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Seattle Harbor Cop Dies in Ship Canal
One of our feature writers has a close relationship with SHP. She has
done some personality profiles on a few of the officers and they often feed her a bit of news. Marilyn called me soon after the officer died this afternoon to ask if she should write a memorial for the next issue. (Of course). She was only slightly acquainted with this particular harbor patrolman, but the officers she knows well seem to be very upset about losing a brother-officer and coworker. There were very strong winds today. First southerlies, then a "hole" in storm, and by midafternoon strong northerlies with hail. There was a time when there were three cops in a patrol boat, but it sounds like there were only two today. I wonder if the anti-tax crowd forced a cutback in personnel? One guy on shore, the other standing at the waterline aboard a patrol boat on the other side of a large tug.......probably no line of sight between them. What a shame the second patrolman couldn't get to the victim before he had been underwater ten minutes. What a shame in every way. You have to feel particularly sorry for the widow and the baby. |
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"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Seattle Police Officer Killed After Falling Into Ship Canal Police work can be dangerous at any time. For the last week the Canadian media has been full of the murder of four Mounties at a gun nut's marijuana grow farm. |
Jees. Trying hard aren't you Chuck? What *won't* you use to make a
political point? ********* ????????? We used to see three patrolmen in a boat. Now we're down to two, making it more difficult for the patrolmen to keep one another in sight or in comunication at all times. Had two patrolmen been sent ashore to try and secure the lines while the third held it in place with the patrolboat, its possible that the officer would not have slipped or that somebody could have responded before he had been underwater for ten minutes. When tax roll-backs force cuts in police and fire protection around here, it's often the boaters who see services cut first and most drastically. Example: Tacoma Washington had to reduce the payroll in the Fire Department a few years back, and the solution? Shut down the fireboat station, "cross train" members of other stations to do various jobs on the fireboat, and "mothball" one of the two fireboats. It got to the point where if there was a marine fire alarm or other emergency, the fireboat had to wait at the dock until the entire "crew" arrived from locations all over town to get underway. People who are always automatically so anti-tax *should* realize that understaffing our police and fire departments often puts the officers in jeopardy as well as impacts the level of service available to the community. What's so "poltical" about that? |
wrote in message ups.com... Jees. Trying hard aren't you Chuck? What *won't* you use to make a political point? ********* ????????? We used to see three patrolmen in a boat. Now we're down to two, making it more difficult for the patrolmen to keep one another in sight or in comunication at all times. Had two patrolmen been sent ashore to try and secure the lines while the third held it in place with the patrolboat, its possible that the officer would not have slipped or that somebody could have responded before he had been underwater for ten minutes. When tax roll-backs force cuts in police and fire protection around here, it's often the boaters who see services cut first and most drastically. Example: Tacoma Washington had to reduce the payroll in the Fire Department a few years back, and the solution? Shut down the fireboat station, "cross train" members of other stations to do various jobs on the fireboat, and "mothball" one of the two fireboats. It got to the point where if there was a marine fire alarm or other emergency, the fireboat had to wait at the dock until the entire "crew" arrived from locations all over town to get underway. People who are always automatically so anti-tax *should* realize that understaffing our police and fire departments often puts the officers in jeopardy as well as impacts the level of service available to the community. What's so "poltical" about that? LOL! Somehow I knew a "Who, me?" response would be coming from Chuck. |
JimH wrote:
LOL! Somehow I knew a "Who, me?" response would be coming from Chuck. ********** Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? Do you have anything of substance to add to this discussion, either the tragedy itself or the risks associated with reducing staff in certain public service occupations? Or, have you contributed to the extent of your interests and abilities with the petty personal comment? |
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wrote in message ups.com... JimH wrote: LOL! Somehow I knew a "Who, me?" response would be coming from Chuck. ********** Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? Do you have anything of substance to add to this discussion, either the tragedy itself or the risks associated with reducing staff in certain public service occupations? Or, have you contributed to the extent of your interests and abilities with the petty personal comment? Sort of like these comments *you*made today? =============================== 1. You're slipping, Jim Making remarks about liberals in general is only one small step away from making specific personal remarks and falling back into the name-calling, etc, for which you recently apologized. ============================= 2. Start at the top. Read slowly. ============================== 3. Aren't you among the crowd normally critical of editing cut 'n paste before posting? =================== 4. Looks like you hope to create a mountain out of a molehill on this item. Are you aching so badly to find some excuse to begin acting up again? ================================ Now what is that saying about people in glass houses Chuck? |
"John H" wrote in message ... On 17 Mar 2005 08:35:46 -0800, wrote: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? An even more interesting question might be, "How does a properly fitted and fastened life vest go floating away?" But, that wouldn't be making a political point would it? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." Chuck would never do such a thing....or so he constantly says. ;-) |
John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 08:35:46 -0800, wrote: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? The only group would be, "People who are always automatically so anti-tax" If the shoe fits...... An even more interesting question might be, "How does a properly fitted and fastened life vest go floating away?" How do you know it was "properly fitted and fastened", John? |
John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 09:32:06 -0800, wrote: John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 08:35:46 -0800, wrote: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? The only group would be, "People who are always automatically so anti-tax" If the shoe fits...... An even more interesting question might be, "How does a properly fitted and fastened life vest go floating away?" How do you know it was "properly fitted and fastened", John? That *is* the question, isn't it??? [Thanks!] No, John, please learn to comprehend what you, yourself has asked. You asked HOW DOES a properly fitted and fastened...... You didn't ask IF is was properly fitted and fastened, etc. By the way, sliding down jagged rip-rap rocks could certainly rip a properly fitted and fastened life vest from a person, allowing it to "go floating away". |
"John H" wrote in message ... On 17 Mar 2005 09:32:06 -0800, wrote: John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 08:35:46 -0800, wrote: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? The only group would be, "People who are always automatically so anti-tax" If the shoe fits...... An even more interesting question might be, "How does a properly fitted and fastened life vest go floating away?" How do you know it was "properly fitted and fastened", John? That *is* the question, isn't it??? [Thanks!] -- John H LOL, that is too funny. |
wrote in message ups.com... Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? I recommend JimH try boating. Then he may have something positive to contribute. |
On 17 Mar 2005 10:32:47 -0800, wrote:
John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 09:32:06 -0800, wrote: John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 08:35:46 -0800, wrote: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? The only group would be, "People who are always automatically so anti-tax" If the shoe fits...... An even more interesting question might be, "How does a properly fitted and fastened life vest go floating away?" How do you know it was "properly fitted and fastened", John? That *is* the question, isn't it??? [Thanks!] No, John, please learn to comprehend what you, yourself has asked. You asked HOW DOES a properly fitted and fastened...... You didn't ask IF is was properly fitted and fastened, etc. By the way, sliding down jagged rip-rap rocks could certainly rip a properly fitted and fastened life vest from a person, allowing it to "go floating away". 'Rip rap rocks?' From whence came that? Have you been there and seen the canal? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"HarryKrause" wrote in message ... For Hertvik to try boating, he'd have to get a boat. I'd be willing to sell him my Parker. He talks about boating in the future....but not in the area he's in now. Very suspicious! Do you think the local Coast Guard declared him incompetent and a hazard to safe navigation. |
Harry,
Then you would be boatless. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? I recommend JimH try boating. Then he may have something positive to contribute. For Hertvik to try boating, he'd have to get a boat. I'd be willing to sell him my Parker. |
John H wrote:
'Rip rap rocks?' From whence came that? Because that is what the banks of that canal are made of you cretin. Rick |
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:47:52 -0500, "Dr. Dr. John Smith"
wrote: Harry, Then you would be boatless. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? I recommend JimH try boating. Then he may have something positive to contribute. For Hertvik to try boating, he'd have to get a boat. I'd be willing to sell him my Parker. eeewwwww -- low blow! -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 22:04:53 GMT, Rick wrote:
