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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election, and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense, and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear, they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.



Now it is probably millions? Get your facts somewhat straight before
posting, and people may pay attention to you.



Is this really the best you can do? Fixate on a number which nobody can
accurately determine?



Is this really the best you can do? Throw out a huge number and then say
well, the real number does not count?

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:09:45 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:52:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election, and it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense, and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President Bush is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear, they'd be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television time to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.


Is it your contention, Doug, that Bush is now going to start lobbing nukes
around the world to experience the 'rapture' called for by these 'loonies'
who
'have his ear'?

How was the 65 million number picked, Doug? If you started off talking
about 11
loonies, would you get the reaction you desired?



I have no idea how the number was picked. I simply tagged onto someone
else's message. You have nothing better to do. Read backwards through the
discussion.

As far as Bush, he doesn't need to lob nukes to be dangerous. Let's turn the
question around: You don't want religious fanatics determining political
policy in the Arab countries, right? What about here? Do you want them
wielding the same influence here?


Let's *don't* turn the question around! You, et al, are making all the wild
allegations. Back them up!

You are telling us you just glommed onto a number with no idea where it came
from? Did you ever consider that perhaps the whole allegation was the result of
overimagination?


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 19:09:45 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:52:19 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election, and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense, and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear, they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.


Is it your contention, Doug, that Bush is now going to start lobbing
nukes
around the world to experience the 'rapture' called for by these
'loonies'
who
'have his ear'?

How was the 65 million number picked, Doug? If you started off talking
about 11
loonies, would you get the reaction you desired?



I have no idea how the number was picked. I simply tagged onto someone
else's message. You have nothing better to do. Read backwards through the
discussion.

As far as Bush, he doesn't need to lob nukes to be dangerous. Let's turn
the
question around: You don't want religious fanatics determining political
policy in the Arab countries, right? What about here? Do you want them
wielding the same influence here?


Let's *don't* turn the question around! You, et al, are making all the
wild
allegations. Back them up!

You are telling us you just glommed onto a number with no idea where it
came
from? Did you ever consider that perhaps the whole allegation was the
result of
overimagination?

No. First of all, the number doesn't matter. Could be 5 million, 12 million,
or 65 million. Irrelevant. If *any* number of zealots determine public
policy, it's bad for this country, both internally and overseas.

If you're not comfortable with the number being debated ad nauseum here,
pick one so we can get past the issue.

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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election,
and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense,
and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies
waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear, they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.



Now it is probably millions? Get your facts somewhat straight before
posting, and people may pay attention to you.



Is this really the best you can do? Fixate on a number which nobody can
accurately determine?



Is this really the best you can do? Throw out a huge number and then say
well, the real number does not count?



Read slowly: I did not pick the number, nor did I claim it was accurate. I
can only come to the same conclusion which you will agree with (internally),
but deny (publicly) because it's convenient.

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:32:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message

I have no idea how the number was picked. I simply tagged onto someone
else's message. You have nothing better to do. Read backwards through the
discussion.

As far as Bush, he doesn't need to lob nukes to be dangerous. Let's turn
the
question around: You don't want religious fanatics determining political
policy in the Arab countries, right? What about here? Do you want them
wielding the same influence here?


Let's *don't* turn the question around! You, et al, are making all the
wild
allegations. Back them up!

You are telling us you just glommed onto a number with no idea where it
came
from? Did you ever consider that perhaps the whole allegation was the
result of
overimagination?

No. First of all, the number doesn't matter. Could be 5 million, 12 million,
or 65 million. Irrelevant. If *any* number of zealots determine public
policy, it's bad for this country, both internally and overseas.

If you're not comfortable with the number being debated ad nauseum here,
pick one so we can get past the issue.


You missed the two questions:

Do you now believe Bush is going to 'take actions' to speed up the arrival of
this 'rapture'?

Did you ever consider that perhaps the whole allegation was the result of
over-imagination?

Or, do you just glom onto anything that might reflect badly on the
administration.

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:33:09 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election,
and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense,
and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies
waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear, they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.



Now it is probably millions? Get your facts somewhat straight before
posting, and people may pay attention to you.



