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JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? What does it matter at this point? All we know is that he is an admitted terrorist. The rest will come out in court. So don't sweat. He will get his day in court. Maybe he will be freed on a legal technicality and go on to murder US citizens or even the POTUS. Maybe then you will be happy. A certain participant of this NG was recently when reporting the death of over 100 Iraqi's from a suicide bomber. So now you also approve of torture as a means of obtaining "confessions"? |
"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? What does it matter at this point? All we know is that he is an admitted terrorist. The rest will come out in court. So don't sweat. He will get his day in court. Maybe he will be freed on a legal technicality and go on to murder US citizens or even the POTUS. Maybe then you will be happy. A certain participant of this NG was recently when reporting the death of over 100 Iraqi's from a suicide bomber. So now you also approve of torture as a means of obtaining "confessions"? Perhaps. It depends on the situation and how you define torture. |
"Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? Why should it matter? |
"Jim," wrote in message ... JimH wrote: "Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? What does it matter at this point? All we know is that he is an admitted terrorist. The rest will come out in court. So don't sweat. He will get his day in court. Maybe he will be freed on a legal technicality and go on to murder US citizens or even the POTUS. Maybe then you will be happy. A certain participant of this NG was recently when reporting the death of over 100 Iraqi's from a suicide bomber. So now you also approve of torture as a means of obtaining "confessions"? I do. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? Why should it matter? It does matter. A lot! With extreme torture you can get anybody to sign anything. |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? Why should it matter? It does matter. A lot! With extreme torture you can get anybody to sign anything. He claims that he was whipped by the Saudis. We're not talking permanent disfigurement, broken bones, cutting off fingers, attaching electrodes to his nuts, etc... The man was smacked across the back a few dozen times (alledgedly), and then copped to the charges of trying to assassinate Bush, trying to create sleeper cells in the states, and trying to create mass murder via terrorism. He's guilty as ****. If he walks, then he's a perfect example of a criminal beating our system "on a technicality". |
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:16:42 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:
He's guilty as ****. If he walks, then he's a perfect example of a criminal beating our system "on a technicality". My kind of justice! John H "All decisions are the result of binary thinking." |
"NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? Why should it matter? It does matter. A lot! With extreme torture you can get anybody to sign anything. He claims that he was whipped by the Saudis. We're not talking permanent disfigurement, broken bones, cutting off fingers, attaching electrodes to his nuts, etc... The man was smacked across the back a few dozen times (alledgedly), and then copped to the charges of trying to assassinate Bush, trying to create sleeper cells in the states, and trying to create mass murder via terrorism. He's guilty as ****. If he walks, then he's a perfect example of a criminal beating our system "on a technicality". I guess it is OK, the next time you get caught speeding, for the cop to beat the crap out of you as long as no broken bones or disfigurement occurs. |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message nk.net... "NOYB" wrote in message link.net... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Jim," wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Look, I don't know the particulars of the fellow in question Then here are some more particulars: Suspect Said to Admit Plan to Kill Bush 1 hour, 28 minutes ago By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer ALEXANDRIA, Va. - A Virginia man accused of plotting with al-Qaida to assassinate President Bush has admitted his guilt on numerous occasions, an FBI agent testified Tuesday. Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, 23, admitted "multiple times" that he joined al-Qaida while studying overseas in Saudi Arabia and discussed plans with the terrorist network to assassinate President Bush, FBI agent Barry Cole said. The agent also said the suspect talked about plans for a Sept. 11-type attack in which "hijackers would board planes in Great Britain and Australia ... so they did not have to have U.S. visas." "Once into U.S. territories they would fly into designated targets," he said. Abu Ali also discussed killing U.S. congressmen, soldiers and blowing up naval ships in American ports, Cole said. He said Abu Ali's confessions are corroborated by the admissions of an al-Qaida cell leader in Saudi Arabia who surrendered to authorities. Abu Ali, a U.S. citizen who grew up in Falls Church, is charged with conspiring with al-Qaida to kill the president in a plan that prosecutors said was hatched while he studied in Saudi Arabia in 2002 and 2003. Cole said that the al-Qaida leaders gave Abu Ali two options: He could either become part of a martyr operation or he could establish a cell in the United States and he would "marry a Christian woman, assimilate into the community and he would be provided operatives." Did he confess freely, or under torture? Why should it matter? It does matter. A lot! With extreme torture you can get anybody to sign anything. He claims that he was whipped by the Saudis. We're not talking permanent disfigurement, broken bones, cutting off fingers, attaching electrodes to his nuts, etc... The man was smacked across the back a few dozen times (alledgedly), and then copped to the charges of trying to assassinate Bush, trying to create sleeper cells in the states, and trying to create mass murder via terrorism. He's guilty as ****. If he walks, then he's a perfect example of a criminal beating our system "on a technicality". I guess it is OK, the next time you get caught speeding, for the cop to beat the crap out of you as long as no broken bones or disfigurement occurs. I'd confess to speeding before he removed his nightstick from his belt. But I wouldn't falsely admit to being a terrorist planning to kill the President, and create sleeper terror cells in the States. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I guess it is OK, the next time you get caught speeding, for the cop to beat the crap out of you as long as no broken bones or disfigurement occurs. I'd confess to speeding before he removed his nightstick from his belt. But I wouldn't falsely admit to being a terrorist planning to kill the President, and create sleeper terror cells in the States. What? I thought you always carried a Glock on the front passenger seat... Or was that a different dentist? )} I had a handgun in my earlier years, but no longer own it. It was a .25 with the serial numbers scratched off the side that I got from my grandfather (who is now deceased). He went to the local pub a lot, and got to know the bartenders pretty well. Most of the guys tending bar back then were off-duty policeman. It was not uncommon for some of them to carry "throw-down" in case they shot an unarmed bad guy. I never asked where the gun came from, but later in life it dawned on me that it's probably not a good idea to carry around an unlicensed firearm that had the serial number scratched off. My brother took it after college...but I'm not sure even he owns it any longer. |
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