How about money squandered on pointless slaughter, while obscene profits
are not only raked in by favored industries... and troops go without
needed equipment... but those same favored companies commit fraud &
outright theft?



NOYB wrote:
You really have a warped view of what's really going on.


You think so because you're looking through warped glasses.

Did several companies awarded no-bid contracts for the military...
awarded at the direction Cheney's office... either provide poor service
(a commonly reported example is spoiled food) or no service? Did any
companies "lose" gov't supplied equipment? Did any companies take
advantage of the billions of dollars loosely thrown around by the
provisional gov't in Iraq? Etc etc.

Nod your head yes. It will only hurt a little bit, and the truth is good
for you.




... towards building the nation's infrastructure,

Can you point to a single example of this in Bush/Cheney's budgets?


Just one? How 'bout lots:

Transportation:
a.. Provides full funding of the Highway "guarantee" level of $32.3
billion, o support state and local highway and bridge improvements. This
funding level includes $145 million for the President's New Freedom
Initiative to ensure transportation alternatives are available for the
disabled and increases research and development funding to support
congestion reduction technology initiatives.


Numbers like this are meaningless without a comparison of previous
annual expenditures on the same line item.

In short... a lot of ballyhooing about nothing... more hat, still no
cattle...

b.. Includes full funding of the Mass Transit "guarantee" level of $6.7
billion, to expand mass transit programs.


Ditto


c.. Provides full funding for the Aviation "firewall" level of $13.3
billion, to meet the Federal Aviation Administration's operating, safety and
security responsibilities and to minimize air traffic delays and modernize
the air traffic system.


If that's true, then why are all the pilots complaining publicly about
how the FAA *still* hasn't made any significant improvement in airline
security?


d.. Proposes $5.1 billion for the Coast Guard, to support operational
requirements and begin rebuilding the Coast Guard's aging fleet of ships and
aircraft.


If that's true, then how come all the Coasties I know (a fairly long
list) universally complain about getting heaped with more tasking ans
less funding? The ironic thing is that many of them are Bush supporters,
but none of them believe this "new budget" is any kind of improvement.



e.. Provides $521 million for Amtrak capital programs-a funding level that
supports the railroad's glidepath to achieve operational self-sufficiency.

A line of crapola from way back. Why should the railroads be
"self-supporting" when their main competition is nearly 100% subsidized?
However, *if* this number does actually represent an improvement in
funding then that's good.


Corps of Engineers:
a.. Targets funds for completing priority ongoing projects, such as the
environmental restoration work in the Florida Everglades.


Looking for oil?

b.. Reduces funding for studying potential new projects, given the $40
billion backlog of construction projects that are either ongoing or
authorized but not started.


Such as keeping the ICW open for commercial traffic?

c.. Provides a funding increase for the Corps' program for evaluating
proposed development in wetlands.


So that Bush pals can build expensive developments, thus killing off
what few wetlands remain?



According the the Natinal Federation of Independent Businesses, Bush has a
near 100% perfect record on issues affecting small businesses.


And this "Natinal Federation of Independent Businesses" is a Bush/Cheney
shill front, right?



... and towards education are worthwhile expenditures.

Now this is funny. Are you familiar with the term 'unfunded mandate'? It
perfectly describes Bush/Cheney's federal education programs...



Look at this graph:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/usbud...mages/19-1.gif


All bull****. Everybody that has *anything* to do with education knows
that the "No Child Left Behind Act" has been a calamity for education,
quite literally an unfunded mandate which has the effect of closing down
public education. The Bush/Cheney gang has also severely undercut
college loans and all but eliminated educational grants, while at the
same time slashing science funding. That's a good way to improve the
educational level of the nation, right?

Of course, why bother to look at the facts, when you can outright lie
and enough people will believe it?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..


According the the Natinal Federation of Independent Businesses, Bush has
a near 100% perfect record on issues affecting small businesses.


And this "Natinal Federation of Independent Businesses" is a Bush/Cheney
shill front, right?




NFIB is a small-business advocacy group with 600,000 small business people
as members.

http://www.nfib.com/page/home

NOYB wrote:
NFIB is a small-business advocacy group with 600,000 small business people
as members.

http://www.nfib.com/page/home


Interesting... if you try to get any actual business news, the links
peter out... if you click on politics, you get HUGE amounts of
cheerleading for Bush/Cheney... they do have small "bipartisan" content...

Verdict: it's a shill site, but a well constructed and almost subtle
one. I bet it's funded by one of those 527 groups.

BTW I noticed you had no further support for any of your previously
stated fantasies? Giving up kind of early? Or is the truth finally
beginning to sink in?

