"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring?
Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks
seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate
all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the world
to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Well, John, many crazy people were sane before they were crazy. There's no
way of knowing if or when some of these loonies might get to your president,
and maybe *he* steps over the line, too.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:35:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring?
Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks
seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate
all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the world
to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Well, John, many crazy people were sane before they were crazy. There's no
way of knowing if or when some of these loonies might get to your president,
and maybe *he* steps over the line, too.


Yup, we have to hope our presidents give the extremists on both sides the
deserved attention and then take the appropriate action.

Luckily, Bush has done a super job in this area.

Have a *spectacular* day!


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:35:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
m...


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your
legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of
religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring?
Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks
seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate
all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and
you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the
world
to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Well, John, many crazy people were sane before they were crazy. There's no
way of knowing if or when some of these loonies might get to your
president,
and maybe *he* steps over the line, too.


Yup, we have to hope our presidents give the extremists on both sides the
deserved attention and then take the appropriate action.

Luckily, Bush has done a super job in this area.

Have a *spectacular* day!

Yes. That has resulted in his Middle East policy, summarized as "Stop Hating
Us, Or Suffer the Consequences". :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even
mentioning
my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten
us.


you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause.
My
sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.




This is your scientific approach? You should get yourself a job as a
WMD
hunter for the Bush Administration.

Eddie "Moose" Krause wasn't Jewish. Of course, his real last name wss
Krauciunas. I don't believe the name "Krause" is anything more than a
German-origin last name.

My paternal grandfather's "real" last name wasn't Krause, either. He
and
his brother got that name from an immigration agent when they landed
on
Ellis Island. Though they were Russians, they were on board a ship
that
began its journey in Germany. When my grandfather and great uncle
arrived
here, the agent said their name was too long and too difficult to
pronounce, so he gave them the name of the guy in front of them.

That's what my grandfather told me. And I did see some paperwork from
"the
old country" with his "real" name on it.

During the late 1930s, my father and his brother spent a bit of time
investigating whether they wanted to change the family name back to
what
it was. But by then both of them were working for my great uncle at
his
stores, and though that operation had an entirely different trade
name,
it
was known as "the Krause family business," so they kept the name.

That's what my dad and uncle told me many years later. They were born
in
the Philadelphia area.

My mother's father was born in some awful little town on the
German-Polish
border, and the "ownership" of that town changed hands between those
two
countries many times. His family name was solidly German, but because
of
geography, he spoke German and Polish fluently, and a half-dozen
other
European languages, too.

My mother was born in Boston.

I don't consider myself a hyphenated American. If pressed, I'd say
I'm
a
Tankee, because I was born in New England and was reared and educated
there, for the most part. My wife is a southern belle, and has that
soft
southern accent to prove it.


Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided
here,
it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my
tires.



Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.

You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.

You might want to read my message again, and then restate the paragraph
above. You missed something.



It is logic. Bad logic.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:52:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Yes. That has resulted in his Middle East policy, summarized as "Stop Hating
Us, Or Suffer the Consequences". :-)


For sure! Even the NY Times is commenting about his results in the middle east:

*****************************************
The New York Times
March 1, 2005
EDITORIAL
Mideast Climate Change

It's not even spring yet, but a long-frozen political order seems to be cracking
all over the Middle East. Cautious hopes for something new and better are
stirring along the Tigris and the Nile, the elegant boulevards of Beirut, and
the impoverished towns of the Gaza Strip. It is far too soon for any certainties
about ultimate outcomes. In Iraq, a brutal insurgency still competes for
headlines with post-election democratic maneuvering. Yesterday a suicide bomber
plowed into a crowd of Iraqi police and Army recruits, killing at least 122
people - the largest death toll in a single such bombing since the American
invasion nearly two years ago. And the Palestinian terrorists who blew up a Tel
Aviv nightclub last Friday underscored the continuing fragility of what has now
been almost two months of steady political and diplomatic progress between
Israelis and Palestinians.

Still, this has so far been a year of heartening surprises - each one remarkable
in itself, and taken together truly astonishing. The Bush administration is
entitled to claim a healthy share of the credit for many of these advances. It
boldly proclaimed the cause of Middle East democracy at a time when few in the
West thought it had any realistic chance. And for all the negative consequences
that flowed from the American invasion of Iraq, there could have been no
democratic elections there this January if Saddam Hussein had still been in
power. Washington's challenge now lies in finding ways to nurture and encourage
these still fragile trends without smothering them in a triumphalist embrace.