Is this really the best you can do? Fixate on a number which nobody can
accurately determine?



Is this really the best you can do? Throw out a huge number and then say
well, the real number does not count?



Read slowly: I did not pick the number, nor did I claim it was accurate. I
can only come to the same conclusion which you will agree with (internally),
but deny (publicly) because it's convenient.


Again, is the rest of your story as accurate as your number?

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Here's a forum from Landover Baptist Church. It's an atheistic humor
site, they are not republicans. They are heavy on sarcasm, the posts
by Jeb Thurmond are the relevant ones and they illustrate that sarcasm
isn't necessarily humorous. Whether the numbers are right, I don't
know. Numbers, smumbers, how many wmd's were there supposed to be? Was
it 350 or 380 tons of high explosives that went missing? How many
causilties, or dead, or traumitized? I don't know. The numbers don't
matter so much in this Landover forum as the thoughts these people are
expressing. Are these your kind of people? Do you on the right agree
with this way of thinking? Sam

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forum...showtopic=2453

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message

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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election,
and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense,
and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President
Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this
thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies
waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear,
they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television
time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.



Now it is probably millions? Get your facts somewhat straight before
posting, and people may pay attention to you.



Is this really the best you can do? Fixate on a number which nobody can
accurately determine?



Is this really the best you can do? Throw out a huge number and then
say
well, the real number does not count?



Read slowly: I did not pick the number, nor did I claim it was accurate. I
can only come to the same conclusion which you will agree with
(internally),
but deny (publicly) because it's convenient.



No, you stated the number as fact. You can not back up your facts, so your
argument is a fallacy.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in
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ink.net...
Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election,
and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense,
and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President
Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this
thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies
waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear,
they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television
time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.



Now it is probably millions? Get your facts somewhat straight
before
posting, and people may pay attention to you.



Is this really the best you can do? Fixate on a number which nobody
can
accurately determine?



Is this really the best you can do? Throw out a huge number and then
say
well, the real number does not count?



Read slowly: I did not pick the number, nor did I claim it was accurate.
I
can only come to the same conclusion which you will agree with
(internally),
but deny (publicly) because it's convenient.



No, you stated the number as fact. You can not back up your facts, so
your
argument is a fallacy.



No. The OP posted a story which claimed the number to be fact. The author
certainly estimated, and probably on the high side. But, that doesn't
matter. Let's try this again, and for the last time.

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:51:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?

===============================

Especially here.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:51:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?

===============================

Especially here.


Cripes....at least SOMEBODY is awake here. Have a beer, Wayne.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:18:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:
Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?

===============================

Especially here.


Cripes....at least SOMEBODY is awake here. Have a beer, Wayne.

======================================

Thanks. I'd be willing to ceded the entire middle east to religious
zealots of all stripes if they'd promise to stay there and leave the
oil supply alone (for the boat of course). :-)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:18:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in
the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?

===============================

Especially here.


Cripes....at least SOMEBODY is awake here. Have a beer, Wayne.


======================================

Thanks. I'd be willing to ceded the entire middle east to religious
zealots of all stripes if they'd promise to stay there and leave the
oil supply alone (for the boat of course). :-)



Hmm. Could we get ours to go there, Wayne?

Your Jewish relatives may all have to leave, Harry. They seem to be very
big in influencing US policy in regards to Israel.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:18:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in

the

Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?

===============================

Especially here.


Cripes....at least SOMEBODY is awake here. Have a beer, Wayne.


======================================

Thanks. I'd be willing to ceded the entire middle east to religious
zealots of all stripes if they'd promise to stay there and leave the
oil supply alone (for the boat of course). :-)



Hmm. Could we get ours to go there, Wayne?


Your Jewish relatives may all have to leave, Harry. They seem to be
very
big in influencing US policy in regards to Israel.



My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even mentioning
my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten us.

you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause. My sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.

