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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:12:11 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote:
"''''''No offense, but what do you expect to squeeze out of a "discussion" with the Bush-Military Apologist? Certainly not reality.'''''''' LOL,,, what do you expect to get from a "discussion" with you krause??? Reality????? lol,,, ouch,,, krause,,, you screw up on the meds today krause??? Or mix too many with the good stuff from the upscale liquor store your buddy works at??? lol,,, ouch,,,, Shouldn't you be out feeding the little critters?? ,,, lol,,,oo my Reality,,,,??/ lol,,, reality,,, hmmmm now there is a word that is farthest from reach during a "discussion" with krause,,,, lollll ,,,, Crap, did I miss one of Harry's famous posts? Is he coming up with new names now? I'd better get someone to watch my '6'. It seems Harry is obsessed with it. -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
JimH wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion. Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran. So what is your point Jim? Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way? No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link. Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? Convienent memory! -- No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam? I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international politics. Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal with other Countries? From your favorite news source http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html "The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program." Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative? Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma? OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world. I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior. Great. Bush is doing good....eh? I'll give him this one During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nothing has changed. Your point is? Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea? We already are. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days. Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan Your point is? The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big issue of flip flopping during the campaign. No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to their core beliefs. Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code, abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries. Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion, Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm the war on terror, He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all troop funding, Again deceived Bull**** and a lame excuse. ANWAR, Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm welfare reform, http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm the death penalty Not so http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php the Patriot Act, Agreed affirmative action See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp ....and on and on and on. Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king. Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source? Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in what they say? Didn't bother to read it -- I figured as much. - find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux. Find it yourself. Oh, what the hell. Here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple." Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to combat bioterrorism. http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN) While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic" flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New York Times noted: http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM] FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt society require no such 'role models' as Arafat." — The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997 THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace process." — John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004 (A lot can happen in 7 years) http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207 This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by individuals -- scroll down. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491 The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage. American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased! Enough -- this is all pollitical BS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-) Sure just look up all the heo-con comments |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 10:51:08 -0500, JimH wrote:
The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yeah, right. They are both politicians . . . Perhaps, if you would define core beliefs. How about abortion? http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20000703&s=corn How about gay marriage? BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Gov. George W. Bush on Gay Marriage, Larry King Live, 2/15/00] ..BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife." [President Bush, 2/24/04] How about nation building? BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00] ....BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03] Then there is the 256,000 hits on google for "Bush flip flop". http://www.democrats.org/specialrepo...p10_flipflops/ http://www.americanprogressaction.or...tnav=readmore2 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646142.shtml |
"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion. Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran. So what is your point Jim? Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way? No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link. Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? Convienent memory! -- No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam? I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international politics. Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal with other Countries? From your favorite news source http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html "The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program." Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative? Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma? OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world. I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior. Great. Bush is doing good....eh? I'll give him this one During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nothing has changed. Your point is? Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea? We already are. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days. Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan Your point is? The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big issue of flip flopping during the campaign. No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to their core beliefs. Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code, abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries. Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion, Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm the war on terror, He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all troop funding, Again deceived Bull**** and a lame excuse. ANWAR, Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm welfare reform, http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm the death penalty Not so http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php the Patriot Act, Agreed affirmative action See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp ....and on and on and on. Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king. Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source? Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in what they say? Didn't bother to read it -- I figured as much. - find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux. Find it yourself. Oh, what the hell. Here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple." Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to combat bioterrorism. http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN) While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic" flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New York Times noted: http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM] FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt society require no such 'role models' as Arafat." — The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997 THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace process." — John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004 (A lot can happen in 7 years) http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207 This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by individuals -- scroll down. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491 The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage. American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased! Enough -- this is all pollitical BS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-) Sure just look up all the heo-con comments Deja Vu......So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) |
JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion. Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran. So what is your point Jim? Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way? No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link. Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? Convienent memory! -- No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam? I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international politics. Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal with other Countries? From your favorite news source http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html "The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program." Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative? Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma? OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world. I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior. Great. Bush is doing good....eh? I'll give him this one During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nothing has changed. Your point is? Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea? We already are. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days. Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan Your point is? The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big issue of flip flopping during the campaign. No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to their core beliefs. Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code, abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries. Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion, Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm the war on terror, He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all troop funding, Again deceived Bull**** and a lame excuse. ANWAR, Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm welfare reform, http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm the death penalty Not so http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php the Patriot Act, Agreed affirmative action See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp ....and on and on and on. Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king. Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source? Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in what they say? Didn't bother to read it -- I figured as much. - find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux. Find it yourself. Oh, what the hell. Here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple." Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to combat bioterrorism. http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN) While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic" flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New York Times noted: http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM] FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt society require no such 'role models' as Arafat." — The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997 THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace process." — John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004 (A lot can happen in 7 years) http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207 This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by individuals -- scroll down. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491 The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage. American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased! Enough -- this is all pollitical BS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-) Sure just look up all the heo-con comments Deja Vu......So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) You can play the game any way you want -- google bush lies vs Kerry lies, bush flip flops vs kerry flip flops. You can build a case either way. Way up at the top of this is a question asking if Bushs' latest move is a flip or a flop. Closest answer to date was Harry Kraus. |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:32:37 GMT, "Jim," wrote some more
stuff: Jimcomma, being hoisted on that petard of yours must be getting uncomfortable, no? -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 22:50:54 GMT, "Jim," wrote:
Way up at the top of this is a question asking if Bushs' latest move is a flip or a flop. Closest answer to date was Harry Kraus. You stick with that boy, Jimcomma. He's got the most integrity of anyone on the newsgroup. If you don't believe me, just ask him. (Saying someone has a lot of integrity isn't name-calling, is it?) -- John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message .. . JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message . .. JimH wrote: It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion. Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran. So what is your point Jim? Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way? No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link. Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? Convienent memory! -- No, I simply did not remember. Why the slam? I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Nope, things change, especially when dealing with international politics. Would you rather that a President have one and only one way to deal with other Countries? From your favorite news source http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148304,00.html "The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program." Thank you for the link. And what makes you think that Fox is my favorite news source? Just because I am a political conservative? Again, another attempted slam on your part. Can you discuss things without the attempted personal attacks Jimcomma? OK -- what IS your favorite news source? Tell the world. I don't have a favorite. Why do I have to? http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03564569.htm Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior. Great. Bush is doing good....eh? I'll give him this one During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nothing has changed. Your point is? Now maybe we should negotiate with N Korea? We already are. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days. Correct. And that would include Carter and Clinton during those years, as it would Bush Sr and Jr, and Reagan Your point is? The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop? Bush made a big issue of flip flopping during the campaign. No it was not a flip flop. One *has* to remain flexible when dealing with international politics. One has to, however, remain true to their core beliefs. Bush has, remained consistent with his core beliefs, including with the war on terror, fixing social security, fixing the tax code, abortion, tort reform and believing that forceful action will sometimes be called for in his dealing with other countries. Kerry on the other hand changed his core beliefs on abortion, Pro Choice -- http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_Kerry_Abortion.htm the war on terror, He was deceived by Bush, rice, et all troop funding, Again deceived Bull**** and a lame excuse. ANWAR, Evidence please As I understand, he has always been against drilling. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml...lops.htm#ANWAR http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...ry-nafta_x.htm welfare reform, http://www.issues2000.org/2004/John_..._+_Poverty.htm the death penalty Not so http://deadlinethemovie.com/blog/joh...th_penalty.php the Patriot Act, Agreed affirmative action See http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...0403090827.asp ....and on and on and on. Go to this link for other support of my claims on his flip flops. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm The fact remains that Kerry constantly changed his core beliefs and Bush hasn't. Yes, Kerry deserved the title of flip flop king. Suppose you can find an UNbiased, responsiblle source? Yep, perhaps biased against Kerry. But what specifically is untrue in what they say? Didn't bother to read it -- I figured as much. - find me something from Cnn, cnbc or even faux. Find it yourself. Oh, what the hell. Here you go: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in646435.shtml “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple." Like (as?) I said -- he was deceived. http://washingtontimes.com/national/...5616-3546r.htm In that same speech, he vowed to round up all the unguarded nuclear material in the world within four years, mainly through negotiations. In another speech, Mr. Kerry promised to name a national coordinator to combat bioterrorism. http://mediamatters.org/items/200407060009 (includes clips from CNN) While CNN considered these relatively innocuous comments a "classic" flip-flop, the network has ignored much more significant "flip-flops" by President George W. Bush. As just one example, in a June 22 article about the Supreme Court's rejection of state laws that give patients in managed care the right to sue insurance companies for damages, The New York Times noted: http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp YASSER ARAFAT [07/14 09:52 AM] FIRST HE SAID: "Terrorist organizations with specific political agendas may be encouraged and emboldened by Yasser Arafat's transformation from outlaw to statesman.... [Terrorists] whose only object is to disrupt society require no such 'role models' as Arafat." — The New War, by John Kerry, published June 1997 THEN HE SAID: "Obviously, Yasser Arafat has been an impediment to the peace process... As far as I'm concerned, he's an outlaw to the peace process." — John Kerry, interview with the Associated Press, March 10, 2004 (A lot can happen in 7 years) http://news.forum.publicradio.org/ar.../10/01/0553207 This is no more than a message board for partisan comments, by individuals -- scroll down. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40491 The apparent flip-flops were noted by the American Family Association, a group battling against moves to establish same-sex marriage. American Family Association -- yeaj! that's non biased! Enough -- this is all pollitical BS. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1119904/posts http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/se...w.php?id=12261 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...4/835wicnq.asp Hundreds more. It was easy. ;-) Sure just look up all the heo-con comments Deja Vu......So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) You can play the game any way you want -- google bush lies vs Kerry lies, bush flip flops vs kerry flip flops. You can build a case either way. Way up at the top of this is a question asking if Bushs' latest move is a flip or a flop. Closest answer to date was Harry Kraus. As usual, you did not answer my question but answered with a spin. Once again: So I ask again what information posted in those links was not true? Who cares if they came from CNN, ABC or the Weekly Standard....don't discredit the information because of the source....discredit the information they posted. I await your reply. ;-) |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... You know, it just occurred to me. Perhaps Herring is suffering from Tuukarrhea Tuukarrhea!.....that's a great label. Maybe you should coin that phrase! |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... You know, it just occurred to me. Perhaps Herring is suffering from Tuukarrhea Tuukarrhea!.....that's a great label. Maybe you should coin that phrase! More childish personal attacks....more proof of my earlier claim that most come from the left. Why not address the subject of this thread instead of throwing out childish insults? |
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