"John H" wrote in message
...
The purpose of the Selective Service System is to make plans for an
eventuality
where a draft may be needed. Many liberals find out that planning is
occurring
and start their 'Chicken Little' routine.

Laughable. I guess they'd rather have the Selective Service folks just sit
around and watch CNN all day.


John H

Liberals claim no planning took place, and they cry. Liberals find out
planning is taking place, and they cry.

Well, liberals just cry, period.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:07:32 GMT, "Jack Goff" wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
The purpose of the Selective Service System is to make plans for an
eventuality
where a draft may be needed. Many liberals find out that planning is
occurring
and start their 'Chicken Little' routine.

Laughable. I guess they'd rather have the Selective Service folks just sit
around and watch CNN all day.


John H

Liberals claim no planning took place, and they cry. Liberals find out
planning is taking place, and they cry.

Well, liberals just cry, period.


That's the funniest thing I've seen today, except for some crying!


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Jack Goff" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...
The purpose of the Selective Service System is to make plans for an
eventuality
where a draft may be needed. Many liberals find out that planning is
occurring
and start their 'Chicken Little' routine.

Laughable. I guess they'd rather have the Selective Service folks just
sit
around and watch CNN all day.


John H

Liberals claim no planning took place, and they cry. Liberals find out
planning is taking place, and they cry.

Well, liberals just cry, period.


THey don't just cry.....they whine!!!!

You're right NOYB, I am a civilian contractor. I hit the ground in Baghdad 4
hours after the photo op on the carrier deck. We had to wait for clearance
to enter Baghdad airspace so as not to get shot down by the Patriot
batteries at the airport.
As a contractor, if I want to keep my job, I go where I'm told, and I (and
the rest of the world) was told by our highest authority that the war was
over.
I've had the job a lot longer that we've been in Iraq, so no, I'm not one of
the guys and girls that signed on for Iraq. I don't have anything against
the people that did, most signed on and went over because there are no jobs
at home.
I was actually paid less while in Iraq than I get paid in places that are a
lot safer than most US cities.
I didn't go for the money, I went because it was my job.
Thanks for the concern Harry, I'm doing pretty well.
Did you hear the Border Patrol has been cut $100,000,000 over the last 2
years? That came out on Lou Dobbs's program.
I just love the "patriots" on these sites: Stick a yellow sticker on your
car and HooYah! I'm supporting the troops!
MMC

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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MMC wrote:
What lie? Recruiting goals have been met only because of stop-loss and
recalls, and quotas kept low by DoD to avoid embarrassment.
Even with these quiet acts of desperation, the Army was 27% short of
recruiting goals in February.
This link is to a site put together by service men and women who want
some truth to get out about our kids sent to the meat grinder:
http://www.optruth.org/main.cfm?acti...alendar&lnav=7
These kids are Americas heroes. Are you going to call them liars?
Our active duty and reserve troops are wrung out and there is no end in
site in Iraq and with democracy threatening Syria and Iran how do you
think the new, not to mention the current requirements are going to be
met?
A draft.
I personally had a little battle with Krause a couple years ago over his
not buying into my parties "reasons" for going into Iraq.
I was given the opportunity to actually read, study, and familiarize
myself with the administration, our reasons for the war, my party and my
party's antics, as well as the real treatment our troops get while
serving and the treatment the troops get if disabled.
This "opportunity" was a one year recovery period from getting half my
left shin blown off just North of Baghdad.
Now, I think a lot more along Harry's lines than yours.
Being aware will make you angry, so if you can't handle being angry;
keep your hear in the sand.

" Tuuk" wrote in message
news
krause, you're not only a liar, but today also an idiot.






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Uncle Sam Wants You
By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted March 2, 2005.

While George himself rushed out to denounce the rumors of a draft,
Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective
Service memo that reveals the lie.

Is it just me, or do you feel a draft?

In last year's presidential run, young voters were wary that Bush &
Co. was quietly preparing for a military draft. The concern was
spreading so quickly that George himself was rushed out to denounce
what he called "rumors on the internets," and he flatly declared:
"We're not going to have a draft - period." Donnie Rumsfeld went even
farther, offering this absolute statement: "The idea of reinstating
the draft has never been debated, endorsed, discussed, theorized,
pondered, or even whispered by anyone in the Bush administration."

The problem for political liars is that they don't know when to stop.
They keep piling it on until the lie becomes too extreme and too big
to be true. Rumsfeld's denial, for example, was incredible when he
issued it, and now we learn that it was patently untrue - i.e., a
bold-faced lie issued for political purposes.

Rolling Stone magazine recently unearthed an internal Selective
Service memo that reveals the lie. It details a meeting with two of
Rummie's top aides early in 2003, specifically to debate, discuss,
ponder, and otherwise consider reinstating the draft. Indeed, the head
of the Selective Service later testified before Congress that,
following "consultations with senior Defense manpower officials," the
agency began preparing a plan to draft Americans who have special
skills that the military needs, such as nurses and doctors.

But conscripting people with medical skills is just a start. A
Selective Service official confides that "with some very slight
tinkering, we could change that skill to plumbers or linguists or
electrical engineers or whatever the military was short."

Military troop levels are already stretched to the breaking point, and
now George W. is beating the war drums to move on to Iran, Syria and
maybe North Korea. In other words, forget the official lies - Uncle
Sam Wants You!


Jim Hightower is the best-selling author of "Let's Stop Beating Around
the Bush," from Viking Press. For more information, visit
jimhightower.com.

http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/21394/





Sorry to hear about your injury. I hope you are going to recover
decently.

Just to add a bit of "other" perspective to your post, while Bush has
been sending our young men

Bush didn't send MMC over there. He was a civilian contractor.

Immigrants entering into the U.S. is actually good for the country.

With all the krauses in the country, the fat lazy union slobs who have
forced businesses out of business and have forced jobs oversees. By allowing
these immigrant workers to come in will at least keep jobs in the U.S.
because they are not the lazy fat union slobs like krause is who instantly
bites the hand that feeds them, just before they destroy the business and
send it over to a more cooperative workforce.







"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
oups.com...

Harry Krause wrote:
snip
One might thank that with "terrorism" uppermost on Bush's mind, he
would
pay much more attention to the actual defense of the homeland. But he

really isn't. Our US Border Patrol along the border with Mexico has
only
a tiny fraction of the manpower and wherewithal it needs for the job.

Our ports are not properly protected. Container ships and their
containers are not properly searched, and our east and west
coastlines
are wide open.
snip
It's impossible to a thinking person to take Bush seriously on
homeland
security. There isn't any.

Careful, Harry. You're at risk of siding up with a very conservative
crowd on an issue. There are lot of repubs, neocons, whatever you want
to call them that are ****ed a "W" over the issue of illegal
immigration.

I heard in an radio interview this morning that the Border Patrol has
caught something like 80,000 people illegally crossing from Mexico just
since the beginning of the fiscal year (IIRC the federal fiscal year
starts in October). They acknowledge that over 600 of these people
caught had links to know terror groups.

The BP admits that they get 1 in 4 at best.

Something like 20% of the people coming across the border are "OTMs"
(other than Mexican). There are a surprising number of people from
other continents sneaking in via Mexico. And most of the OTMs are
released if the BP can't find any criminal history on them.

Conservatives are going to have to face up to the fact that President
Bush is failing miserably on border security. And it isn't because he
is inept - he knows what is happening and chooses to do pretty much
nothing.

Anyone taking bets on when "W" tries to reinstate the draft?? I'm
picking June 31.

N.L. Eckert wrote:

Anyone taking bets on when "W" tries to reinstate the draft?? I'm
picking June 31.

According to the following website June 15

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_draft.htm

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:28:25 -0500, (N.L. Eckert) wrote:

Anyone taking bets on when "W" tries to reinstate the draft?? I'm
picking June 31.

"W" doesn't want it. Pelosi and Reid want it.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:28:25 -0500, (N.L. Eckert) wrote:


Anyone taking bets on when "W" tries to reinstate the draft?? I'm
picking June 31.


"W" doesn't want it. Pelosi and Reid want it.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

More important -- the military wants and needs more people. How do you
propose they get them?

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:51:27 -0500, John H wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 09:28:25 -0500, (N.L. Eckert) wrote:

Anyone taking bets on when "W" tries to reinstate the draft?? I'm
picking June 31.

"W" doesn't want it. Pelosi and Reid want it.

He may not want it, but if Iraq doesn't stabilize, he may need it.