On 1 Mar 2005 16:19:11 -0800, wrote:

Here's a forum from Landover Baptist Church. It's an atheistic humor
site, they are not republicans. They are heavy on sarcasm, the posts
by Jeb Thurmond are the relevant ones and they illustrate that sarcasm
isn't necessarily humorous. Whether the numbers are right, I don't
know. Numbers, smumbers, how many wmd's were there supposed to be? Was
it 350 or 380 tons of high explosives that went missing? How many
causilties, or dead, or traumitized? I don't know. The numbers don't
matter so much in this Landover forum as the thoughts these people are
expressing. Are these your kind of people? Do you on the right agree
with this way of thinking? Sam

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forum...showtopic=2453

Proof that kooks exist and call themselves Christians.

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 03:51:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


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Harrythenut does not want to admit he lost the election,
and
it
is
everyone
else in the country that is wrong.

Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe this rapture nonsense,
and
are
willing
to manipulate politics here and overseas to fit their
hallucinations?



Does your comment somehow negate the fact that there are
millions
of
loonies walking around who actually believe the President
Bush
is
not
the
President, as they did not vote for him? That there are
millions
of
loonies
walking around who actually believe the Sen. Kerry would be
competant?



That has nothing to do with the original subject of this
thread.



Makes as much sense as you stating there are 65 mm loonies
waiting
the
rapture.



Simple, for you:

The
Number
Doesn't
Matter



Oh, now it does not matter?



1) Nobody can accurately determine the number.
2) If there were just eleven, but they had the president's ear,
they'd
be
dangerous.
3) You know there are millions. The proof? Nobody buys television
time
to
address a tiny audience. Turn on your TV on Sunday morning.



Now it is probably millions? Get your facts somewhat straight
before
posting, and people may pay attention to you.



Is this really the best you can do? Fixate on a number which nobody
can
accurately determine?



Is this really the best you can do? Throw out a huge number and then
say
well, the real number does not count?



Read slowly: I did not pick the number, nor did I claim it was accurate.
I
can only come to the same conclusion which you will agree with
(internally),
but deny (publicly) because it's convenient.



No, you stated the number as fact. You can not back up your facts, so
your
argument is a fallacy.



No. The OP posted a story which claimed the number to be fact. The author
certainly estimated, and probably on the high side. But, that doesn't
matter. Let's try this again, and for the last time.

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?


Yes.

You are now asking a simple question. Earlier you were trying to imply that some
ridiculous story you heard was true. There is a big difference.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...


No. The OP posted a story which claimed the number to be fact. The author
certainly estimated, and probably on the high side. But, that doesn't
matter. Let's try this again, and for the last time.

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?


Yes.

Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators. Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.


You are now asking a simple question. Earlier you were trying to imply
that some
ridiculous story you heard was true. There is a big difference.

The number mentioned in the story cannot be proved. The existence of large
numbers of such maniacs is clear, however.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even mentioning
my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten us.


you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause. My
sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.




This is your scientific approach? You should get yourself a job as a WMD
hunter for the Bush Administration.

Eddie "Moose" Krause wasn't Jewish. Of course, his real last name wss
Krauciunas. I don't believe the name "Krause" is anything more than a
German-origin last name.

My paternal grandfather's "real" last name wasn't Krause, either. He and
his brother got that name from an immigration agent when they landed on
Ellis Island. Though they were Russians, they were on board a ship that
began its journey in Germany. When my grandfather and great uncle arrived
here, the agent said their name was too long and too difficult to
pronounce, so he gave them the name of the guy in front of them.

That's what my grandfather told me. And I did see some paperwork from "the
old country" with his "real" name on it.

During the late 1930s, my father and his brother spent a bit of time
investigating whether they wanted to change the family name back to what
it was. But by then both of them were working for my great uncle at his
stores, and though that operation had an entirely different trade name, it
was known as "the Krause family business," so they kept the name.

That's what my dad and uncle told me many years later. They were born in
the Philadelphia area.

My mother's father was born in some awful little town on the German-Polish
border, and the "ownership" of that town changed hands between those two
countries many times. His family name was solidly German, but because of
geography, he spoke German and Polish fluently, and a half-dozen other
European languages, too.

My mother was born in Boston.

I don't consider myself a hyphenated American. If pressed, I'd say I'm a
Tankee, because I was born in New England and was reared and educated
there, for the most part. My wife is a southern belle, and has that soft
southern accent to prove it.

Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided here, it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my tires.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:16:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


No. The OP posted a story which claimed the number to be fact. The author
certainly estimated, and probably on the high side. But, that doesn't
matter. Let's try this again, and for the last time.

