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It's your Uncle Sam calling...
Harry Krause wrote: Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft, Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. LOL Rolling Stone? now THAT'S credability....LOL draft? take it up with congress. its not any presidents call. |
Tim wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft, Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. LOL Rolling Stone? now THAT'S credability....LOL How about the memo FROM the selective service, is that not credible? |
On 3 Mar 2005 20:35:13 -0800, "Tim" wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft, Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. LOL Rolling Stone? now THAT'S credability....LOL draft? take it up with congress. its not any presidents call. The purpose of the Selective Service System is to make plans for an eventuality where a draft may be needed. Many liberals find out that planning is occurring and start their 'Chicken Little' routine. Laughable. I guess they'd rather have the Selective Service folks just sit around and watch CNN all day. John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
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What lie? Recruiting goals have been met only because of stop-loss and
recalls, and quotas kept low by DoD to avoid embarrassment. Even with these quiet acts of desperation, the Army was 27% short of recruiting goals in February. This link is to a site put together by service men and women who want some truth to get out about our kids sent to the meat grinder: http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm?acti...alendar&lnav=7 These kids are Americas heroes. Are you going to call them liars? Our active duty and reserve troops are wrung out and there is no end in site in Iraq and with democracy threatening Syria and Iran how do you think the new, not to mention the current requirements are going to be met? A draft. I personally had a little battle with Krause a couple years ago over his not buying into my parties "reasons" for going into Iraq. I was given the opportunity to actually read, study, and familiarize myself with the administration, our reasons for the war, my party and my party's antics, as well as the real treatment our troops get while serving and the treatment the troops get if disabled. This "opportunity" was a one year recovery period from getting half my left shin blown off just North of Baghdad. Now, I think a lot more along Harry's lines than yours. Being aware will make you angry, so if you can't handle being angry; keep your hear in the sand. " Tuuk" wrote in message ... krause, you're not only a liar, but today also an idiot. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft, Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. Is it just me, or do you feel a draft? In last year's presidential run, young voters were wary that Bush & Co. was quietly preparing for a military draft. The concern was spreading so quickly that George himself was rushed out to denounce what he called "rumors on the internets," and he flatly declared: "We're not going to have a draft - period." Donnie Rumsfeld went even farther, offering this absolute statement: "The idea of reinstating the draft has never been debated, endorsed, discussed, theorized, pondered, or even whispered by anyone in the Bush administration." The problem for political liars is that they don't know when to stop. They keep piling it on until the lie becomes too extreme and too big to be true. Rumsfeld's denial, for example, was incredible when he issued it, and now we learn that it was patently untrue - i.e., a bold-faced lie issued for political purposes. Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. It details a meeting with two of Rummie's top aides early in 2003, specifically to debate, discuss, ponder, and otherwise consider reinstating the draft. Indeed, the head of the Selective Service later testified before Congress that, following "consultations with senior Defense manpower officials," the agency began preparing a plan to draft Americans who have special skills that the military needs, such as nurses and doctors. But conscripting people with medical skills is just a start. A Selective Service official confides that "with some very slight tinkering, we could change that skill to plumbers or linguists or electrical engineers or whatever the military was short." Military troop levels are already stretched to the breaking point, and now George W. is beating the war drums to move on to Iran, Syria and maybe North Korea. In other words, forget the official lies - Uncle Sam Wants You! Jim Hightower is the best-selling author of "Let's Stop Beating Around the Bush," from Viking Press. For more information, visit jimhightower.com. http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/21394/ |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. ...the rumors of a draft, Since the end of active troop conscription in the seventies, the retained staff of the SS System has constantly maintained and updated plans to reinstitute conscription should the need arise. This is their job, just as Pentagon planners maintain war plans that cover a multitude of likely and unlkely scenarios, and Interior considers scenarios regarding National Parks, and the Corps of Engineers performs hypothetical flood planning. You know this, Harry, because you're a bright guy. But you can't resist falling for and tossing out a piece of manipulated half truth, because the kool-aid has melted a few too many brain cells. Sad....... |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. ...the rumors of a draft, Since the end of active troop conscription in the seventies, the retained staff of the SS System has constantly maintained and updated plans to reinstitute conscription should the need arise. This is their job, just as Pentagon planners maintain war plans that cover a multitude of likely and unlkely scenarios, and Interior considers scenarios regarding National Parks, and the Corps of Engineers performs hypothetical flood planning. You know this, Harry, because you're a bright guy. But you can't resist falling for and tossing out a piece of manipulated half