"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Ya think so? Gee, I guess you know more about it than Greenspan, who
said it would increase spending and contribute to larger deficit(s).




Jeff Rigby wrote:
Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement. The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?

The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal government
when the money confiscated from working people is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just one
big pile of IOU's.

... If the Federal government isn't
allowed to spend, say 20% of the money coming in for SS and it's
deposited
in a 401K type account in your name that money can't be spent and
somewhere
the federal budget has to be reduced because the money is not available
to
be spent.


You're really very heavily inoculated against facts, aren't you?

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.

Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.

That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?

Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!

Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement. The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?


Bert Robbins wrote:
The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal government
when the money confiscated from working people

SS taxes are no more "confiscated" than any other tax

... is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.


Wrong. Money does not "pass thru" the SS Trust Fund into the "general fund."

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just one
big pile of IOU's.


Like I said... Treasury bonds... generally considered the most secure
investment available.


Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.



That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?


Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!


In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again.

DSK

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:30:49 -0500, DSK wrote:

Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement. The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?


Bert Robbins wrote:
The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal government
when the money confiscated from working people

SS taxes are no more "confiscated" than any other tax

... is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.


Wrong. Money does not "pass thru" the SS Trust Fund into the "general fund."

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just one
big pile of IOU's.


Like I said... Treasury bonds... generally considered the most secure
investment available.


Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.



That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?


Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!


In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again.

DSK

Then again, some of us have some sense and don't regurgitate crap just to see
ourselves on the internet.

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?



John H wrote:
Then again, some of us have some sense and don't regurgitate crap just to see
ourselves on the internet.


So far everything I have posted is 100% true & accurate. And you?

DSK

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:23:20 -0500, DSK wrote:

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.


Guess what... if a lot of people, like say the gov'ts of Japan & China
for example along with the SS Trust, were not willing to invest in US
Treasury debt instruments, then the U.S gov't could not indulge in
deficit spending, like for Bush/Cheney's Iraq invasion for example.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the big
spenders?



John H wrote:
Then again, some of us have some sense and don't regurgitate crap just to see
ourselves on the internet.


So far everything I have posted is 100% true & accurate. And you?

DSK

It's not worth getting into it, Doug. You snipped the comment which prompted my
response. Cute.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H wrote:
It's not worth getting into it, Doug.

In that case, don't.

Believe me, the world will not mourn the ending of you OT posts to this
newsgroup.

... You snipped the comment which prompted my
response. Cute.

???

My statements are 100% true & accurate.

So far we've seen a long list of charades & outright lies about Social
Security.... almost all of them pulled straight from Bush/Cheney's
propaganda effort to gain support for their looting of the SS Trust
Fund. All I have done is show up the misconception & lies.

If you find this offensive, I suggest you re-examine your core values.
An agenda that relies on deceit & ignorance is not a good path for America.

DSK

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:37:53 -0500, DSK wrote:

John H wrote:
It's not worth getting into it, Doug.

In that case, don't.

Believe me, the world will not mourn the ending of you OT posts to this
newsgroup.

... You snipped the comment which prompted my
response. Cute.

???

My statements are 100% true & accurate.

So far we've seen a long list of charades & outright lies about Social
Security.... almost all of them pulled straight from Bush/Cheney's
propaganda effort to gain support for their looting of the SS Trust
Fund. All I have done is show up the misconception & lies.

If you find this offensive, I suggest you re-examine your core values.
An agenda that relies on deceit & ignorance is not a good path for America.

DSK

You keep managing to snip this:

"In other words, certain Republicans lie like a rug in order to fool
people like you & JohnH & Nobby etc etc into voting for them, again and
again."

Cute.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
...

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Ya think so? Gee, I guess you know more about it than Greenspan, who
said it would increase spending and contribute to larger deficit(s).




Jeff Rigby wrote:
Okay for your education, there is NO SS money that hasn't been spent,
there
is NONE that is sitting in an account waiting for your retirement.
The
Federal government has already spent it.

If that's true, then why is there such a thing as the SS Trust Fund and
why does the Treasury Dept sell it bonds?

The bonds are given to the alleged SS Trust Fund by the federal
government
when the money confiscated from working people is is passed through the
alleged SS Trust Fund into the federal governments general fund.

This not a single penny sitting in the alleged SS Trust Fund, it is just
one
big pile of IOU's.

... If the Federal government isn't
allowed to spend, say 20% of the money coming in for SS and it's
deposited
in a 401K type account in your name that money can't be spent and
somewhere
the federal budget has to be reduced because the money is not
available
to
be spent.


You're really very heavily inoculated against facts, aren't you?

Truth- SS tax income is spent on only two things: SS benefits and
buying
Treasuries for the SS Trust Fund.

Pass the pipe over here dude! "Buying Treasuries", you have got to be
kidding? More like receiving pieces of paper when Congress appropriates
the
money alleged being deposited into the SS Trust Fund.

No kidding, when are the brain dead liebrals going to realize that when
you borrow money from yourself, it is simply spending.........same thing as
if you went to the bank, cleaned out your savings account, and left an IOU
to yourself.......there is only two ways to replace that money......one,
spend less in the future, two, make more money.....and we all know how the
guvmint 'makes' more money.


That's why the democrats who are "the deficit spenders" are against
ANY
plan
that calls for PRIVATE accounts.


Now please explain why Republicans, who under Bush Jr & Reagan have run
up
historically high deficits, are always claiming that Democrats are the
big
spenders?

Its all politics and the art of getting re-elected!