"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Ya think so? Gee, I guess you know more about it than Greenspan, who
said it would increase spending and contribute to larger deficit(s).




Jeff Rigby wrote:
Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement. The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?

The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal government
when the money confiscated from working people is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just one
big pile of IOU's.

... If the Federal government isn't
allowed to spend, say 20% of the money coming in for SS and it's
deposited
in a 401K type account in your name that money can't be spent and
somewhere
the federal budget has to be reduced because the money is not available
to
be spent.


You're really very heavily inoculated against facts, aren't you?

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.

Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.

That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?

Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!

Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement. The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?


Bert Robbins wrote:
The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal government
when the money confiscated from working people

SS taxes are no more "confiscated" than any other tax

... is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.


Wrong. Money does not "pass thru" the SS Trust Fund into the "general fund."

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just one
big pile of IOU's.


Like I said... Treasury bonds... generally considered the most secure
investment available.


Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.



That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?


Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!


In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again.

DSK

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:30:49 -0500, DSK wrote:

Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement. The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?


Bert Robbins wrote:
The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal government
when the money confiscated from working people

SS taxes are no more "confiscated" than any other tax

... is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.


Wrong. Money does not "pass thru" the SS Trust Fund into the "general fund."

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just one
big pile of IOU's.


Like I said... Treasury bonds... generally considered the most secure
investment available.


Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.



That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?


Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!


In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again.

DSK

Then again, some of us have some sense and don't regurgitate crap just to see
ourselves on the internet.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Ya think so? Gee, I guess you know more about it than Greenspan, who
said it would increase spending and contribute to larger deficit(s).




Jeff Rigby wrote:
Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement.
The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?

The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal
government
when the money confiscated from working people is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just
one
big pile of IOU's.

... If the Federal government isn't
allowed to spend, say 20% of the money coming in for SS and it's
deposited
in a 401K type account in your name that money can't be spent and
somewhere
the federal budget has to be reduced because the money is not
available
to
be spent.


You're really very heavily inoculated against facts, aren't you?

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and
buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.

Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates
the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.

No kidding, when are the brain dead liebrals going to realize that when
you borrow money from yourself, it is simply spending.........same thing as
if you went to the bank, cleaned out your savings account, and left an IOU
to yourself.......there is only two ways to replace that money......one,
spend less in the future, two, make more money.....and we all know how the
guvmint 'makes' more money.


That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against
ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run
up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the
big
spenders?

Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?



John H wrote:
Then again, some of us have some sense and don't regurgitate crap just to see
ourselves on the internet.


So far everything I have posted is 100% true & accurate. And you?

DSK

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:23:20 -0500, DSK wrote:

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?



John H wrote:
Then again, some of us have some sense and don't regurgitate crap just to see
ourselves on the internet.


So far everything I have posted is 100% true & accurate. And you?

DSK

It's not worth getting into it, Doug. You snipped the comment which prompted my
response. Cute.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H wrote:
It's not worth getting into it, Doug.

In that case, don't.

Believe me, the world will not mourn the ending of you OT posts to this
newsgroup.

... You snipped the comment which prompted my
response. Cute.

???

My statements are 100% true & accurate.

So far we've seen a long list of charades & outright lies about Social
Security.... almost all of them pulled straight from Bush/Cheney's
propaganda effort to gain support for their looting of the SS Trust
Fund. All I have done is show up the misconception & lies.

If you find this offensive, I suggest you re-examine your core values.
An agenda that relies on deceit & ignorance is not a good path for America.

DSK

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:37:53 -0500, DSK wrote:

John H wrote:
It's not worth getting into it, Doug.

In that case, don't.

Believe me, the world will not mourn the ending of you OT posts to this
newsgroup.

... You snipped the comment which prompted my
response. Cute.

???

My statements are 100% true & accurate.

So far we've seen a long list of charades & outright lies about Social
Security.... almost all of them pulled straight from Bush/Cheney's
propaganda effort to gain support for their looting of the SS Trust
Fund. All I have done is show up the misconception & lies.

If you find this offensive, I suggest you re-examine your core values.
An agenda that relies on deceit & ignorance is not a good path for America.

DSK

You keep managing to snip this:

"In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again."

Cute.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...
Jeff Rigby wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...

Jeff Rigby wrote:

"HarryKrause" wrote in message
...


Jeff Rigby wrote:



It's been my observation that most of the really successful Blacks
are
because of their grandparents.


It's been my observation that "most of the really successful Blacks"
are
because (sic) of their hard work, just like most successful whites.

What a wonderfully mind-expanding forum this is.

One of our friends just finished her medical residency at a nearby
teaching hospital. She's 36 or 37, orphaned while a young teen,
grandparents on another continent, and a single mom. She had foster
parents who provided her with shelter until she was 18 and then she
left. On her own ever since. Oh, and she's black. She got to where she
is today by working her butt off.

Ke-rist.


It's a given that successful means they worked their tails off. Where

did

this woman get her values? Some life lesson made a difference. You
are

not

talking about an American here who grew up in the black culture. In
any
case well done to her.




She's as American as I am. She was born in the Boston area and grew up
in Roxbury, which for many years has been a pretty grim area.

I've encountered a great number of "really successful Blacks" in my
life. They're successful because their parents imbued them with the
proper values and because of that, they worked hard to get where they
are. Just like most successful white folks. I believe your "grandparents
factor" is a canard. I'm not saying that solid grandparents aren't a
help for any kid of any color, but to state that most black success is
due to grandparents is more than a little racist.


Where do you get racist? To say that grandparents are a critical
resource t
o our society and that they are being wasted when they retire to Florida
is
racist?? My example occurs with ALL peoples but it is most apparent
with
blacks. Hmm, that's where you call it racist, I call it reality.
Blacks
ARE disadvantaged and discriminated against because of many factors,
they
earn less and have to work harder. THUS they have less time to raise
their
children, grandparent are needed more in that situation.

Because some parents do a good job and have time and energy to properly
devote to their children does not obviate my point.



Your intent was quite clear. Your implication was that black parents
could not raise their children, and that black grandparents did the job.
Now you come up with a rationalization.

Harry, obviously my intent was not clear to YOU. You have that left
mentality that jumps to the conclusion that all on the right are racist.
It's also been my observation that Democrats are MORE racist than
republicans that there is more racism in the north than in the south. I can
argue this point and win, there are documented studies that support this
observation.

Now why did I say that. Because you struck a sore point with me Harry.
Racism and bigotry are the purview of the ignorant. You called me ignorant
Harry and that's the pot calling the kettle black.

If you find this offensive, I suggest you re-examine your core values.
An agenda that relies on deceit & ignorance is not a good path for America.



John H wrote:
You keep managing to snip this:

"In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again."

Cute.

Why are you blaming me for the current administration's mendacity? I was
merely restating what your pal "Bert Robbins" said.

BTW You're the one who keeps proclaiming the superiority of the
Bush/Cheney Administration, but cannot state one accomplishment of
theirs. And you also keep proclaiming how you're "winning."

DSK