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?


Yes.

Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators. Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Are these your kind of people? Do you on the right agree
with this way of thinking? Sam

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forum...showtopic=2453

Proof that kooks exist and call themselves Christians.

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Here's a short list of the people quoted:
Goerge W. Bush
Pat Robertson
Rev Jerry Falwell
Dr. Laura Schlessinger
Supreme Court Judge William Reinquist
Ralph Reed
Ann Coulter
Cal Thomas
Sen. Kay O'Conner
John Ashcroft
Sen. James Inhofe
Gen. William Boykin
Rush Limbaugh
Gov. Jeb Bush
I'm thinking you didn't read the forum if you are saying these people
are kooks. Sam

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are
putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."
Mark Twain

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:16:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
. ..


No. The OP posted a story which claimed the number to be fact. The
author
certainly estimated, and probably on the high side. But, that doesn't
matter. Let's try this again, and for the last time.

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?


Yes.

Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 22:24:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:16:56 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...


No. The OP posted a story which claimed the number to be fact. The
author
certainly estimated, and probably on the high side. But, that doesn't
matter. Let's try this again, and for the last time.

Since you believe religious zealots should not influence politics in the
Middle East, do you also believe they should NOT do the same here?


Yes.

Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring? Is Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks seem so
enthralled with?


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

On 2 Mar 2005 14:19:12 -0800, wrote:

Are these your kind of people? Do you on the right agree
with this way of thinking? Sam

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forum...showtopic=2453

Proof that kooks exist and call themselves Christians.

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Here's a short list of the people quoted:
Goerge W. Bush
Pat Robertson
Rev Jerry Falwell
Dr. Laura Schlessinger
Supreme Court Judge William Reinquist
Ralph Reed
Ann Coulter
Cal Thomas
Sen. Kay O'Conner
John Ashcroft
Sen. James Inhofe
Gen. William Boykin
Rush Limbaugh
Gov. Jeb Bush
I'm thinking you didn't read the forum if you are saying these people
are kooks. Sam

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are
putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."
Mark Twain

Adds little credence to the issue.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

John H wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 14:19:12 -0800, wrote:

Are these your kind of people? Do you on the right agree
with this way of thinking? Sam

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forum...showtopic=2453

Proof that kooks exist and call themselves Christians.

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Here's a short list of the people quoted:
Goerge W. Bush
Pat Robertson
Rev Jerry Falwell
Dr. Laura Schlessinger
Supreme Court Judge William Reinquist
Ralph Reed
Ann Coulter
Cal Thomas
Sen. Kay O'Conner
John Ashcroft
Sen. James Inhofe
Gen. William Boykin
Rush Limbaugh
Gov. Jeb Bush
I'm thinking you didn't read the forum if you are saying these
people
are kooks. Sam

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who
are
putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."
Mark Twain

Adds little credence to the issue.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Yes, you're right. It doesn't add 'credence' to the issue of the
correct numbers and it doesn't have a whole lot to say about the
original issue concerning world affairs being swayed by belief in the
Rapture. I agree with you that it's proof that a lot of those people
are 'kooks', and will just assume that since they are religous
republicans, you agree with them and their way of thinking is allright.
Thanks, Sam

On 2 Mar 2005 15:27:15 -0800, wrote:


John H wrote:
On 2 Mar 2005 14:19:12 -0800, wrote:

Are these your kind of people? Do you on the right agree
with this way of thinking? Sam

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/forum...showtopic=2453

Proof that kooks exist and call themselves Christians.

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Here's a short list of the people quoted:
Goerge W. Bush
Pat Robertson
Rev Jerry Falwell
Dr. Laura Schlessinger
Supreme Court Judge William Reinquist
Ralph Reed
Ann Coulter
Cal Thomas
Sen. Kay O'Conner
John Ashcroft
Sen. James Inhofe
Gen. William Boykin
Rush Limbaugh
Gov. Jeb Bush
I'm thinking you didn't read the forum if you are saying these
people
are kooks. Sam

"Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who
are
putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."
Mark Twain

Adds little credence to the issue.