Lebanon's political reawakening took a significant new turn yesterday when
popular protests brought down the pro-Syrian government of Prime Minister Omar
Karami. Syria's occupation of Lebanon, nearly three decades long, started
tottering after the Feb. 14 assassination of the country's leading independent
politician, the former prime minister Rafik Hariri.

If Damascus had a hand in this murder, as many Lebanese suspect, it had a
boomerang effect on Lebanon's politics. Instead of intimidating critics of
Syria's dominant role, it inflamed them. To stem the growing backlash over the
Hariri murder, last week Syria announced its intentions to pull back its
occupation forces to a region near the border - although without offering any
firm timetable. Yesterday, with protests continuing, the pro-Syrian cabinet
resigned. Washington, in an unusual alliance with France, continues to press for
full compliance with the Security Council's demand for an early and complete
Syrian withdrawal. That needs to happen promptly. Once Syria is gone, Hezbollah,
which has engaged in international terrorism under Syrian protection, must
either confine itself to peaceful political activity or be shut down.

Last weekend's surprise announcement of plans to hold at least nominally
competitive presidential elections in Egypt could prove even more historic,
although many of the specific details seem likely to be disappointing. Egypt is
the Arab world's most populous country and one of its most politically
influential. In more than five millenniums of recorded history, it has never
seen a truly free and competitive election.

To be realistic, Egypt isn't likely to see one this year either. For all his
talk of opening up the process, President Hosni Mubarak, 76, is likely to make
sure that no threatening candidates emerge to deny him a fifth six-year term.
But after seeing more than eight million Iraqis choose their leaders in January,
Egypt's voters, and its increasingly courageous opposition movement, will no
longer retreat into sullen hopelessness so readily. The Bush administration has
helped foster that feeling of hope for a democratic future by keeping the
pressure on Mr. Mubarak. But the real heroes are on-the-ground patriots like
Ayman Nour, who founded a new party aptly named Tomorrow last October and is now
in jail. If Mr. Mubarak truly wants more open politics, he should free Mr. Nour
promptly.

It is similarly encouraging that the terrorists who attacked a Tel Aviv
nightclub on Friday, killing five Israelis, have not yet managed to completely
scuttle the new peace dynamic between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
Israel contends that those terrorists were sponsored by Syria, but its soldiers
reported discovering an explosives-filled car in the West Bank yesterday. The
good news is that the leaders on both sides did not instantly retreat to
familiar corners in angry rejectionism. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the new
Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, have proved they can work together to thwart
terrorism and deny terrorists an instant veto over progress toward a negotiated
peace.

Over the past two decades, as democracies replaced police states across Central
and Eastern Europe and Latin America, and a new economic dynamism lifted
hundreds of millions of eastern and southern Asia out of poverty and into the
middle class, the Middle East stagnated in a perverse time warp that reduced its
brightest people to hopelessness or barely contained rage. The wonder is less
that a new political restlessness is finally visible, but that it took so long
to break through the ice.

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John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...



Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided
here,
it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my
tires.



Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if
it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.

You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with
Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.

You might want to read my message again, and then restate the paragraph
above. You missed something.



It is logic. Bad logic.



WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
ROFL! :-)

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:52:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


Yes. That has resulted in his Middle East policy, summarized as "Stop
Hating
Us, Or Suffer the Consequences". :-)


For sure! Even the NY Times is commenting about his results in the middle
east:

Yes. I saw that.

John H wrote:
snip

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Not if you consider processing delays. Some delays get discounted,
becoming fuzzy logic of the first instance. It can be utilized to
benefit. Glitchy.

Tell me a second instance, and I may show you a third.

Terry K

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:38:41 -0400, Terry Spragg
wrote:

John H wrote:
snip

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Not if you consider processing delays. Some delays get discounted,
becoming fuzzy logic of the first instance. It can be utilized to
benefit. Glitchy.

Tell me a second instance, and I may show you a third.

Terry K

Huh?


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
snip

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Not if you consider processing delays. Some delays get discounted,
becoming fuzzy logic of the first instance. It can be utilized to benefit.
Glitchy.

Tell me a second instance, and I may show you a third.

Terry K


John's "binary thinking" quote wasn't connected with computer science,
mathematics or logic. Rather, it was a comment on the behavior of his
favorite political thinkers.