On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:30:33 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0500, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser" wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional 30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan (but only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement savings. At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay the home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a good idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative balance, on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign of bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30. The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been, but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal quicker, while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it will be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly to the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being in debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home loan to
pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner, then it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than you do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


I expect he'll get very mum on this subject shortly.

Now he's going to threaten you for bringing his mum into this.

Oh ****! I hadn't thought of that.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

krause,, you were never connected,,,

I mean your own mother had 2 or 3 husbands, as you claimed. Your father,
well, he arrived in the west, in the New York harbor to a fire boat spray.
He crossed the Atlantic as you said in an outboard motor driven boat. lol,,,
ouch,, What did he do krause?? pack a couple lunches? Have a couple suite
cases? What was he running from krause,, hmmmmm interesting.

But look at the product of these two specimens. You have grown up to destroy
the family business, lose it, sold it all off and have nothing to show for
it. While Papa krause was developing a family business for his children to
carry on you joined two unions and preferred the union slob labor atmosphere
for your career. But as soon as you had your chance to take over the family
business, you liquidated it. lol,,, krause,,, what happened did the
employees form a union and force you out of business? Or is that one of the
union cards you hold,,,

krause,, you were never connected. Real World??? wow,,, krause,,, you really
have issues with the world,,,






"HKrause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...


That attitude will keep you angry and bitter at the entire world.



Huh??...................who's angry & bitter?



I dunno, some of these rightie fellas are a bit disconnected from the real
world, and others are a lot disconnected.

P.Fritz wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan (but
only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement savings.
At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay the
home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a good
idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative balance,
on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign of
bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30. The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been, but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly to
the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being in
debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home loan
to pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than you
do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


Hmm, so, let's see, if I am debt free, ALL of my surplus money can be
earning for me. If you are still in debt up to your ass, you don't have
near the surplus money, because you are paying someone else to use
their money. Hell, it's simple, even for you. Also, I see that you
still don't have the mental capacity to debate a subject without
childish name calling. Pretty pathetic.

P.Fritz wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0500, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
m...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan
(but only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to
put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal
on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an
extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement
savings. At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay
the
home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a
good idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior
to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative
balance, on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign
of bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30.
The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been,
but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal
quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will
be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly
to the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being
in debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a
car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same
principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea
isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home
loan to
pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then
it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than
you do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


I expect he'll get very mum on this subject shortly.

I doubt it, he has been beating his head against the wall about
this for
months. I think the basic problem (besides him being the "King
of the
NG idiots") is that if you are in the low end tax bracket, it may
not
make economic sense. Those in the highest brackets can see the
economic
benefits clearly.


Add to the above.........the choice of paying an extra 200 a month
to
your mortgage (money taken as income) or to your 401k
(pretax).........you take the 200 a month as income, at 33% and
you
netting 130 to the principal..(likely less than that because of
medicare
tax and and state and local income tax) .....saving you 2-1/2% of
that
amount..........in the meantime you could have taken the entire
200
pretax in a 401 or SEP even at a modest return of 5% a
year.....you are
going to be even further ahead.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

The funny thing is that asslciker claims to be self
employed.......anybody
that is self employed would realize the benefits of the pre tax
investment
(especially since they raise the limits of the SEP / 401K )

Uh, please, Fritz, show where I've ever said I didn't have any
investments? If I am debt free, I'll have more surplus money TO invest,
plain and simple.

NOYB wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0500, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan (but
only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal on
a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement
savings. At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay
the home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a good
idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior
to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative
balance, on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign of
bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30. The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been, but
I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly
to the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being in
debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a
car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home
loan to
pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than you
do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


I expect he'll get very mum on this subject shortly.

Now he's going to threaten you for bringing his mum into this.

You ARE an idiot, aren't you?

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0500, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan (but
only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal on
a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement
savings. At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay
the home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a good
idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior
to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative
balance, on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign of
bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30. The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been, but
I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly
to the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being in
debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a
car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home
loan to
pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than you
do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


I expect he'll get very mum on this subject shortly.

Now he's going to threaten you for bringing his mum into this.

You ARE an idiot, aren't you?


