"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message
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riverman wrote:

"Frederick Burroughs" wrote in message
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The canoe is heavy royalex, weighing about 78 lb. I can get it on the
Beetle by myself, but it's a little bit of a strain. Getting it on and
off my wife's truck by myself is a pain. The kayak is half the weight of
the canoe, so cartopping barely outweighs the thought it takes to do it.


As a canoeist who refuses to cross to the dark side, I can suggest
several ways to cartop your heavy canoe. A simple method is to drag it,
rightside up, to the car, perpendicular at the front door. Then lift the
bow and drag/lay it on the top of the cab. Lift the stern, and walk
around the side of the truck until the boat is lying lengthwise on the
cab, drop the stern to raise the bow, and shove it forward.

This works best if your racks are a bit close together, so that the
initial laydown is on a rack rather than on the roof itself. The moment
you lift the stern with the bow laying on the roof is the tricky
moment...you have to keep the bow from falling off as you start the
walkaround. You could even run a brace between the two racks to provide a
bar to lay the canoe onto at first.


Elegant! I'm always humbled when presented with a solution that is simple
and overlooked. Much obliged.



I forgot to mention that you can turn the canoe over so its bottom-up either
when you place the bow on the roof, or after you have it set on the racks. I
usually do it when I place the bow on the roof at first. You can also place
it rightside up, and just walk to the midship and roll it over (I do this
when my back is out). Also, if you want to protect your rooftop from
scratches (especially if you have a metal bowplate), putting your kneepads
or a small carpet down and placing the bowplate on it will help.

--riverman

riverman wrote:
"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Wolfgang wrote in another thread,
"who is still searching for a new community."

Wolfgang, I have been doing some of my notorious research, and you
can
ask riverman what I mean. I found some intriguing reading, and yet
would look forward to your continuing input in this NG. You ask
me
if I
had any idea of what community means, and I can only invite you to
join
this one if you are indeed searching for a new community.

Well, the comment about searching for a new community was simply a
hasty gut reaction to learning about the proliferation of guns in
convents. In fact, I'm not searching actively. On the other hand,
I've always been intrigued by how people live and react with one
another in exotic foreign cultures........I may stick around for a
while.

Well, since TnT has gotten here, I think rbp qualifies as a foreign
culture,
and as such, is probably on a list to be invaded by the US forces
sometime
in the next 3 years. I suspect it already has been.

"I found some intriguing reading, and yet would look forward to your
continuing input in this NG."

...and yet! Wow, if he only knew.

"...and I can only invite you to join this one if you are indeed
searching
for a new community."

You probably don't need me to point it out, Wolfie, but Tinkerntom is

neither our official inviter/greeter, nor the keeper of the gate.
He's more
like our new Village Idiot. We're unmoderated, so everyone is welcome
here,
as long as they wipe their feet at the door. Don't let the recent
puppy
tracks all over the place give you a poor impression.

And welcome aboard. Now I can stop crossposting. :-)

--riverman

Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It takes a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT

"Wolfgang" wrote in :


"riverman" wrote in message
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Even more than that, I bet you have some excellent contributions
vis-a-vis outdoor cooking.

I tend to keep it simple in the great out of doors.......I generally
focus on other aspects of the trip. That said, with the equipment
available today the possibilities are endless. A recipe or two might
show up from time to time.

Now that you've been introduced to the dark side (kayaking), I hope to
someday have a chance to show you the REAL way to enjoy the water:
open boat tripping. You can even cast from your boat, and the stuff
you can bring along....a chefs dream.


I own a canoe, and have done some tripping in the past. I've always
enjoyed it but the maneuverability of the kayak makes it a lot more
fun for me.

And, as far as the fishing is concerned, I see the boat mainly as a
means of getting from place to place. I'm really not at all fond of
fishing from boats. As you know, it can be problematic with a fly
rod.

When I first started kayaking one of my primary goals was to use the boat as
a means to get to point A to point B while where I could weild my flyrod. I
haven't done much kayak fishing since then but one trick I learned was to
bring along a little plastic paddle from a cheapo pool raft that I could use
to position the boat for casting. Casting from a kayak with a flyrod can be
difficult (having a good roll cast helps) but hook into a large fish and
it's a lot of fun. I once hooked into a very large carp that dragged me
around for a half an hour before it finally broke off. I saw the fish once
and it looked to be well over 10 pounds.

As far as the community goes, I've been participating on the Internet for 20
years and have been involved in a lot of them. Rec.boats.paddle is a good
one. I also participated in the flyfishing groups for a number of years (I
wrote the RFD for the flytying group) and made a lot of virtual friends from
those groups. A week ago or so I was sitting at home on a Sunday afternoon
and got a call from a guy that also used to read the FF groups. He'd been
in town on business and just looked me up to call and chat about the local
flyfishing before he got on a plane. It's not exactly fishing season here
but if he would have called earlier in the day we could have grabbed a
couple of my flyrods and ventured down to the lake to wet a fly. This
community is similar in that many regulars might meet up when traveling,
loan a kayak, and go out and spend some time on the water. I know that
there are quite a few people that have contributed to this group that I'd
love to paddle with some day.

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It takes a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT


Some Village Idiots ask to be kicked. It helps them define their self-image.
God knows why.

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but
willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit
around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It
takes a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT


Some Village Idiots ask to be kicked. It helps them define their
self-image.
God knows why.

Sheer altruistic magnanimity........it gives the rest of us something
with which to fill the long dull afternoons while waiting for the 3:30
whistle.

Wolfgang
who is grateful.

