On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:45:53 GMT, "Jim," wrote:

John H wrote:

On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:29:32 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


JimH wrote:


Well in the strict definition of the word mess -- Iraq is a mess because
the US bombed most of the infrastructure all to hell.


Bull****. In almost every case the infrastructure is better than before the war
started.


In the mode I intended it, Iraq is a mess because we have accomplished
little, at a loss of 1500 lives, Billions of Dollars, infinite loss of
respect from both the countries of the middle east, and out former
allies in Europe.


Bull****. Most of the world would agree that the changes to the mideast amount
to a very significant accomplishment.


As for Osama -- he was declared to be our primary target following 9/11.
It's been well over 3 years and we haven't got him -- probably because
of the distraction of Iraq.


More bull****. It took the police and FBI twenty plus years to catch the BTK
killer in Wichita. What the hell are you folks going to bitch about when Osama
*is* caught? Ninety percent of your whining rationale will be gone.


Do *YOU* think Iraq is a well ordered, well run place you might like to
vacation to?


I suppose it would be better off if the Iraqis were getting killed and dumped at
the rate of 30,000 =/- per year?

Would you like to vacation in Kosovo?

Jimcomma, you lost the election. Your whines and rants do nothing to serve your
liberal interests.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes


Here is the DRAFT of an OFFICIAL report John -- Suggest you read what
our own Center for Strategic and International studies has to say.

http://www.sftt.org/PDF/article01042005a.pdf

Chapter 1 Failures in recognizing the growth and character of the
insurgent threat

Chapter 2 Evolving threat tactics and pressure on government forces

Chapter 3 The evolving nature of the insurgency

Were mistakes made? Yes. Could we have done better at recognizing the insurgent
threat? Yes.

Are the Iraqis better off now than under Saddam? Yes. Have major changes
occurred in the political processes of Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia,
Palestine, Lebanon, Libya, and, most recently, Syria? Yes.

So you keep up your whining if it makes you feel better. Please note the *past
tense* used throughout your cited report.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes