O.k, so, I bought a boat.......
 

last May, as a matter of fact.

It happened like this........

I was at a gathering of folks who participate in another newsgroup which
shall (for the moment, anyway) remain nameless. Over the course of the last
ten years or so, bunches of us have gotten together numerous times all over
the U.S., Canada, and parts of Europe, to engage in a number of activities
we enjoy. Exactly what those activities are I will leave to others
(assuming any of them show up here and feel a need to bear their breasts) to
describe in detail. Suffice it to say that they typically include fishing.
Anyway, back in May, one of the frequent participants (who happens also to
have become a good friend) finally carried through on a perennial threat to
bring along a couple of kayaks, and we spent a wonderful day.....in the
company of some other good friends..... floating down a river, making
frequent stops to get out and fish promising looking riffles, holes, pools,
runs, etc.

I was so enthralled with the whole event that within 48 hours of arriving
back home at the end of a week long romp, I went out and bought a 9.5'
Perception Sundance (as close as I could come to the boat I'd used) and a
paddle, and went for a float down a local river. This was fun, but without
the fishing, it just wasn't the same.

So........

I went out on Lake Michigan and promptly shipped about 6 cubic feet of water
over the bow when the first 6 inch wave broke over it. "Hm......," thinks
I, "this won't do at all, at all". So, I went back to the store and bought
a spray skirt. "AH!, that's more like it!"

Since then, I've spent a couple hundred hours out on the big lake and
covered as many miles. I've paddled pretty much the entire shoreline from
the Illinois/Wisconsin state line to Sheboygan, and stopped for lunch at the
Rock Bottom Club on the Milwaukee river.

Big waves are FUN! :)

Um........I guess I don't have any questions.......right now.

Wolfgang
hey, charley..........you were right! :)

Wolfgang wrote:
last May, as a matter of fact.

It happened like this........

I was at a gathering of folks who participate in another newsgroup
which
shall (for the moment, anyway) remain nameless. Over the course of
the last
ten years or so, bunches of us have gotten together numerous times
all over
the U.S., Canada, and parts of Europe, to engage in a number of
activities
we enjoy. Exactly what those activities are I will leave to others
(assuming any of them show up here and feel a need to bear their
breasts) to
describe in detail. Suffice it to say that they typically include
fishing.
Anyway, back in May, one of the frequent participants (who happens
also to
have become a good friend) finally carried through on a perennial
threat to
bring along a couple of kayaks, and we spent a wonderful day.....in
the
company of some other good friends..... floating down a river, making

frequent stops to get out and fish promising looking riffles, holes,
pools,
runs, etc.

I was so enthralled with the whole event that within 48 hours of
arriving
back home at the end of a week long romp, I went out and bought a
9.5'
Perception Sundance (as close as I could come to the boat I'd used)
and a
paddle, and went for a float down a local river. This was fun, but
without
the fishing, it just wasn't the same.

So........

I went out on Lake Michigan and promptly shipped about 6 cubic feet
of water
over the bow when the first 6 inch wave broke over it. "Hm......,"
thinks
I, "this won't do at all, at all". So, I went back to the store and
bought
a spray skirt. "AH!, that's more like it!"

Since then, I've spent a couple hundred hours out on the big lake and

covered as many miles. I've paddled pretty much the entire shoreline
from
the Illinois/Wisconsin state line to Sheboygan, and stopped for lunch
at the
Rock Bottom Club on the Milwaukee river.

Big waves are FUN! :)

Um........I guess I don't have any questions.......right now.

Wolfgang
hey, charley..........you were right! :)

Wolfgang wrote in another thread,
"who is still searching for a new community."

Wolfgang, I have been doing some of my notorious research, and you can
ask riverman what I mean. I found some intriguing reading, and yet
would look forward to your continuing input in this NG. You ask me if I
had any idea of what community means, and I can only invite you to join
this one if you are indeed searching for a new community.

Anyway since you bought a boat, and found the big waves are fun, there
are a bunch of folks here that would have to agree with you. Despite
some of our vocal difference, we also have the same sense of fun and
life, found in the seat of a boat that can be paddled. A few of us like
to fish as well. I've been glad to meet you. TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote in another thread,
"who is still searching for a new community."

Wolfgang, I have been doing some of my notorious research, and you
can
ask riverman what I mean. I found some intriguing reading, and yet
would look forward to your continuing input in this NG. You ask me
if I
had any idea of what community means, and I can only invite you to
join
this one if you are indeed searching for a new community.

Well, the comment about searching for a new community was simply a
hasty gut reaction to learning about the proliferation of guns in
convents. In fact, I'm not searching actively. On the other hand,
I've always been intrigued by how people live and react with one
another in exotic foreign cultures........I may stick around for a
while. :)

Anyway since you bought a boat, and found the big waves are fun,
there
are a bunch of folks here that would have to agree with you. Despite
some of our vocal difference, we also have the same sense of fun and
life, found in the seat of a boat that can be paddled. A few of us
like
to fish as well. I've been glad to meet you.

Thanks.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...


Wolfgang wrote in another thread,
"who is still searching for a new community."

Wolfgang, I have been doing some of my notorious research, and you
can
ask riverman what I mean. I found some intriguing reading, and yet
would look forward to your continuing input in this NG. You ask me
if I
had any idea of what community means, and I can only invite you to
join
this one if you are indeed searching for a new community.

Well, the comment about searching for a new community was simply a
hasty gut reaction to learning about the proliferation of guns in
convents. In fact, I'm not searching actively. On the other hand,
I've always been intrigued by how people live and react with one
another in exotic foreign cultures........I may stick around for a
while. :)

Well, since TnT has gotten here, I think rbp qualifies as a foreign culture,
and as such, is probably on a list to be invaded by the US forces sometime
in the next 3 years. I suspect it already has been.

"I found some intriguing reading, and yet would look forward to your
continuing input in this NG."

....and yet! Wow, if he only knew.

"...and I can only invite you to join this one if you are indeed searching
for a new community."

You probably don't need me to point it out, Wolfie, but Tinkerntom is
neither our official inviter/greeter, nor the keeper of the gate. He's more
like our new Village Idiot. We're unmoderated, so everyone is welcome here,
as long as they wipe their feet at the door. Don't let the recent puppy
tracks all over the place give you a poor impression.

And welcome aboard. Now I can stop crossposting. :-)

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
...

...We're unmoderated, so everyone is welcome here,
as long as they wipe their feet at the door.

It sometimes takes me a while to find the mat but, as you know, I try
to be neat. :)

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:

last May, as a matter of fact.

It happened like this........


I bought two boats over the last year. I got a canoe last summer; a
Mohawk Intrepid 17, outfitted with a 3rd seat. *Just* bought a kayak,
a Necky Manitou. Style and size decision was based on the rivers where
I paddle.

The North and South Forks of the Shenandoah River in Virginia are
shallow, meandering, introspective rivers. I can cartop the canoe or
kayak on my VW Beetle and be on either river in 10 minutes. Can't
always find someone to canoe with, so I got the kayak.

The canoe is heavy royalex, weighing about 78 lb. I can get it on the
Beetle by myself, but it's a little bit of a strain. Getting it on and
off my wife's truck by myself is a pain. The kayak is half the weight
of the canoe, so cartopping barely outweighs the thought it takes to
do it.

I plan to rig the kayak for fishing. There're lots of pictures on the
'net showing milk crates and pvc pipe all bungeed and zip-tied
together for this purpose. But, I also plan to play in the river, so I
avoided a sit-on-top kayak. Also, a sit-in style will let me run and
fish the river into the cooler season.

On another topic, there are consumption advisories for fish caught in
many of the rivers near me, and outright bans on some sections. The
nature of paddling allows us to make close and frequent observations
of the ecological health of the waters where we boat. I was hoping to
see the environment become a topic of discussion in this forum.





--
"This president has destroyed the country, the economy,
the relationship with the rest of the world.
He's a monster in the White House. He should resign."

- Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003.

"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message
...

The canoe is heavy royalex, weighing about 78 lb. I can get it on the
Beetle by myself, but it's a little bit of a strain. Getting it on and off
my wife's truck by myself is a pain. The kayak is half the weight of the
canoe, so cartopping barely outweighs the thought it takes to do it.

As a canoeist who refuses to cross to the dark side, I can suggest several
ways to cartop your heavy canoe. A simple method is to drag it, rightside
up, to the car, perpendicular at the front door. Then lift the bow and
drag/lay it on the top of the cab. Lift the stern, and walk around the side
of the truck until the boat is lying lengthwise on the cab, drop the stern
to raise the bow, and shove it forward.

This works best if your racks are a bit close together, so that the initial
laydown is on a rack rather than on the roof itself. The moment you lift the
stern with the bow laying on the roof is the tricky moment...you have to
keep the bow from falling off as you start the walkaround. You could even
run a brace between the two racks to provide a bar to lay the canoe onto at
first.

--riverman

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"riverman" wrote in message
...

...We're unmoderated, so everyone is welcome here,
as long as they wipe their feet at the door.

It sometimes takes me a while to find the mat but, as you know, I try
to be neat. :)


Even more than that, I bet you have some excellent contributions vis-a-vis
outdoor cooking. Now that you've been introduced to the dark side
(kayaking), I hope to someday have a chance to show you the REAL way to
enjoy the water: open boat tripping. You can even cast from your boat, and
the stuff you can bring along....a chefs dream.

--riverman

riverman wrote:

"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message
...


The canoe is heavy royalex, weighing about 78 lb. I can get it on the
Beetle by myself, but it's a little bit of a strain. Getting it on and off
my wife's truck by myself is a pain. The kayak is half the weight of the
canoe, so cartopping barely outweighs the thought it takes to do it.


As a canoeist who refuses to cross to the dark side, I can suggest several
ways to cartop your heavy canoe. A simple method is to drag it, rightside
up, to the car, perpendicular at the front door. Then lift the bow and
drag/lay it on the top of the cab. Lift the stern, and walk around the side
of the truck until the boat is lying lengthwise on the cab, drop the stern
to raise the bow, and shove it forward.

This works best if your racks are a bit close together, so that the initial
laydown is on a rack rather than on the roof itself. The moment you lift the
stern with the bow laying on the roof is the tricky moment...you have to
keep the bow from falling off as you start the walkaround. You could even
run a brace between the two racks to provide a bar to lay the canoe onto at
first.


Elegant! I'm always humbled when presented with a solution that is
simple and overlooked. Much obliged.





--
"This president has destroyed the country, the economy,
the relationship with the rest of the world.
He's a monster in the White House. He should resign."

- Hunter S. Thompson, speaking to an antiwar audience in 2003.

"riverman" wrote in message
...

Even more than that, I bet you have some excellent contributions
vis-a-vis
outdoor cooking.

I tend to keep it simple in the great out of doors.......I generally
focus on other aspects of the trip. That said, with the equipment
available today the possibilities are endless. A recipe or two might
show up from time to time.

Now that you've been introduced to the dark side
(kayaking), I hope to someday have a chance to show you the REAL way
to
enjoy the water: open boat tripping. You can even cast from your
boat, and
the stuff you can bring along....a chefs dream.


I own a canoe, and have done some tripping in the past. I've always
enjoyed it but the maneuverability of the kayak makes it a lot more
fun for me.

And, as far as the fishing is concerned, I see the boat mainly as a
means of getting from place to place. I'm really not at all fond of
fishing from boats. As you know, it can be problematic with a fly
rod.

Wolfgang

"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message
...
riverman wrote:

"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message
...


The canoe is heavy royalex, weighing about 78 lb. I can get it on the
Beetle by myself, but it's a little bit of a strain. Getting it on and
off my wife's truck by myself is a pain. The kayak is half the weight of
the canoe, so cartopping barely outweighs the thought it takes to do it.


As a canoeist who refuses to cross to the dark side, I can suggest
several ways to cartop your heavy canoe. A simple method is to drag it,
rightside up, to the car, perpendicular at the front door. Then lift the
bow and drag/lay it on the top of the cab. Lift the stern, and walk
around the side of the truck until the boat is lying lengthwise on the
cab, drop the stern to raise the bow, and shove it forward.