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

Yes, you're right. It doesn't add 'credence' to the issue of the
correct numbers and it doesn't have a whole lot to say about the
original issue concerning world affairs being swayed by belief in the
Rapture. I agree with you that it's proof that a lot of those people
are 'kooks', and will just assume that since they are religous
republicans, you agree with them and their way of thinking is allright.
Thanks, Sam

What, Sam, did you find when you read the first two links? What quotes do you
find in the remainder that supports any undue 'rapturous' or otherwise influence
on the President?

It's very easy to quote something out of context, or 'say' that someone said
something they didn't.

I have no faith in anything these kooks said. But, maybe you can convince me
otherwise. It's for sure that typing a list of names doesn't do it.




John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even
mentioning
my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten
us.


you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause. My
sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.




This is your scientific approach? You should get yourself a job as a WMD
hunter for the Bush Administration.

Eddie "Moose" Krause wasn't Jewish. Of course, his real last name wss
Krauciunas. I don't believe the name "Krause" is anything more than a
German-origin last name.

My paternal grandfather's "real" last name wasn't Krause, either. He and
his brother got that name from an immigration agent when they landed on
Ellis Island. Though they were Russians, they were on board a ship that
began its journey in Germany. When my grandfather and great uncle
arrived
here, the agent said their name was too long and too difficult to
pronounce, so he gave them the name of the guy in front of them.

That's what my grandfather told me. And I did see some paperwork from
"the
old country" with his "real" name on it.

During the late 1930s, my father and his brother spent a bit of time
investigating whether they wanted to change the family name back to what
it was. But by then both of them were working for my great uncle at his
stores, and though that operation had an entirely different trade name,
it
was known as "the Krause family business," so they kept the name.

That's what my dad and uncle told me many years later. They were born in
the Philadelphia area.

My mother's father was born in some awful little town on the
German-Polish
border, and the "ownership" of that town changed hands between those two
countries many times. His family name was solidly German, but because of
geography, he spoke German and Polish fluently, and a half-dozen other
European languages, too.

My mother was born in Boston.

I don't consider myself a hyphenated American. If pressed, I'd say I'm a
Tankee, because I was born in New England and was reared and educated
there, for the most part. My wife is a southern belle, and has that soft
southern accent to prove it.


Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided here,
it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my
tires.



Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.

You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Calif Bill wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...



My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even

mentioning

my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten

us.


you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause. My
sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.




This is your scientific approach? You should get yourself a job as a
WMD
hunter for the Bush Administration.

Eddie "Moose" Krause wasn't Jewish. Of course, his real last name wss
Krauciunas. I don't believe the name "Krause" is anything more than a
German-origin last name.

My paternal grandfather's "real" last name wasn't Krause, either. He
and
his brother got that name from an immigration agent when they landed
on
Ellis Island. Though they were Russians, they were on board a ship
that
began its journey in Germany. When my grandfather and great uncle

arrived

here, the agent said their name was too long and too difficult to
pronounce, so he gave them the name of the guy in front of them.

That's what my grandfather told me. And I did see some paperwork from

"the

old country" with his "real" name on it.

During the late 1930s, my father and his brother spent a bit of time
investigating whether they wanted to change the family name back to
what
it was. But by then both of them were working for my great uncle at
his
stores, and though that operation had an entirely different trade
name,

it

was known as "the Krause family business," so they kept the name.

That's what my dad and uncle told me many years later. They were born
in
the Philadelphia area.

My mother's father was born in some awful little town on the

German-Polish

border, and the "ownership" of that town changed hands between those
two
countries many times. His family name was solidly German, but because
of
geography, he spoke German and Polish fluently, and a half-dozen other
European languages, too.

My mother was born in Boston.

I don't consider myself a hyphenated American. If pressed, I'd say I'm
a
Tankee, because I was born in New England and was reared and educated
there, for the most part. My wife is a southern belle, and has that
soft
southern accent to prove it.


Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided here,

it's

safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my

tires.


Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.


You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.



I'm not the one who came to a conclusion about "your" religious
background based upon incorrect assumptions about a family name. You
ought to apply for a job with the Bush-crap Administration.

I said your relatives. Did not state your religion. You already screwed up
the Democratic party with your ideas.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even
mentioning
my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten
us.


you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause. My
sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.




