Scott:
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You're the only one suggesting that disabled kids be "stuck in a class
that
is not intended for their learning needs." I've never even hinted at
such a
plan.
==============

And KMAN hasn't said you did. He's just reporting on the realities.

frtzw906

Scott, intending to be argumentative, but detracting from the
discussion:
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Oh, what great socialization that is. So the rest of the class
follows the
teacher at the front doing their Grade 12 lessons, and the kid at the
back
sits in the corner with a TA doing his Grade 2 lessons. Yessir, that
will
develop a profound mutual respect and open up all sorts of social
opportunities.

You're the only one making such a suggestion, and it's demeaning and
bigoted
of you to do so because you use a blanket characterization (and a
largely
incorrect one at that) to disparage all disabled students.
======================

I think *everyone* knows exactly what KMAN is talking about. There's
nothing at all disparaging about his suggestions as they pertain to
individuals with profound intellectual disabilities.

frtzw906

Scott:
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Thus are the vicissitudes of a public school education. When you suck
at the
public teat, you get the same pabulum everybody else does, and in
public
schools, the curriculum is quite often concocted to serve the lowest
common
denominator. Pity about that, but that's socialism for you.
================

Whoops! May I remind you one more time about the superior learning
outcomes for the Canadian school system.

frtzw906

Scott:
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Scholars truly interested in, and deserving of a college education
don't
usually get there through the public school system. When they do, it's
in
*spite* of the public schools, not because of them.
=============

Is that a true reflection of the American system, Scott?

From a Canadian perspective you're wrong: The vast majority of
"Scholars truly interested in, and deserving of a college education
*do* usually get there through the public school system"

frtzw906

Scott:
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(with no apology whatever to Janis Ian, one of my comrades in arms)

I wouldn't choose to go through it again, but I'm a better person for
having
done so.
==============

"How do you do? My name is Sue! ...


With apologies to Johnny Cash.

frtzw906

"Scott Weiser" wrote in message
...
A Usenet persona calling itself William R. Watt wrote:


don't you guys knwo how to edit out old verbiage?

Stephen Hawking does not have an intellectual disability. I haven't been

He was in no way disabled as a child.

I disagree with forcing kids to "socialize". It can be terribly traumatic
to an intelligent sensitive mind. If a kid want's to be alone with his or
her thoughts then leave him or her be.

Bad idea. It results in isolated, depressed, socially-inept people who are
rarely successful or happy in later life.

Sometimes it ends up in suicide.

That's what mainstreaming does, because it teaches the person with a
disability that they are useless (since they are just filling up space
watching someone else's curriculum) and it teaches the non-disabled peers
the same thing (since they can see that the person is just filling up
space).

Scott to KMAN:
================
I'm talking about students with intellectual disabilitiesin high
school, and
have been throughout.

Yes, you've been trying manfully to divert the discussion, but I'm not
playing.
====================

Scott, the discussion you wish to have may/will be useful, but it is
disingenuous to accuse KMAN of trying to divert it. You're the one
doing the diverting (and that's OK, it just complicates the issue).

frtzw906

Scott:
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I never suggested that any child should be compelled to attend public
school
if private schools are an option, I merely state that for those who
must,
perforce, attend public school, they ought to be required to assist
those in
need as a part of the curriculum.
================

Good thing I was an ornery-enough SOB to raise **** so as to curtail
such practises as far as they concerned my kids.

Hey! Come to think of it, it was more like a private school after I got
through with the principal. Isn't it great what bossy parents can do?
GRIN

frtzw906

Scott:
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I made no such presumption. The context was a student (and many more
like her), who repeatedly interrupted classroom activities with
violent
vocal and physical outbursts.

That's a hindrance!

Nope. It's an opportunity likely combined with a cry for help
================

The other students got the point by day 2. Next opportunity please.

frtzw906

Scott:
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Yes, we were having a beer while watching fireworks. When I enquired
about the brighter girl being at private school, that's the reason
given. Good enough for you?

Nope.

Name, address, phone number.
=============

Have you so little regard for privacy?

frtzw906