This works best if your racks are a bit close together, so that the
initial laydown is on a rack rather than on the roof itself. The moment
you lift the stern with the bow laying on the roof is the tricky
moment...you have to keep the bow from falling off as you start the
walkaround. You could even run a brace between the two racks to provide a
bar to lay the canoe onto at first.


Elegant! I'm always humbled when presented with a solution that is simple
and overlooked. Much obliged.



I forgot to mention that you can turn the canoe over so its bottom-up either
when you place the bow on the roof, or after you have it set on the racks. I
usually do it when I place the bow on the roof at first. You can also place
it rightside up, and just walk to the midship and roll it over (I do this
when my back is out). Also, if you want to protect your rooftop from
scratches (especially if you have a metal bowplate), putting your kneepads
or a small carpet down and placing the bowplate on it will help.

--riverman

riverman wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...


Wolfgang wrote in another thread,
"who is still searching for a new community."

Wolfgang, I have been doing some of my notorious research, and you
can
ask riverman what I mean. I found some intriguing reading, and yet
would look forward to your continuing input in this NG. You ask
me
if I
had any idea of what community means, and I can only invite you to
join
this one if you are indeed searching for a new community.

Well, the comment about searching for a new community was simply a
hasty gut reaction to learning about the proliferation of guns in
convents. In fact, I'm not searching actively. On the other hand,
I've always been intrigued by how people live and react with one
another in exotic foreign cultures........I may stick around for a
while. :)

Well, since TnT has gotten here, I think rbp qualifies as a foreign
culture,
and as such, is probably on a list to be invaded by the US forces
sometime
in the next 3 years. I suspect it already has been.

"I found some intriguing reading, and yet would look forward to your
continuing input in this NG."

...and yet! Wow, if he only knew.

"...and I can only invite you to join this one if you are indeed
searching
for a new community."

You probably don't need me to point it out, Wolfie, but Tinkerntom is

neither our official inviter/greeter, nor the keeper of the gate.
He's more
like our new Village Idiot. We're unmoderated, so everyone is welcome
here,
as long as they wipe their feet at the door. Don't let the recent
puppy
tracks all over the place give you a poor impression.

And welcome aboard. Now I can stop crossposting. :-)

--riverman

Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It takes a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT

"Wolfgang" wrote in :


"riverman" wrote in message
...

Even more than that, I bet you have some excellent contributions
vis-a-vis outdoor cooking.

I tend to keep it simple in the great out of doors.......I generally
focus on other aspects of the trip. That said, with the equipment
available today the possibilities are endless. A recipe or two might
show up from time to time.

Now that you've been introduced to the dark side (kayaking), I hope to
someday have a chance to show you the REAL way to enjoy the water:
open boat tripping. You can even cast from your boat, and the stuff
you can bring along....a chefs dream.


I own a canoe, and have done some tripping in the past. I've always
enjoyed it but the maneuverability of the kayak makes it a lot more
fun for me.

And, as far as the fishing is concerned, I see the boat mainly as a
means of getting from place to place. I'm really not at all fond of
fishing from boats. As you know, it can be problematic with a fly
rod.

When I first started kayaking one of my primary goals was to use the boat as
a means to get to point A to point B while where I could weild my flyrod. I
haven't done much kayak fishing since then but one trick I learned was to
bring along a little plastic paddle from a cheapo pool raft that I could use
to position the boat for casting. Casting from a kayak with a flyrod can be
difficult (having a good roll cast helps) but hook into a large fish and
it's a lot of fun. I once hooked into a very large carp that dragged me
around for a half an hour before it finally broke off. I saw the fish once
and it looked to be well over 10 pounds.

As far as the community goes, I've been participating on the Internet for 20
years and have been involved in a lot of them. Rec.boats.paddle is a good
one. I also participated in the flyfishing groups for a number of years (I
wrote the RFD for the flytying group) and made a lot of virtual friends from
those groups. A week ago or so I was sitting at home on a Sunday afternoon
and got a call from a guy that also used to read the FF groups. He'd been
in town on business and just looked me up to call and chat about the local
flyfishing before he got on a plane. It's not exactly fishing season here
but if he would have called earlier in the day we could have grabbed a
couple of my flyrods and ventured down to the lake to wet a fly. This
community is similar in that many regulars might meet up when traveling,
loan a kayak, and go out and spend some time on the water. I know that
there are quite a few people that have contributed to this group that I'd
love to paddle with some day.

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It takes a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT


Some Village Idiots ask to be kicked. It helps them define their self-image.
God knows why.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but
willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit
around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It
takes a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT


Some Village Idiots ask to be kicked. It helps them define their
self-image.
God knows why.

Sheer altruistic magnanimity........it gives the rest of us something
with which to fill the long dull afternoons while waiting for the 3:30
whistle.

Wolfgang
who is grateful.

I'm guessing the process for a kayak is much the same?

Now a tandem kayak question on the topic of "OK, so i bought a boat..."
After several years of renting, I purchased a tandem [Necky Amaruk] a
couple of weeks ago. I figure either my wife or my daughter will
accompany me most of the time. However, I anticipate that I'll be more
fanatical than they. So, on those days when I'm alone, are there
recommendations re weight distribution? Is it much of an issue? Should
I place dead weight on the forward cockpit? Should I plave dead weight
near the bow? Any good deas re dead weight; I'm thinking of bottled
water in a mesh bag.

Thanks in advance.

frtzw906

"John Fereira" wrote in message
.. .

When I first started kayaking one of my primary goals was to use the boat
as
a means to get to point A to point B while where I could weild my flyrod.
I
haven't done much kayak fishing since then but one trick I learned was to
bring along a little plastic paddle from a cheapo pool raft that I could
use
to position the boat for casting. Casting from a kayak with a flyrod can
be
difficult (having a good roll cast helps) but hook into a large fish and
it's a lot of fun. I once hooked into a very large carp that dragged me
around for a half an hour before it finally broke off. I saw the fish
once
and it looked to be well over 10 pounds.

The thought of being dragged around by a large fish has a certain appeal,
but I really didn't buy the kayak with the intention of fishing from it.
What I had in mind was exactly what we did on my first outing in a friend's
boat. He and I were in single seater kayaks, while four others were
distributed in a two seater and a canoe (the canoe was VERY handy for
carrying food and beer!). The whole point of the venture was to drift for a
bit and stop freqently to get out and fish likely looking spots for
smallmouth (well, that and the company and yet another excuse......as if one
were needed.....to indulge in more beer). This was in Penns creek in
central Pennsylvania. A bit further upstream from where we did our float,
Penns is justly famous as a magnificent trout stream. I love fly fishing
for trout.......but smallmouth are also dear to my shrivelled little heart.
The method we employed wasn't especially productive on that day (that's why
they call it "fishing".....not "catching", right?) but it was an awesome day
and I fell immediately and hopelessly in love with scooting around the river
for a bit and then wading in the shallow water while fishing with the boat
tethered to my waist.

As far as the community goes, I've been participating on the Internet for
20
years and have been involved in a lot of them. Rec.boats.paddle is a good
one.

Feels right homey so far. :)

I also participated in the flyfishing groups for a number of years (I
wrote the RFD for the flytying group) and made a lot of virtual friends
from
those groups. A week ago or so I was sitting at home on a Sunday
afternoon
and got a call from a guy that also used to read the FF groups. He'd been
in town on business and just looked me up to call and chat about the local
flyfishing before he got on a plane. It's not exactly fishing season here
but if he would have called earlier in the day we could have grabbed a
couple of my flyrods and ventured down to the lake to wet a fly. This
community is similar in that many regulars might meet up when traveling,
loan a kayak, and go out and spend some time on the water. I know that
there are quite a few people that have contributed to this group that I'd
love to paddle with some day.

If you'd like to rekindle an interest in fly fishing groups on line,
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is far and away the best place to go. Given your
background, I'll assume you don't need to be warned about the possible
pitfalls. As is true with any newsgroup, we've our share of "unusual"
individuals there.......some might go so far as to list me among them......I
wouldn't know about that. At any rate, over the course of the last six
years I have not only made numerous virtual friends there, I have also been
fortunate enough to make several very good literal ones.