DSK

I don't mind spending money, as long as I see see the fruits of the
expenditures. Money paid towards a strong military
The strong military you're buying now will be staffed by none other
than
your children. No matter WHAT the cause, you won't want them there to
fight it.
I'd like to see our military spending increased to the point where we
can create completely automated weaponry that can be controlled by
"soldiers" well out of harm's way. We already have pilotless drones
carrying
warheads, unmanned ground vehicles, and Tomahawk missiles capable of
firing from
hundreds of miles away with near-pin-point accuracy. We're in the early
development phase of battlefield robots that will be able to do the
street-to-street fighting being done in Iraq.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...armyrobot.html


Battlefield robots doing street-to-street fighting? Heheheh. Too much
RoboCop in your TV diet.

Actually, a weapons platform advancing in front of a platoon that has on
it
advanced radar and targeting that "sees" incoming rounds and directs
suppression fire without intervention all within milliseconds would be a
good tool. They have a few systems that track mortar and larger shells
and
direct fire in the field now.

Spin-offs from our highly successful "Star Wars" missile defense system,
no doubt.

Yes, they finally had a successful test. A few more and one of the tools
for intercepting incomming warheads is on-line. I believe this one is for
short range low altitude missles apx 500 mile range. The ICBM intercept
(Star Wars) system is still buggy and they haven't decided on the best
method. With a successful system in place Iran and N Korea are not as much
of a threat.

We still have to worry about terrorism in any case so the development of
those systems won't make much difference to the current situation.

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

NOYB wrote:

.... The government can borrow ad infinitum because there will
always
be revenue coming in.


Don't you feel kinda strange, calling yourself a "conservative" and
posting things like this?


I'm a social conservative, and fiscal moderate.


I don't mind spending money, as long as I see see the fruits of the
expenditures. Money paid towards a strong military

snip

The strong military you're buying now will be staffed by none other
than
your children. No matter WHAT the cause, you won't want them there to
fight it.


I'd like to see our military spending increased to the point where we
can
create completely automated weaponry that can be controlled by
"soldiers"
well out of harm's way. We already have pilotless drones carrying
warheads,
unmanned ground vehicles, and Tomahawk missiles capable of firing from
hundreds of miles away with near-pin-point accuracy. We're in the
early
development phase of battlefield robots that will be able to do the
street-to-street fighting being done in Iraq.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...armyrobot.html

unnecessary offensive comment deleted

Battlefield robots doing street-to-street fighting? Heheheh. Too much
RoboCop in your TV diet.

Actually, a weapons platform advancing in front of a platoon that has on
it
advanced radar and targeting that "sees" incoming rounds and directs
suppression fire without intervention all within milliseconds would be a
good tool. They have a few systems that track mortar and larger shells
and
direct fire in the field now.

I also saw a product being developed based on video imaging, where each
frame is analized for change, and they trace sniper fire back to the point
of origin.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...


"DSK" wrote in message
. net...


NOYB wrote:


.... The government can borrow ad infinitum because there will

always

be revenue coming in.


Don't you feel kinda strange, calling yourself a "conservative" and
posting things like this?


I'm a social conservative, and fiscal moderate.


I don't mind spending money, as long as I see see the fruits of the
expenditures. Money paid towards a strong military

snip

The strong military you're buying now will be staffed by none other
than
your children. No matter WHAT the cause, you won't want them there to
fight it.


I'd like to see our military spending increased to the point where we

can

create completely automated weaponry that can be controlled by

"soldiers"

well out of harm's way. We already have pilotless drones carrying

warheads,

unmanned ground vehicles, and Tomahawk missiles capable of firing from
hundreds of miles away with near-pin-point accuracy. We're in the
early
development phase of battlefield robots that will be able to do the
street-to-street fighting being done in Iraq.




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...armyrobot.html

unnecessary offensive comment deleted

Battlefield robots doing street-to-street fighting? Heheheh. Too much
RoboCop in your TV diet.


Actually, a weapons platform advancing in front of a platoon that has on
it
advanced radar and targeting that "sees" incoming rounds and directs
suppression fire without intervention all within milliseconds would be a
good tool. They have a few systems that track mortar and larger shells
and
direct fire in the field now.




Spin-offs from our highly successful "Star Wars" missile defense system,
no doubt.

They were in use in Viet Nam. I guess you saw them in action.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jeff Rigby wrote:
I don't mind spending money, as long as I see see the fruits of the
expenditures. Money paid towards a strong military

The strong military you're buying now will be staffed by none other
than
your children. No matter WHAT the cause, you won't want them there
to
fight it.