This is your scientific approach? You should get yourself a job as a
WMD
hunter for the Bush Administration.

Eddie "Moose" Krause wasn't Jewish. Of course, his real last name wss
Krauciunas. I don't believe the name "Krause" is anything more than a
German-origin last name.

My paternal grandfather's "real" last name wasn't Krause, either. He
and
his brother got that name from an immigration agent when they landed on
Ellis Island. Though they were Russians, they were on board a ship that
began its journey in Germany. When my grandfather and great uncle
arrived
here, the agent said their name was too long and too difficult to
pronounce, so he gave them the name of the guy in front of them.

That's what my grandfather told me. And I did see some paperwork from
"the
old country" with his "real" name on it.

During the late 1930s, my father and his brother spent a bit of time
investigating whether they wanted to change the family name back to
what
it was. But by then both of them were working for my great uncle at his
stores, and though that operation had an entirely different trade name,
it
was known as "the Krause family business," so they kept the name.

That's what my dad and uncle told me many years later. They were born
in
the Philadelphia area.

My mother's father was born in some awful little town on the
German-Polish
border, and the "ownership" of that town changed hands between those
two
countries many times. His family name was solidly German, but because
of
geography, he spoke German and Polish fluently, and a half-dozen other
European languages, too.

My mother was born in Boston.

I don't consider myself a hyphenated American. If pressed, I'd say I'm
a
Tankee, because I was born in New England and was reared and educated
there, for the most part. My wife is a southern belle, and has that
soft
southern accent to prove it.


Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided here,
it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my
tires.



Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.

You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.

You might want to read my message again, and then restate the paragraph
above. You missed something.

"John H" wrote in message
...


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring? Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note. First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and you
are fixated on it.

Next: "to what policies", you asked. From my point of view, ***ANY***
thoughts from American religious zealots regarding the Middle East should be
ignored completely by any president. Period. The region is too hot,
emotionally, for some people to view it with any kind of objectivity. Even
sane people have a hard time with it. The insane can only be worse.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring? Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the world to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Next: "to what policies", you asked. From my point of view, ***ANY***
thoughts from American religious zealots regarding the Middle East should be
ignored completely by any president. Period. The region is too hot,
emotionally, for some people to view it with any kind of objectivity. Even
sane people have a hard time with it. The insane can only be worse.


I agree that extremists from either religious *or* secular zealots should not be
the basis for decisions. They cannot, and should not, be totally ignored.
Senator Byrd, on the other hand, *should* be totally ignored.

Have a great day!


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
. ..


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring?
Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks
seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate
all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the world
to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Well, John, many crazy people were sane before they were crazy. There's no
way of knowing if or when some of these loonies might get to your president,
and maybe *he* steps over the line, too.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:35:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring?
Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks
seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate
all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the world
to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Well, John, many crazy people were sane before they were crazy. There's no
way of knowing if or when some of these loonies might get to your president,
and maybe *he* steps over the line, too.


Yup, we have to hope our presidents give the extremists on both sides the
deserved attention and then take the appropriate action.

Luckily, Bush has done a super job in this area.

Have a *spectacular* day!


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:35:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:32:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
m...


Good. Write to your president. Better yet, scream at your
legislators.
Your
president wouldn't understand anyway.

Why?

Because you want them to watch out for policies that stink of
religious
fundamentalism. Why indeed.


Now you've come full-circle again. To what policies are you referring?
Is
Bush
about to start lobbing nukes to bring about this 'rapture' you folks
seem
so
enthralled with?


John H

This is getting boring, so let's end it on a simple note.

You're right.

First of all,
pretend this happening on paper. Take a fat, black marker and eliminate
all
occurrences of the word "nukes". I don't know where it came from, and
you
are fixated on it.


The 'nukes' came from the supposed requirement for an ending of the
world
to
achieve the 'rapture'.

Well, John, many crazy people were sane before they were crazy. There's no
way of knowing if or when some of these loonies might get to your
president,
and maybe *he* steps over the line, too.


Yup, we have to hope our presidents give the extremists on both sides the
deserved attention and then take the appropriate action.

Luckily, Bush has done a super job in this area.