Wolfgang

Snippage
were needed.....to indulge in more beer). This was in Penns creek in
central Pennsylvania. A bit further upstream from where we did our float,
Penns is justly famous as a magnificent trout stream. I love fly fishing


Wolfgang


Beautiful part of the country. I just got back from a weekend south of there
(Raystown Lake). I used to live up that way and would move back in a
heartbeat. I have some wonderful friends in the town of Penns Creek. I would
love to live near them again.

Ken

riverman wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but
willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit
around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It takes
a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT


Some Village Idiots ask to be kicked. It helps them define their
self-image.
God knows why.

--riverman

I was catching up on some of the other threads to day. Apart from slow
DSL and server issues, I came across some very interesting threads.

I also did some source checking, and found that it is not "HIPA, nor
HIPAA, but it is HIPPA," as in Health Information Privacy Protection
Act. It is amazing what you can learn on RBP!

I also think that it would be appropriate in light of your post here,
for you to explain that we had a discussion elsewhere, that some here
may not have seen to read. In which you agreed that your comments about
me being the Village Idiot, and kicking the Village Idiot, are totally
inappropriate here and elsewhere. It seems that you could even instruct
your friend Wolfgang in particular, of the same agreement as well,
since he responded to your post here by following your lead!

I am aware that this post was done priot to our understanding, but it
demonstates for all why you should be careful what you post.

I know you, and I am getting to know him, and you both should know
better, and are certainly capable of higher more enlightened
converstional skills.

I look forward to engaging both of you in future discussions,
respectfully TnT

well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know), and seems to be very experienced. do you mind if i email you
with all kinds of newbie bull**** querys, myron?

your friend in the old north state
wayno

"wayno" wrote in message
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well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know), and seems to be very experienced. do you mind if i email you
with all kinds of newbie bull**** querys, myron?

your friend in the old north state
wayno


Howdy Wayno! How'd you get here? Nice to hear from you. :-)

Which Mad River did you get? I've found MR to make the best boats around,
but they usually are far from the least expensive.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"wayno" wrote in message
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well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know), and seems to be very experienced. do you mind if i email you
with all kinds of newbie bull**** querys, myron?

your friend in the old north state
wayno


Howdy Wayno! How'd you get here? Nice to hear from you. :-)

Which Mad River did you get? I've found MR to make the best boats around,
but they usually are far from the least expensive.

--riverman

well, i asked for the most stable platform available. my intentions do
*no* include whitewater. just little day trips down some relatively slow
moving small rivers around piedmont and eastern north carolina.
so the outfit suggested a 14' royalex (olive), called the "adventurer",
iirc, and i added wicker seat backs.
i don't plan on fly fishing from the boat, but some ultralight spinning
might be fun. would i need a pontoon addition, or is that just too lame for
words?

thanks for your suggestions. that process about cartopping was great!

yfitons
wayno

"riverman" wrote in message
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"wayno" wrote in message
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well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know), and seems to be very experienced. do you mind if i email you
with all kinds of newbie bull**** querys, myron?

your friend in the old north state
wayno


Howdy Wayno! How'd you get here? Nice to hear from you. :-)

Which Mad River did you get? I've found MR to make the best boats around,
but they usually are far from the least expensive.

--riverman


Oh, and I forgot to add....of COURSE you can email me with any newbie
questions you have. I owe you a lot for helping me through the newbie ff
blues, and your patience with my newbie questions, and would be happy for
the chance to return the favor. Or you can post here...there are many folks
here who are quite a deep resource for any kind of boating you want to get
into.

--riverman

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:45:19 GMT, "Wayne Harrison" wrote:

would i need a pontoon addition, or is that just too lame for
words?

If you get one I want a picture of you on board. g
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com/ - photo galleries
http://www.chocphoto.com/roff

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
om...

"riverman" wrote in message
...

