Rick:

In my case it takes me all the way to a shopping cart and ready to
checkout. What may be happening is that you might have a firewall setting
or some setting in your Internet browser that is preventing you from running
Javascript correctly. Let me tell you what I click on and see if you can do
the same

1. I go to http://www.honda-marine.com
2. On the web page I get a graphic that is switching among 3 or 4 picture
with some animated text. Right above the graphic there's a menu with the
following options: "2-20 HP", "25-90 HP", "115-225 HP", "JET DRIVES",
"PRODUCT RECALL", "LOCATE A DEALER", and "CUSTOMER SERVICE". Below the
graphic there's another menu with the following options: "WHAT'S NEW",
"OWNERS", "WHY CHOOSE HONDA", "TEAM HONDA", "OUTBOARD PROFESSOR", and
"ACCESSORIES".
3. I hover the mouse over the OWNERS option on the menu below the graphic
and a menu pops up with three selections "ONWER LINK REGISTRATION",
"MANUALS", and "FAQ".
4. I click on MANUALS and that takes me to the following page:
http://www.honda-marine.com/mar_manuals.htm
5. From a menu on the left column I choose SERVICE MANUALS. That takes me
to this page which seems like a different company from Honda:
http://www.helminc.com/helm/search_s...=1%20%0D%0D%0D.
I get a drop-down list for model and document type.
6. I choose "Outboard Motors" under Model (the only choice), "Shop/Service
Information" under Document Type, and click on Search. BTW, this site is
also using Javascript, so that has to be enabled in your browser/firewall.
7. I get a listing of shop manuals for different models, a column for
Quantity, and an "Add to Cart" button. I assume you're be looking for the
BF20D, so there's an entry for BF15D/20D Marine Outboard Shop Manual, price
$51.95, In Stock, English, Paper, 61ZY600.
8. I put 1 on the quantity and click on Add to Cart, and get a Shopping Cart
page where it shows the manual just added and a "Checkout" button.
9. I click on Check Out and get a shipping page where I type my name,
address, and phone.
10. Then I get to a page where it's asking me for a credit card, and I stop
cause I don't want more reading material...:-)

Another alternative is to go straight to the Helm Inc site:
http://www.helminc.com, click on "Aftermarket Do-it-yourself and
independents", choose Honda-Marine for vehicle brand, and then you get to
the same page as in step 5 above.

Like I mentioned, both sides are using Javascript so you need to have it
enabled. If you still can't get to the manual, this must be the problem.
I'm not sure if I can help, but let me know what you're using. Good luck

Sergio


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On 2/19/05 "Sergio Ramirez" wrote:
Have you tried their website? http://www.honda-marine.com

Thanks yep. The site says you can download this or that but when you
follow the instructions, you end up at a dead end (no download
button/link). I've just assumed their site is still under construction
and they haven't put their active links in yet.
If you can figure out how to do what they say you can do, lemme know.
The site confirms what the telephone menu says though. I'm supposed to
be able to order a parts catalog though any dealer. I'll try that next
week if I can't figure out how to download one by then.
Thanks again
Rick

Sergio. Not sure if it was my firewall or Java or me, but your
detailed instruction did the trick.
Many thanks,
Rick

On 2/21/05, "Sergio Ramirez" wrote:
Rick:

In my case it takes me all the way to a shopping cart and ready to
checkout. What may be happening is that you might have a firewall setting
or some setting in your Internet browser that is preventing you from running
Javascript correctly. Let me tell you what I click on and see if you can do
the same

1. I go to http://www.honda-marine.com
2. On the web page I get a graphic that is switching among 3 or 4 picture
with some animated text. Right above the graphic there's a menu with the
following options: "2-20 HP", "25-90 HP", "115-225 HP", "JET DRIVES",
"PRODUCT RECALL", "LOCATE A DEALER", and "CUSTOMER SERVICE". Below the
graphic there's another menu with the following options: "WHAT'S NEW",
"OWNERS", "WHY CHOOSE HONDA", "TEAM HONDA", "OUTBOARD PROFESSOR", and
"ACCESSORIES".
3. I hover the mouse over the OWNERS option on the menu below the graphic
and a menu pops up with three selections "ONWER LINK REGISTRATION",
"MANUALS", and "FAQ".
4. I click on MANUALS and that takes me to the following page:
http://www.honda-marine.com/mar_manuals.htm
5. From a menu on the left column I choose SERVICE MANUALS. That takes me
to this page which seems like a different company from Honda:
http://www.helminc.com/helm/search_s...=1%20%0D%0D%0D.
I get a drop-down list for model and document type.
6. I choose "Outboard Motors" under Model (the only choice), "Shop/Service
Information" under Document Type, and click on Search. BTW, this site is
also using Javascript, so that has to be enabled in your browser/firewall.
7. I get a listing of shop manuals for different models, a column for
Quantity, and an "Add to Cart" button. I assume you're be looking for the
BF20D, so there's an entry for BF15D/20D Marine Outboard Shop Manual, price
$51.95, In Stock, English, Paper, 61ZY600.
8. I put 1 on the quantity and click on Add to Cart, and get a Shopping Cart
page where it shows the manual just added and a "Checkout" button.
9. I click on Check Out and get a shipping page where I type my name,
address, and phone.
10. Then I get to a page where it's asking me for a credit card, and I stop
cause I don't want more reading material...:-)