John H wrote: 'Rip rap rocks?' From whence came that? Because that is what the banks of that canal are made of you cretin. Rick The portion I remember was constructed of blocks and mortar. Perhaps that's changed. Rip rap would provide a decent surface for footing, whereas the other would be easy to slide on. But, as a cretin, my memory may be shoddy. Sometimes my hypothyroidism manifests itself with a memory lapse. It has definitely stunted my growth. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"John H" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:47:52 -0500, "Dr. Dr. John Smith" wrote: Harry, Then you would be boatless. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? I recommend JimH try boating. Then he may have something positive to contribute. For to try boating, he'd have to get a boat. I'd be willing to sell him my Parker. eeewwwww -- low blow! -- John H Krause? Not worth my time. |
John H wondered:
People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? ************** How can you be confused? I clearly defined the group as "people who are always automatically so anti-tax". Does that constitute a "political group"? Which one? I think there are anti-tax fanatics in many different groups. |
Seattle Harbor Cop Dies in Ship Canal Group: rec.boats Date: Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 10:04pm (PST+8) From: (Rick) John H wrote: 'Rip rap rocks?' From whence came that? Because that is what the banks of that canal are made of you cretin. Rick Ahem, Not sure why you would call him a cretin for asking a simple question, but in any event to be technical about it, The ship canal banks are concrete bulkheads with rip-rap thrown in later to keep from undermining the original concrete bulkhead, and as you probably know this time of year the water levels are pretty low exposing most of the rip-rap. No matter, Still sad to hear about losing an HPU guy. UD |
Sections of the canal that are slab sided include the reach between the
Fremont Bridge and Salmon Bay, as well as the Montlake "cut". The area where the tragedy occured has a rock embankment. |
wrote in message oups.com... John H wondered: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? ************** How can you be confused? I clearly defined the group as "people who are always automatically so anti-tax". Does that constitute a "political group"? Which one? I think there are anti-tax fanatics in many different groups. For Chuck: Sing to the music of "Turn, turn, turn" by the Byrds ========================= With every post, I...spin...spin...spin... There is no reason, but I ....spin...spin....spin And I hope my spins will be believed and not disputed A time to lie, a time to deny A time to spin, a time to grin A time for truth, never since my youth A time to laugh, a time to weep All based on my spins. spins, spins With every post, I...... ===================================== Enjoy. |
Following me around to make personal remarks must be very boring.
Perhaps you should take up an actual hobby. May I suggest boating? You may want to start off, at least initially, with some adult supervision. |
wrote in message oups.com... Following me around to make personal remarks must be very boring. Perhaps you should take up an actual hobby. May I suggest boating? You may want to start off, at least initially, with some adult supervision. More insults from Chuck Gould who always places himself above that sort of thing. Here is a song just for you Chuck: Sing to the music of "Turn, turn, turn" by the Byrds ========================= With every post, I...spin...spin...spin... There is no reason, but I ....spin...spin....spin And I hope my spins will be believed and not disputed A time to lie, a time to deny A time to spin, a time to grin A time for truth, never since my youth A time to laugh, a time to weep All based on my spins. spins, spins With every post, I...... ===================================== Enjoy. |
gould types have no lower threshold, anything goes.
********* Well that's a fact. You know how much of a low life piece of crap I *could be*? I could pick a single line, out of context, in a several paragraph expression of regret that a local policeman died in the line of duty. I could pick a line that noted that staffing seems to have been cut back on the patrol boats, and a line that wondered whether anti-tax sentiments had forced a reduction in personnel. Then, if I were truly a pig headed, futher mucking, ignorant piece of useless humanity rattling down a junkpile of discarded intellects, I would use that line, extracted out of context, read meanings into it that were never stated or intended, and accuse the writer of trying to politicize a tragedy. Then, if I were *even lower* than a pig headed, futher mucking, ignorant piece of useless humanity rattling down a junkpile of discarded intellects, I would "pile on". You're absolutely right Wally, there's no limit to how low I could go. If I go low enough, I'll find some people like I just described, I'm sure. |
wrote in message oups.com... gould types have no lower threshold, anything goes. ********* Well that's a fact. You know how much of a low life piece of crap I *could be*? I could pick a single line, out of context, in a several paragraph expression of regret that a local policeman died in the line of duty. I could pick a line that noted that staffing seems to have been cut back on the patrol boats, and a line that wondered whether anti-tax sentiments had forced a reduction in personnel. Then, if I were truly a pig headed, futher mucking, ignorant piece of useless humanity rattling down a junkpile of discarded intellects, I would use that line, extracted out of context, read meanings into it that were never stated or intended, and accuse the writer of trying to politicize a tragedy. Then, if I were *even lower* than a pig headed, futher mucking, ignorant piece of useless humanity rattling down a junkpile of discarded intellects, I would "pile on". You're absolutely right Wally, there's no limit to how low I could go. If I go low enough, I'll find some people like I just described, I'm sure. Sing to the music of "Turn, turn, turn" by the Byrds ========================= With every post, I...spin...spin...spin... There is no reason, but I ....spin...spin....spin And I hope my spins will be believed and not disputed A time to lie, a time to deny A time to spin, a time to grin A time for truth, never since my youth A time to laugh, a time to weep All based on my spins. spins, spins With every post, I...... ===================================== Enjoy. |