"wayno" wrote in message
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well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know), and seems to be very experienced. do you mind if i email you
with all kinds of newbie bull**** querys, myron?

your friend in the old north state
wayno


Howdy Wayno! How'd you get here? Nice to hear from you. :-)

Which Mad River did you get? I've found MR to make the best boats around,
but they usually are far from the least expensive.

--riverman

well, i asked for the most stable platform available. my intentions do
*no* include whitewater. just little day trips down some relatively slow
moving small rivers around piedmont and eastern north carolina.
so the outfit suggested a 14' royalex (olive), called the "adventurer",
iirc, and i added wicker seat backs.
i don't plan on fly fishing from the boat, but some ultralight spinning
might be fun. would i need a pontoon addition, or is that just too lame
for words?


Sounds cozy :-) I think you probably don't need sponsons, as your boat is
probably going to be stable enough, especially if you stay out of the moving
water for awhile. I don't know if you are a complete beginner, but I'll
assume that you are pretty close to one, so a word of warning: train
yourself early to never, never put your hands on the gunnels (the side
rails). If you are dedicated to keeping your weight on your feet, knees or
butt, then its pretty much impossible to tip over. OTOH, even in a very slow
moving stream or a lake, if you lean on the gunnel you'll be over in a
heartbeat, sponsons or not. In that vein, be sure to keep your fishing gear
in a case, and tie a line from the case to the thwarts (the rails that go
across the boat). Nothing like losing your fishing gear after a particularly
stupid spill to add injury to insult.

Now for the fun part: spring in coming to the peidmont, and you got a boat!
grin

thanks for your suggestions. that process about cartopping was great!


Take it from a guy with a bad back. :-)

--riverman

By the way, you should expect your boat to be able to tip back and forth a
bit, so don't be unsteady on your feet. This is called 'low primary
stability' (primary stability refers to the boats resistance to tilting
sidways at all. Canoes tend to have low primary stability). But learn fairly
quickly about how far it will tip before it stops tipping....this is
secondary stability (the boats resistance to going all the way over). A good
comparison is a rocking chair: easy to rock, but good ones don't tend to
rock past a certain point. Low primary, high secondary. Once you get the
'feel' of the stabilities of your boat, you'll be much much more comfortable
in it.

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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.....you could even instruct
your friend Wolfgang in particular, of the same agreement as well,
since he responded to your post here by following your lead!..

Refresh my memory......what was it I agreed to?

...I know you, and I am getting to know him,

Time will tell.

and you both should know better,

And we should all watch what we eat, get more exercise, get right with
God, take a homeless person to lunch, call Mom, send a thank-you note
to the IRS.......

and are certainly capable of higher more enlightened
converstional skills.

He is. I'm not.

I look forward to engaging both of you in future discussions,
respectfully TnT

O.k., see ya.

Wolfgang

"wayno" wrote in message
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well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

Canoes can be fun (I've got one that hasn't moved from it's resting
place on a friend's property for about five years) but they're just
not as convenient for a quick jaunt to the nearest damp spot, I think.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

And if that fails, we could always try actually fishing together
sometime.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know)...

Yeah, it appears that they'll let anyone into this place. :)

Wolfgang
who suddenly finds himself thinking of huns, vandals, visigoths,
mongols, vikings.........

"Wolfgang" wrote

Wolfgang
who suddenly finds himself thinking of huns, vandals, visigoths,
mongols, vikings.........

well, i think mr. j buffet probably put it best, for me: "the cannons
don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder; i'm an over 40 victim of fate:
arriving to late, arriving too late."
"a pirate looks at forty"

Wolfgang wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...

.....you could even instruct
your friend Wolfgang in particular, of the same agreement as well,
since he responded to your post here by following your lead!..

Refresh my memory......what was it I agreed to?

...I know you, and I am getting to know him,

Time will tell.

and you both should know better,

And we should all watch what we eat, get more exercise, get right
with
God, take a homeless person to lunch, call Mom, send a thank-you note
to the IRS.......

and are certainly capable of higher more enlightened
converstional skills.

He is. I'm not.

I look forward to engaging both of you in future discussions,
respectfully TnT

O.k., see ya.

