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"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion. Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran. So what is your point Jim? Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way? No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link. Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? Convienent memory! -- No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam? I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international politics. Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal with other Countries? From your favorite news source http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html "The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program." Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative? Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma? OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world. I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior. Great. Bush is doing good....eh? I'll give him this one During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nothing has changed. Your point is? Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea? We already are. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days. Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan Your point is? The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big issue of flip flopping during the campaign. No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to their core beliefs. Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code, abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries. Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion, Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm the war on terror, He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all troop funding, Again deceived Bull**** and a lame excuse. ANWAR, Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm welfare reform, http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm the death penalty Not so http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php the Patriot Act, Agreed affirmative action See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp ....and on and on and on. Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king. Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source? Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in what they say? Didn't bother to read it -- I figured as much. - find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux. Find it yourself. Oh, what the hell. Here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple." Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to combat bioterrorism. http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN) While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic" flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New York Times noted: http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM] FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt society require no such 'role models' as Arafat." — The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997 THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace process." — John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004 (A lot can happen in 7 years) http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207 This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by individuals -- scroll down. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491 The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage. American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased! Enough -- this is all pollitical BS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-) Sure just look up all the heo-con comments Deja Vu......So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) You can play the game any way you want -- google bush lies vs Kerry lies, bush flip flops vs kerry flip flops. You can build a case either way. Way up at the top of this is a question asking if Bushs' latest move is a flip or a flop. Closest answer to date was Harry Kraus. As usual, you did not answer my question but answered with a spin. Once again: So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) Before I retired, I had a stamp made for most corporate announcements "Ignored By (my name) That would be appropriate here |
"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message y... JimH wrote: It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion. Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran. So what is your point Jim? Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way? No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link. Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? Convienent memory! -- No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam? I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international politics. Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal with other Countries? From your favorite news source http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html "The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program." Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative? Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma? OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world. I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior. Great. Bush is doing good....eh? I'll give him this one During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nothing has changed. Your point is? Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea? We already are. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days. Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan Your point is? The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big issue of flip flopping during the campaign. No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to their core beliefs. Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code, abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries. Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion, Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm the war on terror, He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all troop funding, Again deceived Bull**** and a lame excuse. ANWAR, Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm welfare reform, http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm the death penalty Not so http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php the Patriot Act, Agreed affirmative action See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp ....and on and on and on. Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king. Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source? Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in what they say? Didn't bother to read it -- I figured as much. - find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux. Find it yourself. Oh, what the hell. Here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple." Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to combat bioterrorism. http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN) While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic" flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New York Times noted: http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM] FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt society require no such 'role models' as Arafat." — The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997 THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace process." — John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004 (A lot can happen in 7 years) http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207 This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by individuals -- scroll down. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491 The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage. American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased! Enough -- this is all pollitical BS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-) Sure just look up all the heo-con comments Deja Vu......So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) You can play the game any way you want -- google bush lies vs Kerry lies, bush flip flops vs kerry flip flops. You can build a case either way. Way up at the top of this is a question asking if Bushs' latest move is a flip or a flop. Closest answer to date was Harry Kraus. As usual, you did not answer my question but answered with a spin. Once again: So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) Before I retired, I had a stamp made for most corporate announcements "Ignored By (my name) That would be appropriate here So you cannot show that my links posted any incorrect information when showing Kerry's flip flops. Ergo, as I alleged earlier the information was correct. Ergo, as I alleged earlier Kerry flip flopped on his core values. I agree. Thanks. All the best! Thanks. ;-) |
"'''' Tuukarrhea!.....that's a great label. Maybe you should coin that
phrase!""''' ahhhh,,, the 1, 2, 3 punch must have got you there white,,, lol,,, and confirmed accuracy,,, lol,,, white,,, you sure you don't have a ring in your nose like a dumb bull??? I just took you for a walk through the park,,, lol,,,, I bet you would be the last butter jam tart left over on the tray at a party,,,, lol,,,, oooo my,,,,,,, definatly confirms number 3,,, you be a krause puppet for life,,, You wouldn't happen to be sharpening his pencils,,, washing his car,, painting his fence,,, or supplying him his prescription meds there from Canada ,,, would you there white???? awful white of you there white,,, you shinning his pipe also??? "Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... You know, it just occurred to me. Perhaps Herring is suffering from Tuukarrhea Tuukarrhea!.....that's a great label. Maybe you should coin that phrase! |
"JimH" wrote in message ... More childish personal attacks....more proof of my earlier claim that most come from the left. Why not address the subject of this thread instead of throwing out childish insults? Now Jimmy...didn't you start a crusade to not call other posters names...and here you are calling me/Harry or both 'childish'? You can't control yourself and that's why I didn't sign on to your group hug. BTW...it's best to lead by example....talk is cheap! |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... It's a disease whose symptoms include getting everything wrong, running off at the mouth, and facilitating morons. You think Herring suffers from it? I don't know why JohnH would even want to associate with someone unstable like Tuuk. Wonder if he would take him for a ride in that fancy Mustang. I doubt it. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... More childish personal attacks....more proof of my earlier claim that most come from the left. Why not address the subject of this thread instead of throwing out childish insults? Now Jimmy...didn't you start a crusade to not call other posters names...and here you are calling me/Harry or both 'childish'? You can't control yourself and that's why I didn't sign on to your group hug. BTW...it's best to lead by example....talk is cheap! I rest my case. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... It's a disease whose symptoms include getting everything wrong, running off at the mouth, and facilitating morons. You think Herring suffers from it? I don't know why JohnH would even want to associate with someone unstable like Tuuk. Wonder if he would take him for a ride in that fancy Mustang. I doubt it. See your post in this thread from 11:21 p.m. You and Harry once again proved my point. Thank you and good night Don. BTW: Grow up. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... I rest my case. You seem to resting a lot lately....from boating...from common sense......integrity....etc. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... I rest my case. You seem to resting a lot lately....from boating...from common sense......integrity....etc. Yes, I am resting from owning a boat for a while. When will you rest from being an a-hole Don? |
Don are you guilty of pig piling? ; )
"Don White" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... More childish personal attacks....more proof of my earlier claim that most come from the left. Why not address the subject of this thread instead of throwing out childish insults? Now Jimmy...didn't you start a crusade to not call other posters names...and here you are calling me/Harry or both 'childish'? You can't control yourself and that's why I didn't sign on to your group hug. BTW...it's best to lead by example....talk is cheap! |
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