What were the reasons? WMDs? Fallacious from the git-go. Involvement
with the Sept 11th attack? Cooperation with Al-Queda? Equally
fallacious. The UN resolutions about disarming? Iraq offered proof that
they *had* disarmed, which turned out to be correct, but rejected by the
Bush Administration with *no* attempt at diplomacy... nor was there any
serious attempt at getting UN backing to "enforce" this resolution.

Them's the facts.


Dave Hall wrote:
No, they're not. The fact that WMD were not YET found does not mean
that they were never there.

Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy, Dave?
Even Bush himself has given up on WMDs and admits (quietly) that they
were never there.



.. No one ever said that Iraq was directly
involved in 9/11.

Yes they did, Bush & Cheney both claimed so. Cheney did so to the Sept
11th investigating committee, but could not provide any supporting details


...But they do have contacts with terrorists.

Sure, *now* they have plenty.



Diplomacy ended when Saddam threw the weapons inspectors out in 1998.


Then why didn't President Bush campaign on a platform of invading Iraq
in 2000?



We defeated Iraq's armed forces, deposed it's gov't, and are still
occupying the country. There was a *lot* of advice given the Bushies
about what the aftermath of the invasion would be like, all of it
ignored, all of it depressingly accurate... in fact Rumsfeld was even
disengenuous enough to insist (self-contradictorily in the way
ubiquitous among Bushies) that the advice was wrong and he never got it
anyway... and that our Commander-In-Chief insisted almost 2 years and
1200 deaths ago that 'major combat operations are over"...

Them's the facts.


Those are distortions. At the core is factual information.

In other words, they are facts. That you don't like the facts is the
worse for you, not the facts.


No one said that this war would be easy or short.

Did anybody say that the Iraq war was for a GOOD reason? Did anybody say
the Iraq war would increase the security of America, and further
America's strategic interests? Has this war accomplished anything
remotely resembling those goals?

... The fact that it's
still going on is not an indication of failure.

Possibly not, but it's darn sure an indicator of poor planning &
mismanagement.

... We spent more time
rebuilding Germany and Japan after WWII.


Is that relevant? Those countries attacked us.

DSK