Wolfgang

I have no particular agreement with you. You must have misread
something, probably due to your limited understanding of your second
language, and the nuiances of things difficult to understand. I can
certainly have patience with you over that, I don't always read what I
write either, and I certainly don't always understand it! TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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I have no particular agreement with you. You must have misread
something, probably due to your limited understanding of your second
language, and the nuiances of things difficult to understand. I can
certainly have patience with you over that, I don't always read what I
write either, and I certainly don't always understand it! TnT


Condescension! Yeah that oughtta do it.

Mark --a christian ethnocentricity? I'd have never thunk it--

"bearsbuddy" wrote in message
...

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
oups.com...
I have no particular agreement with you. You must have misread
something, probably due to your limited understanding of your
second
language, and the nuiances of things difficult to understand. I
can
certainly have patience with you over that, I don't always read
what I
write either, and I certainly don't always understand it! TnT


Condescension! Yeah that oughtta do it.

Mark --a christian ethnocentricity? I'd have never thunk it--


Well, he's gone pretty easy on me thus far. I suspect you have a
pretty fair idea of how much that means to me.

Wolfgang
who still has some trouble with nuiances in his first language.

"Wayne Harrison" wrote in message
...

..."a pirate looks at forty"

Which is all the more piquant for the obvious alternative context.

Wolfgang
well, obvious to a small but growing number of us, anyway. :)

Wolfgang wrote:
"bearsbuddy" wrote in message
...

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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I have no particular agreement with you. You must have misread
something, probably due to your limited understanding of your
second
language, and the nuiances of things difficult to understand. I
can
certainly have patience with you over that, I don't always read
what I
write either, and I certainly don't always understand it! TnT


Condescension! Yeah that oughtta do it.

Mark --a christian ethnocentricity? I'd have never thunk it--


Well, he's gone pretty easy on me thus far. I suspect you have a
pretty fair idea of how much that means to me.

Wolfgang
who still has some trouble with nuiances in his first language.

Unless I misread my own nuiance, there was no condescension intended,
just the facts as they appear. Problem with facts though, facts have a
bad habit of appearing, dissapearing, and reappearing. Fact is, there
was no agreement, no condescension, and maybe a little self
deprication. If I read what I wrote right. Now that is a tongue twister
for me, and it is my first language. TnT

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Well, he's gone pretty easy on me thus far. I suspect you have a
pretty fair idea of how much that means to me.

Wolfgang
who still has some trouble with nuiances in his first language.

You might consider finding safe refuge, before he re-arms his verbal
gattlin' gun.

Mark -- So I turned around and forty thousand headmen bit the dirt
Firing twenty shotguns each and man, it really hurt
But luckily for me they had to stop and then reload
And by the time they'd done that I was heading down the road --

A little Traffic, anyone?

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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...maybe a little self deprication...

You use the rubber band method for that?

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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...maybe a little self deprication...

You use the rubber band method for that?

Wolfgang

Are you speaking from experience? TnT

bearsbuddy wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

Well, he's gone pretty easy on me thus far. I suspect you have a
pretty fair idea of how much that means to me.

Wolfgang
who still has some trouble with nuiances in his first language.

You might consider finding safe refuge, before he re-arms his verbal
gattlin' gun.

Mark -- So I turned around and forty thousand headmen bit the dirt
Firing twenty shotguns each and man, it really hurt
But luckily for me they had to stop and then reload
And by the time they'd done that I was heading down the road --

A little Traffic, anyone?

Strange, I never noticed that I needed to rearm, maybe cool the barrel!
TnT

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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...maybe a little self deprication...

You use the rubber band method for that?

Wolfgang

Are you speaking from experience? TnT

Actually, I was asking a question.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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...maybe a little self deprication...

You use the rubber band method for that?

Wolfgang

Er, are you practiced at this? Have you been doing it for long? How
come?

Now they may not have taught you this in your immigrant "Intro to
America" class, but there is a difference between using a "c" and a
"v". You may want to revue your class notes, especially the part of the
class where they taught you how to use rubber bands. At least how we
use them in America. You may have missed something in your note taking.
TnT

Strange, I don't recall ever having to stop to reload! Maybe a couple
times to let the barrel cool! TnT