On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:11:45 -0500, "Bert Robbins" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H wrote:
On 10 Mar 2005 17:23:41 -0800, wrote:


* Students in the United States are behind their counterparts in
other countries in math and science, and some Asian countries are
graduating five times as many engineers

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Until American engineers are willing to work for $500 a month (and a
socialist government picks up all the health care costs, subsidizes
housing, and pays for a free college education for everybody who wants
it)......
there will be five times as many new engineering *jobs* in those
countries as there are in the US. (Jobs that used to be in the US).

Funny how the same executives who would fight to the death to keep big
government out of the US have *no* hesitation in exporting jobs to
countries where big, socialist governments make it possible for people
to work for almost nothing per month.

The answer isn't to establish a socialist government here in the US,
it's expecting our industrial base that gives non-stop lip service to
red, white, and blue patriotism to put its money, and financial
commitment, where its mouth is.

There's not much point trying to educate our kids for hight tech and
engineering jobs. Not when they will be asked to compete with kids on
the other side of the world who can afford to work all month for less
than what the average American pays just to rent a run-down apartment
in a bad neighborhood.


That's the attitude! Give our kids even *more* reason to search for the
easiest
way to get a worthless degree.

The education problem was here before outsourcing. Outsourcing is one of
the
effects of our education problem.



It would be a giggle to know what Herring believes a "worthless" degree
is, since for many, the purpose of higher education is not to learn a
trade, but to further prepare one's mind.

"To further prepare one's mind" for what? Flipping burgers at McD's?

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I don't get Harry's posts, so I'll respond through you. Hope you don't mind.

A worthwhile degree, in my opinion, is one which enables the person to be
gainfully employed. If you'll look he

http://www.bls.gov/ncs/ocs/sp/ncar0002.pdf

You can get a good feel for which degrees pay decently. Notice that most of
those ranked below 300 don't pay very well. A degree that enables one to be a
waiter wouldn't be very worthwhile. However, we have college graduates with
degrees that may 'prepare one's mind' who can't do much better.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."