How about what other countries have to say? If you follow any foreign
news sources at all... really easy nowadays... you can get first hand
reports about the impact of Bush/Cheney foreign policies.


Dave Hall wrote:
Who cares what they say?

People who want to be well informed with actual facts, that's who.



Social Security? Why? If they wanted a *conservative* approach to SS
reform, they'd reduce taxes and then reduce SS benefits to be fully
supportable by future taxes. If they want to encourage people saving for
their own future (a laudable goal) they could reduce taxes for the
middle class and increase 401(k) deductible.


If you would bother to read Bush's plan, you would find that you've
described essentially what he wants to do.

Negative.

Bush's "plan" as revealed so far is to divert SS taxes into "private
accounts" which will be managed by favored Wall St'ers.

But hey... why go with the facts when propaganda makes you feel much better?

DSK

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:27:13 -0500, DSK wrote:

How about what other countries have to say? If you follow any foreign
news sources at all... really easy nowadays... you can get first hand
reports about the impact of Bush/Cheney foreign policies.


Dave Hall wrote:
Who cares what they say?

People who want to be well informed with actual facts, that's who.



Social Security? Why? If they wanted a *conservative* approach to SS
reform, they'd reduce taxes and then reduce SS benefits to be fully
supportable by future taxes. If they want to encourage people saving for
their own future (a laudable goal) they could reduce taxes for the
middle class and increase 401(k) deductible.


If you would bother to read Bush's plan, you would find that you've
described essentially what he wants to do.

Negative.

Bush's "plan" as revealed so far is to divert SS taxes into "private
accounts" which will be managed by favored Wall St'ers.

But hey... why go with the facts when propaganda makes you feel much better?

DSK

French TV equals actual facts???

--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H wrote:
French TV equals actual facts???


Did President Bush go on French TV and lie about what Alan Greenspan
said concerning Bush's Social Security plan? IIRC that was in the
American media... and nobody pointed out Bush's contradiction of what
Greenspan had actually said...

That darn liberal biased media!

DSK

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:52:46 -0500, DSK wrote:

John H wrote:
French TV equals actual facts???


Did President Bush go on French TV and lie about what Alan Greenspan
said concerning Bush's Social Security plan? IIRC that was in the
American media... and nobody pointed out Bush's contradiction of what
Greenspan had actually said...

That darn liberal biased media!

DSK

Show me. And no, I didn't see Bush on French TV. French TV is...French, i.e.
anti-US and anti-Bush. It did seem to favor Kerry a lot though.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Did President Bush go on French TV and lie about what Alan Greenspan
said concerning Bush's Social Security plan? IIRC that was in the
American media... and nobody pointed out Bush's contradiction of what
Greenspan had actually said...

That darn liberal biased media!



John H wrote:
Show me. And no, I didn't see Bush on French TV. French TV is...French, i.e.
anti-US and anti-Bush. It did seem to favor Kerry a lot though.

How do you know? You watch a lot of French TV?

DSK

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:44:44 -0500, DSK wrote:

Did President Bush go on French TV and lie about what Alan Greenspan
said concerning Bush's Social Security plan? IIRC that was in the
American media... and nobody pointed out Bush's contradiction of what
Greenspan had actually said...

That darn liberal biased media!



John H wrote:
Show me. And no, I didn't see Bush on French TV. French TV is...French, i.e.
anti-US and anti-Bush. It did seem to favor Kerry a lot though.

How do you know? You watch a lot of French TV?

DSK

I try to watch the news from as many countries as I can.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
How about what other countries have to say? If you follow any foreign
news sources at all... really easy nowadays... you can get first hand
reports about the impact of Bush/Cheney foreign policies.


Dave Hall wrote:
Who cares what they say?

People who want to be well informed with actual facts, that's who.



Social Security? Why? If they wanted a *conservative* approach to SS
reform, they'd reduce taxes and then reduce SS benefits to be fully
supportable by future taxes. If they want to encourage people saving for
their own future (a laudable goal) they could reduce taxes for the
middle class and increase 401(k) deductible.


If you would bother to read Bush's plan, you would find that you've
described essentially what he wants to do.

Negative.

Bush's "plan" as revealed so far is to divert SS taxes into "private
accounts" which will be managed by favored Wall St'ers.

But hey... why go with the facts when propaganda makes you feel much
better?

DSK

LETS GET REAL HERE!! The real reason the Democrats are against ANY plan
for PRIVATE savings is because THEY CAN"T SPEND that money. The reasons the
Republicans are for this is 1) They believe it will benefit the public, and
2) It robs the democrats of money they need to buy their power base. It
shrinks the size of the federal budget.

If you believe otherwise you are politically naive.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:31:51 -0500, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
...
How about what other countries have to say? If you follow any foreign
news sources at all... really easy nowadays... you can get first hand
reports about the impact of Bush/Cheney foreign policies.


Dave Hall wrote:
Who cares what they say?

People who want to be well informed with actual facts, that's who.