Just 12 minutes prior to you calling NOYB an idiot you posted this:

"I see you still aren't smart enough to debate a subject without
childish name calling. "

Do you see a problem here Kevin?

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

P.Fritz wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0500, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
m...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan
(but only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to
put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal
on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an
extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement
savings. At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay
the
home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a
good idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior
to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative
balance, on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign
of bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30.
The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been,
but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal
quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will
be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly
to the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being
in debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a
car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same
principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea
isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home
loan to
pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then
it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than
you do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


I expect he'll get very mum on this subject shortly.

I doubt it, he has been beating his head against the wall about
this for
months. I think the basic problem (besides him being the "King
of the
NG idiots") is that if you are in the low end tax bracket, it may
not
make economic sense. Those in the highest brackets can see the
economic
benefits clearly.


Add to the above.........the choice of paying an extra 200 a month
to
your mortgage (money taken as income) or to your 401k
(pretax).........you take the 200 a month as income, at 33% and
you
netting 130 to the principal..(likely less than that because of
medicare
tax and and state and local income tax) .....saving you 2-1/2% of
that
amount..........in the meantime you could have taken the entire
200
pretax in a 401 or SEP even at a modest return of 5% a
year.....you are
going to be even further ahead.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

The funny thing is that asslciker claims to be self
employed.......anybody
that is self employed would realize the benefits of the pre tax
investment
(especially since they raise the limits of the SEP / 401K )

Uh, please, Fritz, show where I've ever said I didn't have any
investments? If I am debt free, I'll have more surplus money TO invest,
plain and simple.


Investing money 17 years from now when your mortgage is paid off will do you
very little good. You'll be missing 17 years of compounding interest. You
keep forgetting that your house is an investment that continues to grow in
value even if you don't pay one dime in principle. Conversely, your pension
plan needs a constant influx of money in order to reach a value that can
sustain you in your retirement.

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

P.Fritz wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan (but
only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement savings.
At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay the
home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a good
idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative balance,
on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign of
bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30. The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been, but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly to
the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being in
debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home loan
to pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than you
do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


Hmm, so, let's see, if I am debt free, ALL of my surplus money can be
earning for me.

But you won't be debt free for 17 years, and by that time you'll be just a
few short years from retirement. Even if you save 75% of your salary for
those few short years, you'll have missed out on 17 years of compounding
interest.

Haven't you ever seen the example where two people contribute $2000/year to
their simple IRA for equal number of years? The first guy starts
contributing at age 18, and the second guy waits until age 30 to start his
contributions. They both contribute the same net amount (I think the
example that I saw was $2000 per year for 16 years...meaning each
contributed $32000). By age 62, and despite equal amounts of contributions,
the first guy has four times as much in his retirement fund than the second
guy.


If you are still in debt up to your ass, you don't have
near the surplus money, because you are paying someone else to use
their money. Hell, it's simple, even for you. Also, I see that you
still don't have the mental capacity to debate a subject without
childish name calling. Pretty pathetic.

You mean like calling me stupid?

"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

P.Fritz wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
.net...

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:22:04 -0500, "P.Fritz"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
m...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan
(but only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to
put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal
on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an
extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement
savings. At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay
the
home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a
good idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior
to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative
balance, on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign
of bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30.
The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been,
but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal
quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will
be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly
to the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being
in debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a
car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same
principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea
isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home
loan to
pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then
it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than
you do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


I expect he'll get very mum on this subject shortly.

I doubt it, he has been beating his head against the wall about
this for
months. I think the basic problem (besides him being the "King
of the
NG idiots") is that if you are in the low end tax bracket, it may
not
make economic sense. Those in the highest brackets can see the
economic
benefits clearly.


Add to the above.........the choice of paying an extra 200 a month
to
your mortgage (money taken as income) or to your 401k
(pretax).........you take the 200 a month as income, at 33% and
you
netting 130 to the principal..(likely less than that because of
medicare
tax and and state and local income tax) .....saving you 2-1/2% of
that
amount..........in the meantime you could have taken the entire
200
pretax in a 401 or SEP even at a modest return of 5% a
year.....you are
going to be even further ahead.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner!