Another alternative is to go straight to the Helm Inc site:
http://www.helminc.com, click on "Aftermarket Do-it-yourself and
independents", choose Honda-Marine for vehicle brand, and then you get to
the same page as in step 5 above.

Like I mentioned, both sides are using Javascript so you need to have it
enabled. If you still can't get to the manual, this must be the problem.
I'm not sure if I can help, but let me know what you're using. Good luck

Sergio


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On 2/19/05 "Sergio Ramirez" wrote:
Have you tried their website? http://www.honda-marine.com

Thanks yep. The site says you can download this or that but when you
follow the instructions, you end up at a dead end (no download
button/link). I've just assumed their site is still under construction
and they haven't put their active links in yet.
If you can figure out how to do what they say you can do, lemme know.
The site confirms what the telephone menu says though. I'm supposed to
be able to order a parts catalog though any dealer. I'll try that next
week if I can't figure out how to download one by then.
Thanks again
Rick

This just a follow up.
After getting the run around from 2 dealers, one who told me ordering
a manual was impossible and the other told me it would take at least
six months because Honda didn't publish them anymore (huh??), I
ordered the Shop Manual online.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, "Sergio Ramirez" wrote:
Another alternative is to go straight to the Helm Inc site:
http://www.helminc.com, click on "Aftermarket Do-it-yourself and
independents", choose Honda-Marine for vehicle brand

I placed my order on Tuesday the 22nd and it came in the mail today,
Monday the 28th. Cost $56.95 including shipping and worth every
nickle. Appears to be the official Honda copyrighted version.

Thanks Sergio, and thanks other responders as well.
Rick

The Honda carbs are even easier to do than the others you mentioned.

BTW, 2 hours to remove and clean a Honda carb on a 20 HP? Find a new
tech. That should only take one hour, in my experience.

Do you have an air compressor? How about carb cleaner, "Gunk".
Dismantle it, soak it in GUNK, wash it clean in gas or varsol, clean
all your circuits (idle, off idle) using a thin wire to snake through
the circuits. Blow it all clean with compressed air. A new kit, I am
guessing, should be about $20.00. Yeah, and a service manual will save
you hours of guess work. I'd get one.

Also, I am not sure what your tech is talking about, but if you
stabilize the fuel in the winter, spring start up and run should be a
breeze and this should not be occurring yearly.

On 7 Mar 2005, nevermore2005 wrote:
BTW, 2 hours to remove and clean a Honda carb on a 20 HP? Find a new
tech. That should only take one hour, in my experience.

After looking at the shop manual, I was thinking the same thing. Might
take me 2 hours the first time but after that, unless there's
something I'm not seeing in the manual, and hour looks about right.
Problem is, I haven't HAD an hour (much less two) lately.

Do you have an air compressor?

Nope

How about carb cleaner, "Gunk".

Yep. Plenty of it.

Dismantle it, soak it in GUNK, wash it clean in gas or varsol, clean
all your circuits (idle, off idle) using a thin wire to snake through
the circuits. Blow it all clean with compressed air. A new kit, I am
guessing, should be about $20.00.

How's about I just open the bowl, remove the jet, jet nozzle, main
nozzel and spray THEM down with carb cleaner. Then stick it back
together without a kit. I mean the carb is practically brand new. I'm
thinkin' I can save the gaskets unless they're glued in there with
something..

Yeah, and a service manual will save
you hours of guess work. I'd get one.

Got one.

Also, I am not sure what your tech is talking about, but if you
stabilize the fuel in the winter, spring start up and run should be a
breeze and this should not be occurring yearly.

I hope you're right.
Another thing, the tech hasn't seen the engine. He's just guessing
from the symptoms I described. It seemed odd to me because the engine
will crank up and run fine for a couple of minutes, the suddenly try
to shut down, popping on about every 40th revolution until it finally
just quits. But then it will immediately crank right back up and run
fine for another couple of minutes. Over and over again like that.
Tech says it's running on a special "start up" circuit for the first
couple of minutes but then switches to the main jet and that's what's
clogged, so it shuts down. One pull though and it starts right back up
on the "start up" cirguit. I guess that makes sense but ... well,
we'll see... when I get a spare hour or so.
Thanks for the response.
Rick