Social Security? Why? If they wanted a *conservative* approach to SS
reform, they'd reduce taxes and then reduce SS benefits to be fully
supportable by future taxes. If they want to encourage people saving for
their own future (a laudable goal) they could reduce taxes for the
middle class and increase 401(k) deductible.


If you would bother to read Bush's plan, you would find that you've
described essentially what he wants to do.

Negative.

Bush's "plan" as revealed so far is to divert SS taxes into "private
accounts" which will be managed by favored Wall St'ers.

But hey... why go with the facts when propaganda makes you feel much
better?

DSK

LETS GET REAL HERE!! The real reason the Democrats are against ANY plan
for PRIVATE savings is because THEY CAN"T SPEND that money. The reasons the
Republicans are for this is 1) They believe it will benefit the public, and
2) It robs the democrats of money they need to buy their power base. It
shrinks the size of the federal budget.

If you believe otherwise you are politically naive.


You know that, I know that, and most politically savvy people know
that. But before we can enlighten the hopelessly indoctrinated
liberals (and those who claim to be conservatives), to see this, we
have to first defuse the idea that Bush's private account proposal is
not much different than the current 401K plan that most people already
have.

Liberals have to demonize this plan to put people in charge of their
own retirement planning by spinning it as a windfall for
wall-streeters, simply because investment firms usually manage such
plans. The fee for managing a 401K is usually much less than interest
earned, so you're still ahead of the game.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:31:51 -0500, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
...
How about what other countries have to say? If you follow any foreign
news sources at all... really easy nowadays... you can get first hand
reports about the impact of Bush/Cheney foreign policies.


Dave Hall wrote:
Who cares what they say?

People who want to be well informed with actual facts, that's who.



Social Security? Why? If they wanted a *conservative* approach to SS
reform, they'd reduce taxes and then reduce SS benefits to be fully
supportable by future taxes. If they want to encourage people saving
for
their own future (a laudable goal) they could reduce taxes for the
middle class and increase 401(k) deductible.


If you would bother to read Bush's plan, you would find that you've
described essentially what he wants to do.

Negative.

Bush's "plan" as revealed so far is to divert SS taxes into "private
accounts" which will be managed by favored Wall St'ers.

But hey... why go with the facts when propaganda makes you feel much
better?

DSK

LETS GET REAL HERE!! The real reason the Democrats are against ANY plan
for PRIVATE savings is because THEY CAN"T SPEND that money. The reasons
the
Republicans are for this is 1) They believe it will benefit the public,
and
2) It robs the democrats of money they need to buy their power base. It
shrinks the size of the federal budget.

If you believe otherwise you are politically naive.


You know that, I know that, and most politically savvy people know
that. But before we can enlighten the hopelessly indoctrinated
liberals (and those who claim to be conservatives), to see this, we
have to first defuse the idea that Bush's private account proposal is
not much different than the current 401K plan that most people already
have.

Liberals have to demonize this plan to put people in charge of their
own retirement planning by spinning it as a windfall for
wall-streeters, simply because investment firms usually manage such
plans. The fee for managing a 401K is usually much less than interest
earned, so you're still ahead of the game.

Dave
I've noticed that no-one on the left here answered my comment. Hmmmm,
maybe they do know something and they are just rabid democrats.

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 07:08:37 -0500, "Jeff Rigby" wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:31:51 -0500, "Jeff Rigby"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
...
How about what other countries have to say? If you follow any foreign
news sources at all... really easy nowadays... you can get first hand
reports about the impact of Bush/Cheney foreign policies.


Dave Hall wrote:
Who cares what they say?

People who want to be well informed with actual facts, that's who.



Social Security? Why? If they wanted a *conservative* approach to SS
reform, they'd reduce taxes and then reduce SS benefits to be fully
supportable by future taxes. If they want to encourage people saving
for
their own future (a laudable goal) they could reduce taxes for the
middle class and increase 401(k) deductible.


If you would bother to read Bush's plan, you would find that you've
described essentially what he wants to do.

Negative.

Bush's "plan" as revealed so far is to divert SS taxes into "private
accounts" which will be managed by favored Wall St'ers.

But hey... why go with the facts when propaganda makes you feel much
better?

DSK

LETS GET REAL HERE!! The real reason the Democrats are against ANY plan
for PRIVATE savings is because THEY CAN"T SPEND that money. The reasons
the
Republicans are for this is 1) They believe it will benefit the public,
and
2) It robs the democrats of money they need to buy their power base. It
shrinks the size of the federal budget.

If you believe otherwise you are politically naive.


You know that, I know that, and most politically savvy people know
that. But before we can enlighten the hopelessly indoctrinated
liberals (and those who claim to be conservatives), to see this, we
have to first defuse the idea that Bush's private account proposal is
not much different than the current 401K plan that most people already
have.

Liberals have to demonize this plan to put people in charge of their
own retirement planning by spinning it as a windfall for
wall-streeters, simply because investment firms usually manage such
plans. The fee for managing a 401K is usually much less than interest
earned, so you're still ahead of the game.

Dave
I've noticed that no-one on the left here answered my comment. Hmmmm,
maybe they do know something and they are just rabid democrats.

Sometimes they realize they're whipped and slink off to another thread.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."