* Students in the United States are behind their counterparts in
other countries in math and science, and some Asian countries are
graduating five times as many engineers

************

Until American engineers are willing to work for $500 a month (and a
socialist government picks up all the health care costs, subsidizes
housing, and pays for a free college education for everybody who wants
it)......
there will be five times as many new engineering *jobs* in those
countries as there are in the US. (Jobs that used to be in the US).

Funny how the same executives who would fight to the death to keep big
government out of the US have *no* hesitation in exporting jobs to
countries where big, socialist governments make it possible for people
to work for almost nothing per month.

The answer isn't to establish a socialist government here in the US,
it's expecting our industrial base that gives non-stop lip service to
red, white, and blue patriotism to put its money, and financial
commitment, where its mouth is.

There's not much point trying to educate our kids for hight tech and
engineering jobs. Not when they will be asked to compete with kids on
the other side of the world who can afford to work all month for less
than what the average American pays just to rent a run-down apartment
in a bad neighborhood.

On 10 Mar 2005 17:23:41 -0800, wrote:

* Students in the United States are behind their counterparts in
other countries in math and science, and some Asian countries are
graduating five times as many engineers

************

Until American engineers are willing to work for $500 a month (and a
socialist government picks up all the health care costs, subsidizes
housing, and pays for a free college education for everybody who wants
it)......
there will be five times as many new engineering *jobs* in those
countries as there are in the US. (Jobs that used to be in the US).

Funny how the same executives who would fight to the death to keep big
government out of the US have *no* hesitation in exporting jobs to
countries where big, socialist governments make it possible for people
to work for almost nothing per month.

The answer isn't to establish a socialist government here in the US,
it's expecting our industrial base that gives non-stop lip service to
red, white, and blue patriotism to put its money, and financial
commitment, where its mouth is.

There's not much point trying to educate our kids for hight tech and
engineering jobs. Not when they will be asked to compete with kids on
the other side of the world who can afford to work all month for less
than what the average American pays just to rent a run-down apartment
in a bad neighborhood.

That's the attitude! Give our kids even *more* reason to search for the easiest
way to get a worthless degree.

The education problem was here before outsourcing. Outsourcing is one of the
effects of our education problem.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On 10 Mar 2005 17:23:41 -0800, wrote:

* Students in the United States are behind their counterparts in
other countries in math and science, and some Asian countries are
graduating five times as many engineers

************

Until American engineers are willing to work for $500 a month (and a
socialist government picks up all the health care costs, subsidizes
housing, and pays for a free college education for everybody who wants
it)......
there will be five times as many new engineering *jobs* in those
countries as there are in the US. (Jobs that used to be in the US).

Funny how the same executives who would fight to the death to keep big
government out of the US have *no* hesitation in exporting jobs to
countries where big, socialist governments make it possible for people
to work for almost nothing per month.

The answer isn't to establish a socialist government here in the US,
it's expecting our industrial base that gives non-stop lip service to
red, white, and blue patriotism to put its money, and financial
commitment, where its mouth is.

There's not much point trying to educate our kids for hight tech and
engineering jobs. Not when they will be asked to compete with kids on
the other side of the world who can afford to work all month for less
than what the average American pays just to rent a run-down apartment
in a bad neighborhood.

That's the attitude! Give our kids even *more* reason to search for the
easiest
way to get a worthless degree.

Outsourcing, like so many liebral talking points, is for the most part
overblown myths

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0410130821.asp
http://www.computerworld.com/develop...,93413,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117820,00.html


The education problem was here before outsourcing. Outsourcing is one of
the
effects of our education problem.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Faux News and the National Review? Puhleeze.

Hasn't the RNC issued some equally "objective" comment on this issue?

wrote in message
ups.com...
Faux News and the National Review? Puhleeze.

Hasn't the RNC issued some equally "objective" comment on this issue?


Exactly what in the articles from Fox and the National Review do you not
believe?

Exactly what in the articles from Fox and the National Review do you
not
believe?

****************

Shall we start with the source?

Extremist publications and organizations with a proven, active,
political bias are not to be trusted.

We liberals get our news from such objective sources as the NY Times,
the Washington Post, CNN, NPR, etc. :-)

Seriously, that's one of the problems we face today. News is made, or
reported to order. No matter what position you want to support, there
will be some "news" organization more than willing to spin the facts to
support your conclusion.

"Outsourcing is a liberal myth"?

Fantastic. I'll be sure to tell the technical writer, the accountant,
and the engineer with whom I am personally acquainted to go back to the
office today. They will be delighted to learn that their employers
never really closed their office and sent the jobs to India, South
America, and even the UK to save money! According to Faux News and the
National Review, its all been a liberal myth.

wrote in message
ups.com...
Exactly what in the articles from Fox and the National Review do you
not
believe?

****************

Shall we start with the source?

Extremist publications and organizations with a proven, active,
political bias are not to be trusted.

We liberals get our news from such objective sources as the NY Times,
the Washington Post, CNN, NPR, etc. :-)

Seriously, that's one of the problems we face today. News is made, or
reported to order. No matter what position you want to support, there
will be some "news" organization more than willing to spin the facts to
support your conclusion.

"Outsourcing is a liberal myth"?

Fantastic. I'll be sure to tell the technical writer, the accountant,
and the engineer with whom I am personally acquainted to go back to the
office today. They will be delighted to learn that their employers
never really closed their office and sent the jobs to India, South
America, and even the UK to save money! According to Faux News and the
National Review, its all been a liberal myth.



You stated your beliefs and opinions but you did not answer my question.

On 11 Mar 2005 05:48:19 -0800, wrote:

Exactly what in the articles from Fox and the National Review do you
not
believe?

****************

Shall we start with the source?

Extremist publications and organizations with a proven, active,
political bias are not to be trusted.

We liberals get our news from such objective sources as the NY Times,
the Washington Post, CNN, NPR, etc. :-)

Seriously, that's one of the problems we face today. News is made, or
reported to order. No matter what position you want to support, there
will be some "news" organization more than willing to spin the facts to
support your conclusion.

"Outsourcing is a liberal myth"?

Fantastic. I'll be sure to tell the technical writer, the accountant,
and the engineer with whom I am personally acquainted to go back to the
office today. They will be delighted to learn that their employers
never really closed their office and sent the jobs to India, South
America, and even the UK to save money! According to Faux News and the
National Review, its all been a liberal myth.

Note that you still provided no information which belies that which was posted.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Faux News and the National Review? Puhleeze.

Hasn't the RNC issued some equally "objective" comment on this issue?



Exactly what in the articles from Fox and the National Review do you not
believe?


Suggest you go back to the article and read the bottom line


Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/03/10/h....ap/index.html

"Jim," wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Faux News and the National Review? Puhleeze.

Hasn't the RNC issued some equally "objective" comment on this issue?



Exactly what in the articles from Fox and the National Review do you not
believe?
Suggest you go back to the article and read the bottom line


Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/03/10/h....ap/index.html

I suggest you reread the links in Pauls post. They were about outsourcing.