Have a *spectacular* day!

Yes. That has resulted in his Middle East policy, summarized as "Stop Hating
Us, Or Suffer the Consequences". :-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


My Jewish relatives? Hmmm. I don't recall discussing or even
mentioning
my personal religious preferences here. Perhaps you might enlighten
us.


you most likely have Jewish relatives, since your name is Krause.
My
sister
in law is Jewish, and I am Irish / Norwegian background.




This is your scientific approach? You should get yourself a job as a
WMD
hunter for the Bush Administration.

Eddie "Moose" Krause wasn't Jewish. Of course, his real last name wss
Krauciunas. I don't believe the name "Krause" is anything more than a
German-origin last name.

My paternal grandfather's "real" last name wasn't Krause, either. He
and
his brother got that name from an immigration agent when they landed
on
Ellis Island. Though they were Russians, they were on board a ship
that
began its journey in Germany. When my grandfather and great uncle
arrived
here, the agent said their name was too long and too difficult to
pronounce, so he gave them the name of the guy in front of them.

That's what my grandfather told me. And I did see some paperwork from
"the
old country" with his "real" name on it.

During the late 1930s, my father and his brother spent a bit of time
investigating whether they wanted to change the family name back to
what
it was. But by then both of them were working for my great uncle at
his
stores, and though that operation had an entirely different trade
name,
it
was known as "the Krause family business," so they kept the name.

That's what my dad and uncle told me many years later. They were born
in
the Philadelphia area.

My mother's father was born in some awful little town on the
German-Polish
border, and the "ownership" of that town changed hands between those
two
countries many times. His family name was solidly German, but because
of
geography, he spoke German and Polish fluently, and a half-dozen
other
European languages, too.

My mother was born in Boston.

I don't consider myself a hyphenated American. If pressed, I'd say
I'm
a
Tankee, because I was born in New England and was reared and educated
there, for the most part. My wife is a southern belle, and has that
soft
southern accent to prove it.


Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided
here,
it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my
tires.



Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.

You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.

You might want to read my message again, and then restate the paragraph
above. You missed something.



It is logic. Bad logic.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:52:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


Yes. That has resulted in his Middle East policy, summarized as "Stop Hating
Us, Or Suffer the Consequences". :-)


For sure! Even the NY Times is commenting about his results in the middle east:

*****************************************
The New York Times
March 1, 2005
EDITORIAL
Mideast Climate Change

It's not even spring yet, but a long-frozen political order seems to be cracking
all over the Middle East. Cautious hopes for something new and better are
stirring along the Tigris and the Nile, the elegant boulevards of Beirut, and
the impoverished towns of the Gaza Strip. It is far too soon for any certainties
about ultimate outcomes. In Iraq, a brutal insurgency still competes for
headlines with post-election democratic maneuvering. Yesterday a suicide bomber
plowed into a crowd of Iraqi police and Army recruits, killing at least 122
people - the largest death toll in a single such bombing since the American
invasion nearly two years ago. And the Palestinian terrorists who blew up a Tel
Aviv nightclub last Friday underscored the continuing fragility of what has now
been almost two months of steady political and diplomatic progress between
Israelis and Palestinians.

Still, this has so far been a year of heartening surprises - each one remarkable
in itself, and taken together truly astonishing. The Bush administration is
entitled to claim a healthy share of the credit for many of these advances. It
boldly proclaimed the cause of Middle East democracy at a time when few in the
West thought it had any realistic chance. And for all the negative consequences
that flowed from the American invasion of Iraq, there could have been no
democratic elections there this January if Saddam Hussein had still been in
power. Washington's challenge now lies in finding ways to nurture and encourage
these still fragile trends without smothering them in a triumphalist embrace.

Lebanon's political reawakening took a significant new turn yesterday when
popular protests brought down the pro-Syrian government of Prime Minister Omar
Karami. Syria's occupation of Lebanon, nearly three decades long, started
tottering after the Feb. 14 assassination of the country's leading independent
politician, the former prime minister Rafik Hariri.