I'd like to see our military spending increased to the point where we

can create completely automated weaponry that can be controlled by
"soldiers" well out of harm's way. We already have pilotless drones
carrying
warheads, unmanned ground vehicles, and Tomahawk missiles capable of
firing from

hundreds of miles away with near-pin-point accuracy. We're in the
early
development phase of battlefield robots that will be able to do the
street-to-street fighting being done in Iraq.



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._armyrobot.htm
l



Battlefield robots doing street-to-street fighting? Heheheh. Too much
RoboCop in your TV diet.

Actually, a weapons platform advancing in front of a platoon that has
on
it
advanced radar and targeting that "sees" incoming rounds and directs
suppression fire without intervention all within milliseconds would be
a
good tool. They have a few systems that track mortar and larger shells
and
direct fire in the field now.


Spin-offs from our highly successful "Star Wars" missile defense system,
no doubt.


Yes, they finally had a successful test. A few more and one of the
tools
for intercepting incomming warheads is on-line. I believe this one is
for
short range low altitude missles apx 500 mile range. The ICBM intercept
(Star Wars) system is still buggy and they haven't decided on the best
method. With a successful system in place Iran and N Korea are not as
much
of a threat.

We still have to worry about terrorism in any case so the development of
those systems won't make much difference to the current situation.



Hahahahohohhehehe.

You don't need a missile to nuke a US city. A Ryder truck will do the job.


Read Clive Cussler. Motorcycle sidecar fits the requirement.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 05:51:39 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

You really have a warped view of economics. Does not matter what
entity,
it
can not borrow forever, no matter it's lifespan.

But we're not "borrowing forever". A country will have economic ups
and
downs. In the "down" years, net tax receipts fall, and deficits
surge.
In
the "up" years, net receipts rise, and the deficits shrink. Since a
country
like the US has an infinite lifespan, *AND A CONSTANTLY EXPANDING
ECONOMY*,
it can weather long, long periods of deficits without any adverse
affects.



You get to the condition
on countries of Brazil, 15-50% inflation. Germany, after WWII
when
the
paper was worth more than the money printed on it. Inflation is a
tax!


And what is the current inflation rate in the United States?



About 2.5%.


Which is lower than it averaged for the 80's and 90's. In 2000, there
was
a
surplus, yet inflation averaged 3.38%. Your argument that a high
inflation
rate is the result of an increasing deficit just doesn't seem to agree
with
recent historical data.


What was the unexceptable inflation rate when Nixon put in wage
and price controls? 3.5%. At 2.5% costs will double in 28 years.


If you can't afford to pay $6 for a gallon of milk 28 years from now,
then
there's something wrong with your investment portfolio.




There is the problem with paying $6 / gallon as it is the young family
that
is trying to raise kids and does not have a 40 years investment
portfolio.

Fret not. By then the minimum wage will be $15/hr and the poverty line
will be $60,000 per year. It's all relative.

Dave

We can eliminate poverty now. Make the minimum wage 80% of congressional
salaries.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...

"DSK" wrote in message
t...

NOYB wrote:

.... The government can borrow ad infinitum because there will
always
be revenue coming in.


Don't you feel kinda strange, calling yourself a "conservative" and
posting things like this?


I'm a social conservative, and fiscal moderate.


I don't mind spending money, as long as I see see the fruits of the
expenditures. Money paid towards a strong military

snip

The strong military you're buying now will be staffed by none other
than
your children. No matter WHAT the cause, you won't want them there to
fight it.


I'd like to see our military spending increased to the point where we
can
create completely automated weaponry that can be controlled by
"soldiers"
well out of harm's way. We already have pilotless drones carrying
warheads,
unmanned ground vehicles, and Tomahawk missiles capable of firing
from
hundreds of miles away with near-pin-point accuracy. We're in the
early
development phase of battlefield robots that will be able to do the
street-to-street fighting being done in Iraq.



http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...armyrobot.html

unnecessary offensive comment deleted

Battlefield robots doing street-to-street fighting? Heheheh. Too much
RoboCop in your TV diet.

Actually, a weapons platform advancing in front of a platoon that has on
it
advanced radar and targeting that "sees" incoming rounds and directs
suppression fire without intervention all within milliseconds would be a
good tool. They have a few systems that track mortar and larger shells
and
direct fire in the field now.

I also saw a product being developed based on video imaging, where each
frame is analized for change, and they trace sniper fire back to the point
of origin.

Ahh! a stealth system in case we don't "own the battlefield".