracle?



Did you listen to the interviews?

No one can say for sure what her mental condition is. And there are now
many questions about Michael Shiavo's past treatment of Terri.

One has to err on the side of life when dealing with human life.



That's why Bush and DeLay passed a law in Texas giving hospitals the
right to "pull the plug" when things look hopeless (and parents have run
out of money)

"Texas law allows hospitals to discontinue life-sustaining treatment,
even if a patient's family members disagree, under certain circumstances.

Under the statute, "Life-sustaining treatment" means treatment that,
based on reasonable medical judgment, sustains the life of a patient and
without which the patient will die. The term includes both
life-sustaining medications and artificial life support, such as
mechanical breathing machines, kidney dialysis treatment, and artificial
nutrition and hydration. [V.T.C.A., Health & Safety Code § 166.002]

Under the law, "A patient's inability to pay for medical care combined
with a prognosis that renders further care futile are two reasons a
hospital might suggest cutting off life support". Chief medical officer
at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital, Houston.

Last week, Sun, the 17-pound, nearly 6-month-old son of Wanda Hudson was
allowed to die in Houston's Texas Children's Hospital. Sun's death marks
the first time a U.S. judge has allowed a hospital to discontinue an
infant's life-sustaining care against a parent's wishes, according to
bioethical experts.

Another case involving a patient on life support — a 68-year-old man in
a chronic vegetative state whose family wants to stop St. Luke's
Episcopal Hospital from turning off his ventilator — is pending in Houston.

This statute was signed into law by then-governor George W. Bush.
Houston is in the Congressional District of GOP Whip Tom Delay. The same
Tom Delay who was the point man for the special law passed on behalf of
Terri Schiavo."

" Tuuk" wrote in message
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kanter

What are you ,, on drugs??? you posted 5 times,,,

You claim to have so much experience in economics and boats yet you cannot
even properly operate a computer? Come on kanter ,,, give your head a
shake...

It must make you look foolish when you criticize someone,,, then you go
and screw up royally by posting the same post over and over and over and
over and over and over again. You fool.

I bet krause is scratching his bald head now with his dentures and
wondering whether to keep you as a puppet or not,,, you are bringing him
down,,, it that is even possible.

Give your empty head a shake kanter,,,,,,,,


I'm guessing you are on drugs. What is the matter with you, Mr. or Ms. Tuuk?
Do you have someone you can call for help?

" Tuuk" wrote in message
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kanter

What are you ,, on drugs??? you posted 5 times,,,

No, stupid. My ISP is having problems with their mail server. Any other
idiotic questions today?