If Damascus had a hand in this murder, as many Lebanese suspect, it had a
boomerang effect on Lebanon's politics. Instead of intimidating critics of
Syria's dominant role, it inflamed them. To stem the growing backlash over the
Hariri murder, last week Syria announced its intentions to pull back its
occupation forces to a region near the border - although without offering any
firm timetable. Yesterday, with protests continuing, the pro-Syrian cabinet
resigned. Washington, in an unusual alliance with France, continues to press for
full compliance with the Security Council's demand for an early and complete
Syrian withdrawal. That needs to happen promptly. Once Syria is gone, Hezbollah,
which has engaged in international terrorism under Syrian protection, must
either confine itself to peaceful political activity or be shut down.

Last weekend's surprise announcement of plans to hold at least nominally
competitive presidential elections in Egypt could prove even more historic,
although many of the specific details seem likely to be disappointing. Egypt is
the Arab world's most populous country and one of its most politically
influential. In more than five millenniums of recorded history, it has never
seen a truly free and competitive election.

To be realistic, Egypt isn't likely to see one this year either. For all his
talk of opening up the process, President Hosni Mubarak, 76, is likely to make
sure that no threatening candidates emerge to deny him a fifth six-year term.
But after seeing more than eight million Iraqis choose their leaders in January,
Egypt's voters, and its increasingly courageous opposition movement, will no
longer retreat into sullen hopelessness so readily. The Bush administration has
helped foster that feeling of hope for a democratic future by keeping the
pressure on Mr. Mubarak. But the real heroes are on-the-ground patriots like
Ayman Nour, who founded a new party aptly named Tomorrow last October and is now
in jail. If Mr. Mubarak truly wants more open politics, he should free Mr. Nour
promptly.

It is similarly encouraging that the terrorists who attacked a Tel Aviv
nightclub on Friday, killing five Israelis, have not yet managed to completely
scuttle the new peace dynamic between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
Israel contends that those terrorists were sponsored by Syria, but its soldiers
reported discovering an explosives-filled car in the West Bank yesterday. The
good news is that the leaders on both sides did not instantly retreat to
familiar corners in angry rejectionism. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and the new
Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, have proved they can work together to thwart
terrorism and deny terrorists an instant veto over progress toward a negotiated
peace.

Over the past two decades, as democracies replaced police states across Central
and Eastern Europe and Latin America, and a new economic dynamism lifted
hundreds of millions of eastern and southern Asia out of poverty and into the
middle class, the Middle East stagnated in a perverse time warp that reduced its
brightest people to hopelessness or barely contained rage. The wonder is less
that a new political restlessness is finally visible, but that it took so long
to break through the ice.

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John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...



Harry: Based on Bill's logic, and the information you've provided
here,
it's
safe to conclude that there's between 32 and 34 pounds of air in my
tires.



Not if the temperature drops well below freezing. Well, it might, if
it
started out a lot higher.

Bill has a problem with logic, which makes me wonder how the hell he
ever became an engineer.

You say I have a problem with logic, and you appear to agree with
Doug's
logic. I can see why you stayed in liberal arts.

You might want to read my message again, and then restate the paragraph
above. You missed something.



It is logic. Bad logic.



WHOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
ROFL! :-)

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 17:52:05 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


Yes. That has resulted in his Middle East policy, summarized as "Stop
Hating
Us, Or Suffer the Consequences". :-)


For sure! Even the NY Times is commenting about his results in the middle
east:

Yes. I saw that.

John H wrote:
snip

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Not if you consider processing delays. Some delays get discounted,
becoming fuzzy logic of the first instance. It can be utilized to
benefit. Glitchy.

Tell me a second instance, and I may show you a third.

Terry K

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:38:41 -0400, Terry Spragg
wrote:

John H wrote:
snip

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Not if you consider processing delays. Some delays get discounted,
becoming fuzzy logic of the first instance. It can be utilized to
benefit. Glitchy.

Tell me a second instance, and I may show you a third.

Terry K

Huh?


John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
snip

John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."


Not if you consider processing delays. Some delays get discounted,
becoming fuzzy logic of the first instance. It can be utilized to benefit.
Glitchy.

Tell me a second instance, and I may show you a third.

Terry K


John's "binary thinking" quote wasn't connected with computer science,
mathematics or logic. Rather, it was a comment on the behavior of his
favorite political thinkers.