truth, because the kool-aid has melted a few too many brain cells. Sad....... |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... MMC wrote: What lie? Recruiting goals have been met only because of stop-loss and recalls, and quotas kept low by DoD to avoid embarrassment. Even with these quiet acts of desperation, the Army was 27% short of recruiting goals in February. This link is to a site put together by service men and women who want some truth to get out about our kids sent to the meat grinder: http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm?acti...alendar&lnav=7 These kids are Americas heroes. Are you going to call them liars? Our active duty and reserve troops are wrung out and there is no end in site in Iraq and with democracy threatening Syria and Iran how do you think the new, not to mention the current requirements are going to be met? A draft. I personally had a little battle with Krause a couple years ago over his not buying into my parties "reasons" for going into Iraq. I was given the opportunity to actually read, study, and familiarize myself with the administration, our reasons for the war, my party and my party's antics, as well as the real treatment our troops get while serving and the treatment the troops get if disabled. This "opportunity" was a one year recovery period from getting half my left shin blown off just North of Baghdad. Now, I think a lot more along Harry's lines than yours. Being aware will make you angry, so if you can't handle being angry; keep your hear in the sand. " Tuuk" wrote in message ... krause, you're not only a liar, but today also an idiot. "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft, Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. Is it just me, or do you feel a draft? In last year's presidential run, young voters were wary that Bush & Co. was quietly preparing for a military draft. The concern was spreading so quickly that George himself was rushed out to denounce what he called "rumors on the internets," and he flatly declared: "We're not going to have a draft - period." Donnie Rumsfeld went even farther, offering this absolute statement: "The idea of reinstating the draft has never been debated, endorsed, discussed, theorized, pondered, or even whispered by anyone in the Bush administration." The problem for political liars is that they don't know when to stop. They keep piling it on until the lie becomes too extreme and too big to be true. Rumsfeld's denial, for example, was incredible when he issued it, and now we learn that it was patently untrue - i.e., a bold-faced lie issued for political purposes. Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. It details a meeting with two of Rummie's top aides early in 2003, specifically to debate, discuss, ponder, and otherwise consider reinstating the draft. Indeed, the head of the Selective Service later testified before Congress that, following "consultations with senior Defense manpower officials," the agency began preparing a plan to draft Americans who have special skills that the military needs, such as nurses and doctors. But conscripting people with medical skills is just a start. A Selective Service official confides that "with some very slight tinkering, we could change that skill to plumbers or linguists or electrical engineers or whatever the military was short." Military troop levels are already stretched to the breaking point, and now George W. is beating the war drums to move on to Iran, Syria and maybe North Korea. In other words, forget the official lies - Uncle Sam Wants You! Jim Hightower is the best-selling author of "Let's Stop Beating Around the Bush," from Viking Press. For more information, visit jimhightower.com. http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/21394/ Sorry to hear about your injury. I hope you are going to recover decently. Just to add a bit of "other" perspective to your post, while Bush has been sending our young men Bush didn't send MMC over there. He was a civilian contractor. |
Harry Krause wrote: snip One might thank that with "terrorism" uppermost on Bush's mind, he would pay much more attention to the actual defense of the homeland. But he really isn't. Our US Border Patrol along the border with Mexico has only a tiny fraction of the manpower and wherewithal it needs for the job. Our ports are not properly protected. Container ships and their containers are not properly searched, and our east and west coastlines are wide open. snip It's impossible to a thinking person to take Bush seriously on homeland security. There isn't any. Careful, Harry. You're at risk of siding up with a very conservative crowd on an issue. There are lot of repubs, neocons, whatever you want to call them that are ****ed a "W" over the issue of illegal immigration. I heard in an radio interview this morning that the Border Patrol has caught something like 80,000 people illegally crossing from Mexico just since the beginning of the fiscal year (IIRC the federal fiscal year starts in October). They acknowledge that over 600 of these people caught had links to know terror groups. The BP admits that they get 1 in 4 at best. Something like 20% of the people coming across the border are "OTMs" (other than Mexican). There are a surprising number of people from other continents sneaking in via Mexico. And most of the OTMs are released if the BP can't find any criminal history on them. Conservatives are going to have to face up to the fact that President Bush is failing miserably on border security. And it isn't because he is inept - he knows what is happening and chooses to do pretty much nothing. |
wrote in message oups.com... Tim wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Uncle Sam Wants You By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005. While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft, Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective Service memo that reveals the lie. LOL Rolling Stone? now THAT'S credability....LOL How about the memo FROM the selective service, is that not credible? Not since Harry posted it here... he admits to editing the news stories before posting if he doesn't like the content. |
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