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:19:51 -0500, "JimH" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 15:47:52 -0500, "Dr. Dr. John Smith" wrote: Harry, Then you would be boatless. "HarryKrause" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ups.com... Following me around to make personal remarks must get very boring. May I suggest you consider an actual hobby of some kind? I recommend JimH try boating. Then he may have something positive to contribute. For to try boating, he'd have to get a boat. I'd be willing to sell him my Parker. eeewwwww -- low blow! -- John H Krause? Not worth my time. Not you. Dr. John. See about five lines up. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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Seattle Harbor Cop Dies in Ship Canal Group: rec.boats Date: Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 3:38pm From: Sections of the canal that are slab sided include the reach between the Fremont Bridge and Salmon Bay, as well as the Montlake "cut". The area where the tragedy occured has a rock embankment. Chuck, I believe you're correct, The 100' or so spot that tug, and the other small one that used to be rafted outboard is indeed a rock embankment. Thanks, UD |
"JimH" wrote in message ... Here is a song just for you Chuck: Sing to the music of "Turn, turn, turn" by the Byrds ========================= With every post, I...spin...spin...spin... There is no reason, but I ....spin...spin....spin snip ......................insert theme to 'Twilight Zone' and run screaming for the door. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... ========================= With every post, I...spin...spin...spin... There is no reason, but I ....spin...spin....spin And I hope my spins will be believed and not disputed A time to lie, a time to deny A time to spin, a time to grin snip JimH 1919-2005 Tragically flushed down the toilet. Dissolve In Peace |
Don White wrote:
JimH 1919-2005 Tragically flushed down the toilet. Dissolve In Peace ***************** That's probably the right solution. Ignoring him means that only one person is acting like a ridiculous asshole, but responding runs the risk of stooping to his level and suddenly creating a second. Another dry drunk, (reformed flamer), falls off the wagon and back into the dungheap. No surpise. |
wrote in message oups.com... Don White wrote: JimH 1919-2005 Tragically flushed down the toilet. Dissolve In Peace ***************** That's probably the right solution. Ignoring him means that only one person is acting like a ridiculous asshole, but responding runs the risk of stooping to his level and suddenly creating a second. Another dry drunk, (reformed flamer), falls off the wagon and back into the dungheap. No surpise. Ridiculous asshole ..... aren't you being a little hard on yourself? |
wrote in message oups.com... That's probably the right solution. You just can't stand being challenged on your views or your subsequent spins, now can you. Killfile me for all I care. It will show I was correct in my assumption. |
Dr. Dr. John Smith wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Don White wrote: JimH 1919-2005 Tragically flushed down the toilet. Dissolve In Peace ***************** That's probably the right solution. Ignoring him means that only one person is acting like a ridiculous asshole, but responding runs the risk of stooping to his level and suddenly creating a second. Another dry drunk, (reformed flamer), falls off the wagon and back into the dungheap. No surpise. Ridiculous asshole ..... aren't you being a little hard on yourself? I knew the right wingers here couldn't stop name calling. It's all they have. How low can you go? |
John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 10:32:47 -0800, wrote: John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 09:32:06 -0800, wrote: John H wrote: On 17 Mar 2005 08:35:46 -0800, wrote: People who are always automatically so anti-tax ... Gee, who would these be Chuck? Surely you're not referring to one political group are you? The only group would be, "People who are always automatically so anti-tax" If the shoe fits...... An even more interesting question might be, "How does a properly fitted and fastened life vest go floating away?" How do you know it was "properly fitted and fastened", John? That *is* the question, isn't it??? [Thanks!] No, John, please learn to comprehend what you, yourself has asked. You asked HOW DOES a properly fitted and fastened...... You didn't ask IF is was properly fitted and fastened, etc. By the way, sliding down jagged rip-rap rocks could certainly rip a properly fitted and fastened life vest from a person, allowing it to "go floating away". 'Rip rap rocks?' From whence came that? Have you been there and seen the canal? -- John H Uh, perhaps I did a little simple research????? |
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