The funny thing is that asslciker claims to be self
employed.......anybody
that is self employed would realize the benefits of the pre tax
investment
(especially since they raise the limits of the SEP / 401K )

Uh, please, Fritz, show where I've ever said I didn't have any
investments? If I am debt free, I'll have more surplus money TO invest,
plain and simple.


Investing money 17 years from now when your mortgage is paid off will do
you very little good. You'll be missing 17 years of compounding interest.
You keep forgetting that your house is an investment that continues to
grow in value even if you don't pay one dime in principle. Conversely,
your pension plan needs a constant influx of money in order to reach a
value that can sustain you in your retirement.


That boy continues to prove he is dumber than a tree stump

"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

P.Fritz wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
On 23 Mar 2005 10:57:44 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 09:44:18 -0800, "basskisser"
wrote:


John H wrote:
On 23 Mar 2005 05:01:54 -0800, "basskisser"

wrote:


NOYB wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
But, I thought that you had to get an interest only
loan?????


The bank was offering me either loan...conventional, or
interest-only.

I chose the interest only loan over the conventional
30-year
fixed,
because
it gives me the option to pay principal on the loan (but
only
if
*I
*decide
to do so). Right now, it makes more sense for me to put
$25-30k
per
year
away in a qualified pension plan than to pay principal on a
home
mortgage.
In 4 1/2 years, I'll only be 38...and I'll have an extra
$6000/mo
(before
taxes) to put towards principal and/or retirement savings.
At
that
time, I
can get a 20 year conventional fixed mortgage, and pay the
home
off
before
I'm 60.


Yeah, sure, whatever.......

basskisser, is that the best you can do when you see a good
idea
put
in place?
--
John H

No, but you know how NOYB is, no sense in trying to make him
think
anything other than what he does, says, where he lives, his
occupation,
his thoughts, and on and on, are anything less than superior to
anyone
else in the universe. Just ask him! Now, as far as a "good
idea",
he's
admitted himself that he is financially stretched tight.

My daughter has commented to me about having a negative balance,
on
occasion, in
my checkbook. To her, who has bounced a check to me, this was
really
something
to 'catch her dad' with.

There are times when it is beneficial to one's longer term
interests
to be
somewhat 'stretched tight'. That is not, necessarily, a sign of
bad
financial
management. I financed my house for 15 years instead of 30. The
additional
payment amount stretched me a little more than I had been, but I
think that the
long term benefits will be worth the stretch.

Ah, now, paying off a loan quickly is right the opposite of an
interest
only loan! You are purposefully paying off the principal quicker,
while
he isn't paying ANY of it off. I've got a 30 year fixed, and it
will be
paid off in 17 years because of extra payments applied directly to
the
principal. I don't care what anybody says, I don't like being in
debt.
I don't take out car loans, I save until I have cash to buy a car,
therefore I don't pay anybody to use their money. Same principal.

Well, once you read my other post you'll see why your idea isn't
necessarily the
best.

If he us using the money he saved on the principle of the home loan
to pay
off
the business loan (with perhaps a higher interest rate) sooner,
then it
seems as
though he's doing a smart thing.

Wouldn't you think that he knows more about his finances than you
do?

A tree stump knows more about finances than the "King"

Paying off the house early is like buying a 2-1/2% bond.


Hmm, so, let's see, if I am debt free, ALL of my surplus money can be
earning for me.

But you won't be debt free for 17 years, and by that time you'll be just a
few short years from retirement. Even if you save 75% of your salary for
those few short years, you'll have missed out on 17 years of compounding
interest.

Haven't you ever seen the example where two people contribute $2000/year
to their simple IRA for equal number of years? The first guy starts
contributing at age 18, and the second guy waits until age 30 to start his
contributions. They both contribute the same net amount (I think the
example that I saw was $2000 per year for 16 years...meaning each
contributed $32000). By age 62, and despite equal amounts of
contributions, the first guy has four times as much in his retirement fund
than the second guy.


If you are still in debt up to your ass, you don't have
near the surplus money, because you are paying someone else to use
their money. Hell, it's simple, even for you. Also, I see that you
still don't have the mental capacity to debate a subject without
childish name calling. Pretty pathetic.

You mean like calling me stupid?

Once again, asslicker proves why he is te "King of the NG idiots"

He is so dense, he will never comprehend the simple economics of the issue.