NOYB wrote:
I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Same here, and I'm a lot closer to collecting than you are. If Bush &
Cheney were seriously interested in reforming or fixing Social Security
(instead of their plan being a subterfuge to harvest campaign
contributions from Wall St), they'd offer that option.

However, you're forgetting the other half of the equation. The SS Trust
is the biggest under writer of the U.S. deficit, which Bush/Cheney have
increased enormously. By bowing out of the SS plan, you'd be effectively
voting with your dollars.

DSK

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism... while
complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists ought to
be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.

I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.

Exactly......

In the mean time, I consider it getting stolen money back, not accepting
socialism, nor is it hypocrisy.

I could retire years ahead, or pass money on to others, if it were not being
stolen from me.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Same here, and I'm a lot closer to collecting than you are. If Bush &
Cheney were seriously interested in reforming or fixing Social Security
(instead of their plan being a subterfuge to harvest campaign
contributions from Wall St), they'd offer that option.


They can't. That's the fundamental flaw of the system. We're not putting
money away for our retirement. We're paying for the retirement of those who
are now retired.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
NOYB wrote:
I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Same here, and I'm a lot closer to collecting than you are. If Bush &
Cheney were seriously interested in reforming or fixing Social Security
(instead of their plan being a subterfuge to harvest campaign
contributions from Wall St), they'd offer that option.


They can't. That's the fundamental flaw of the system. We're not putting
money away for our retirement. We're paying for the retirement of those
who are now retired.

And the surplus is being spent by congress on every social program you can
imgine.

The proper thing to do would be to eliminate it entirely, take the 15% that
is being contributed and channel it into a personally retirement account
out of which you would be allowed to buy disability and life insurance.
Hopefully, what Bush is doing is the first step in weaning the clueless off
the guvmint dole.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

NOYB wrote:

I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Same here, and I'm a lot closer to collecting than you are. If Bush &
Cheney were seriously interested in reforming or fixing Social Security
(instead of their plan being a subterfuge to harvest campaign
contributions from Wall St), they'd offer that option.



They can't. That's the fundamental flaw of the system. We're not
putting money away for our retirement. We're paying for the retirement
of those who are now retired.




Those who are now retired made it possible for you.

Some of them.

I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


P.Fritz wrote:
Exactly......

In the mean time, I consider it getting stolen money back, not accepting
socialism, nor is it hypocrisy.


Well, whatever you "consider" it, you are accepting benefits from a
socialist program.

I could retire years ahead, or pass money on to others, if it were not being
stolen from me.


Nah, you'd have frittered it away like you did your take-home pay. If
you weren't already saving & investing wisely, increasing your take-home
by the amount taken for Social Security would not have changed your
financial status.

DSK

NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism... while
complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists ought to be
killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect. If the
truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also collect.

Jim, wrote:
Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect. If the
truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also collect.

A big part of Bush & Cheney's strategy is to create a public perception
of what Social Security is *not*, so they can attack it (sort of like
they did with Kerry).

The Bush-Cheney cheerleaders here will not acknowledge any of this,
since their "knowledge" of Social Security (hey, if you're collecting,
it's not even socialistic!) is based on this spin-meistering (which of
course depends on ignorance).

Besides, this newfangled Social Darwinism (disguised as 'compassionate
conservatism') assumes that any worker stupid enough to be in a low wage
job, thus unable to afford good insurance, and dies young, deserves to
have his family suffer in poverty.

DSK

"Jim," wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .

Fits wrote:
Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......

Sure it does.

Accepting a Social Security benefits check... which is socialism... while
complaining about socialism, especially saying that socialists ought to
be killed... is just outright hypocrisy.


I'd happily forgo my Social Security check later in life as long as I am
exempt from paying FICA today.


Remember that SS is for more than retirement. Should you get hit by a
truck tomorrow, and are unable to work, you get to collect.

I buy personal disability insurance for that kind of thing.

If the truck kills you, your wife and kids (assuming you have any) also
collect.

That's why my life policy is for.

wrote in message
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Fits wrote:

Accepting the guvmint check returning the money that has essentially
been
stolen from you every year of your working life....more or less at gun
point.......does NOT negate the complaint against socialism.......AND
'proceeds'...........a 2% return on the stolen money....and chuck wants
to
call it proceeds? He is really giving the current "king" a run for
his
money.

***************

Today's standard: "Socialism is OK when it directly benefits me. I will
justify my suck on the government teat by pointing out that I was
forced, through taxation, to contribute to the government
during my working years and that because I am special I now deserve to
get my money back. Socialism in not OK when it benefits somebody else.
The only good Socialist is a dead socialist, but hands off the
socialist who signs the monthly check for my little piece of the
socialist security system, please."


Actually it is a -0.3% return on your SS contributions.