I'm guessing the process for a kayak is much the same?

Now a tandem kayak question on the topic of "OK, so i bought a boat..."
After several years of renting, I purchased a tandem [Necky Amaruk] a
couple of weeks ago. I figure either my wife or my daughter will
accompany me most of the time. However, I anticipate that I'll be more
fanatical than they. So, on those days when I'm alone, are there
recommendations re weight distribution? Is it much of an issue? Should
I place dead weight on the forward cockpit? Should I plave dead weight
near the bow? Any good deas re dead weight; I'm thinking of bottled
water in a mesh bag.

Thanks in advance.

frtzw906

"John Fereira" wrote in message
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When I first started kayaking one of my primary goals was to use the boat
as
a means to get to point A to point B while where I could weild my flyrod.
I
haven't done much kayak fishing since then but one trick I learned was to
bring along a little plastic paddle from a cheapo pool raft that I could
use
to position the boat for casting. Casting from a kayak with a flyrod can
be
difficult (having a good roll cast helps) but hook into a large fish and
it's a lot of fun. I once hooked into a very large carp that dragged me
around for a half an hour before it finally broke off. I saw the fish
once
and it looked to be well over 10 pounds.

The thought of being dragged around by a large fish has a certain appeal,
but I really didn't buy the kayak with the intention of fishing from it.
What I had in mind was exactly what we did on my first outing in a friend's
boat. He and I were in single seater kayaks, while four others were
distributed in a two seater and a canoe (the canoe was VERY handy for
carrying food and beer!). The whole point of the venture was to drift for a
bit and stop freqently to get out and fish likely looking spots for
smallmouth (well, that and the company and yet another excuse......as if one
were needed.....to indulge in more beer). This was in Penns creek in
central Pennsylvania. A bit further upstream from where we did our float,
Penns is justly famous as a magnificent trout stream. I love fly fishing
for trout.......but smallmouth are also dear to my shrivelled little heart.
The method we employed wasn't especially productive on that day (that's why
they call it "fishing".....not "catching", right?) but it was an awesome day
and I fell immediately and hopelessly in love with scooting around the river
for a bit and then wading in the shallow water while fishing with the boat
tethered to my waist.

As far as the community goes, I've been participating on the Internet for
20
years and have been involved in a lot of them. Rec.boats.paddle is a good
one.

Feels right homey so far.

I also participated in the flyfishing groups for a number of years (I
wrote the RFD for the flytying group) and made a lot of virtual friends
from
those groups. A week ago or so I was sitting at home on a Sunday
afternoon
and got a call from a guy that also used to read the FF groups. He'd been
in town on business and just looked me up to call and chat about the local
flyfishing before he got on a plane. It's not exactly fishing season here
but if he would have called earlier in the day we could have grabbed a
couple of my flyrods and ventured down to the lake to wet a fly. This
community is similar in that many regulars might meet up when traveling,
loan a kayak, and go out and spend some time on the water. I know that
there are quite a few people that have contributed to this group that I'd
love to paddle with some day.

If you'd like to rekindle an interest in fly fishing groups on line,
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly is far and away the best place to go. Given your
background, I'll assume you don't need to be warned about the possible
pitfalls. As is true with any newsgroup, we've our share of "unusual"
individuals there.......some might go so far as to list me among them......I
wouldn't know about that. At any rate, over the course of the last six
years I have not only made numerous virtual friends there, I have also been
fortunate enough to make several very good literal ones.

Wolfgang

Snippage
were needed.....to indulge in more beer). This was in Penns creek in
central Pennsylvania. A bit further upstream from where we did our float,
Penns is justly famous as a magnificent trout stream. I love fly fishing


Wolfgang


Beautiful part of the country. I just got back from a weekend south of there
(Raystown Lake). I used to live up that way and would move back in a
heartbeat. I have some wonderful friends in the town of Penns Creek. I would
love to live near them again.

Ken

riverman wrote:
"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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Oh, I suspect, but yet intrigued. True not the gate keeper, but
willing
to welcome the stranger with no guile. If there is a mean spirit
around
it is the one who would insult and kick the village idiot. It takes
a
big man to do that! And yet he would still say "GLY" TnT


Some Village Idiots ask to be kicked. It helps them define their
self-image.
God knows why.

--riverman

I was catching up on some of the other threads to day. Apart from slow
DSL and server issues, I came across some very interesting threads.

I also did some source checking, and found that it is not "HIPA, nor
HIPAA, but it is HIPPA," as in Health Information Privacy Protection
Act. It is amazing what you can learn on RBP!

I also think that it would be appropriate in light of your post here,
for you to explain that we had a discussion elsewhere, that some here
may not have seen to read. In which you agreed that your comments about
me being the Village Idiot, and kicking the Village Idiot, are totally
inappropriate here and elsewhere. It seems that you could even instruct
your friend Wolfgang in particular, of the same agreement as well,
since he responded to your post here by following your lead!

I am aware that this post was done priot to our understanding, but it
demonstates for all why you should be careful what you post.

I know you, and I am getting to know him, and you both should know
better, and are certainly capable of higher more enlightened
converstional skills.

I look forward to engaging both of you in future discussions,
respectfully TnT

well, i will be damned. so did i. a canoe, though, from mad river.
seemed the most stable/lightweight/inexpensive option.

now we have another reason to meet, act like fools, and drink to
excess.

oh, btw, i see that riverman is also "on board" (hilarious, doncha
know), and seems to be very experienced. do you mind if i email you
with all kinds of newbie bull**** querys, myron?

your friend in the old north state
wayno