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Talk boats not politics
This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to
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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:48:51 -0500, "Scott Gardner"
wrote: This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? We could only hope - sorry but I'm afraid it's only wishful thinking. |
"Scott Gardner" wrote in message news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01... This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? Lets go. You start. |
This is an unmoderated group.
The content is determined by the participants, (in actual practice). There is a constant stream of folks who never post anything about boats, but simply complain that others do not post enough about boats or don't post exclusively about boats. This is a rough neighborhood. Even when you post on topic expect to be insulted, flamed, and worse. (I've just been called on the carpet for "misleading the group about the length of the boat" when I stated the 260 Defiance had an LOA of 26 feet)... If you're looking for highly regulated, polite, adult discussion try boatered.com (be prepared to be spammed by the moderator), or thehulltruth.com (where there is almost as much political BS as here, but because of the difference in format it is segregated into its own section of the site). Otherwise, what sort of boating topic would you like to discuss? It won't happen unless you start the ball rolling. :-) |
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Trust me on that - I got sucked into a couple even thought I knew better. It's hard not to do. Later, Tom Been there Tom, it IS best to ignore the crap. |
OK I will start by introducing myself. My name is Scott and I have a 2003
MAXUM 3300 SE. I purchased this boat new at the end of the 2003 season and had it splashed for the very 1st time in April 2004. It has twin 5.7L Merc. 350's rated at 250 HP each with Bravo 3 drives.It had every available option except a generator and the navigation electronics, which is fine for me because Maxum uses Raymarine equipment and I prefer Garmin. So i had the generator installed and added a Tracvision 4 in motion satellite tracking system and a Garmin 3006C color chartplotter with the GDL-30 XM satellite weather receiver.This thing is awesome. I can see live weather radar on my chartplotter in real time and get up to the minute weather forecasts. I love my boat and how I equipped it. I cruise on the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay. How about everyone else? Where do you boat and what kind of boat do you have? I am new to this group but hope I will fit in. Scott. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Scott Gardner" wrote in message news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01... This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? Lets go. You start. |
To barge in, here is a topic just brought to my attention, although this
probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising... I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea), and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies. Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice. Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going down with the ship, to be sure. Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter? "JimH" wrote in message ... "Scott Gardner" wrote in message news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01... This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? Lets go. You start. |
Scott,
I just found a home for these missplaces political junkies. With over 35,000 news groups there should be a home out there somewhere for them. I found it................'alt.politics' .................. 67,600 posts...................have at it boys. I know why they are here, they are not even noticed there..........sad. I they would leave we could get back to 'rec.boats' and have a great newsgroup again. We could start 'rec.boats.no.politics.please'. -- Bill Kiene Small boat lover "Scott Gardner" wrote in message news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01... This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? |
Scott Gardner wrote:
OK I will start by introducing myself. My name is Scott and I have a 2003 MAXUM 3300 SE. I purchased this boat new at the end of the 2003 season and had it splashed for the very 1st time in April 2004. It has twin 5.7L Merc. 350's rated at 250 HP each with Bravo 3 drives.It had every available option except a generator and the navigation electronics, which is fine for me because Maxum uses Raymarine equipment and I prefer Garmin. So i had the generator installed and added a Tracvision 4 in motion satellite tracking system and a Garmin 3006C color chartplotter with the GDL-30 XM satellite weather receiver.This thing is awesome. I can see live weather radar on my chartplotter in real time and get up to the minute weather forecasts. I love my boat and how I equipped it. I cruise on the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay. How about everyone else? Where do you boat and what kind of boat do you have? I am new to this group but hope I will fit in. Scott. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Scott Gardner" wrote in message news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01... This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? Lets go. You start. 34ft very old clinker hulled full cabin cruiser, 65Hp diesel power, does 9-10 kts flat out & cruises 6-7 kts on 1 ltr/nautical mile. Most of the home comforts, no installed genset but carry a petrol unit (2 KVA way too noisy!!! wish it were one of those new Hondas:-)) The boat has been in the family a long time & is much loved by many, family & strangers alike:-) But like all old friends; has some off days:-) Mostly protected cruising waters with occasional coastal hops to new grounds. The coastal runs are planned around the weather. K So the Krause lie of the day??? Here ya go:-) So just getting back to the Hatt 43 lie:-) What happened was at least 2 of the NG people lived near where he "claimed" he did & said they'd settle if he owned a Hatt 43 or not by simply calling around & taking a look:-) After all his usual abuse & fained "privacy" concerns it was starting to look like his lying hide was about to be hung out to dry:-) This would be more than his ego could even contemplate, so in his desperation not to be caught red handed (again:-)) he then lied again; which despite it being totally unbelievable it allowed his damaged mind to think he was still the big man his lies had created:-) Doubt save to organise employment wrecking union strokes he's never even been to Florida but he desperately needed to get away from the lie mansion & the lie Hatt 43:-) We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:32:39 GMT, "Greg"
wrote: To barge in, here is a topic just brought to my attention, although this probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising... I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea), and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies. Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice. Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going down with the ship, to be sure. Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter? I haven't read the book, but what would make an inflatable life raft undesirable? Compact, easy to store, designed to float to the surface, provide shelter from the elements and are reasonably tough. What's not to like? Later, Tom |
K. Smith wrote:
Scott Gardner wrote: OK I will start by introducing myself. My name is Scott and I have a 2003 MAXUM 3300 SE. I purchased this boat new at the end of the 2003 season and had it splashed for the very 1st time in April 2004. It has twin 5.7L Merc. 350's rated at 250 HP each with Bravo 3 drives.It had every available option except a generator and the navigation electronics, which is fine for me because Maxum uses Raymarine equipment and I prefer Garmin. So i had the generator installed and added a Tracvision 4 in motion satellite tracking system and a Garmin 3006C color chartplotter with the GDL-30 XM satellite weather receiver.This thing is awesome. I can see live weather radar on my chartplotter in real time and get up to the minute weather forecasts. I love my boat and how I equipped it. I cruise on the Potomac River and Chesapeake Bay. How about everyone else? Where do you boat and what kind of boat do you have? I am new to this group but hope I will fit in. Scott. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Scott Gardner" wrote in message news:C%qNd.104814$Jk5.60761@lakeread01... This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? Lets go. You start. 34ft very old clinker hulled full cabin cruiser, 65Hp diesel power, does 9-10 kts flat out & cruises 6-7 kts on 1 ltr/nautical mile. Most of the home comforts, no installed genset but carry a petrol unit (2 KVA way too noisy!!! wish it were one of those new Hondas:-)) The boat has been in the family a long time & is much loved by many, family & strangers alike:-) But like all old friends; has some off days:-) Mostly protected cruising waters with occasional coastal hops to new grounds. The coastal runs are planned around the weather. K snip 'lie of the day' Hey Karen, How about you sink the 'lie of the day' in deep water? Its not doing you any favours :-( Personally I'd understand if you used it in threads that were allready way OT in a non-boating direction or if you were directly responding to the 'Real' H. Krause. Others may differ. OnT content: Boat's an Albacore as per sig. I also crew for various yachties. Wrench on the club safety boat OBs and my own seagulls. I do mostly day sailing and coastal cruising in Stingo. Camp ashore if I have to but am 'soft' so prefer B&B :-) Handicap racing mostly in the club Wayfarer right through the winter on a fairly tricky tidal bit of the river Thames. International Albacore site: http://www.albacore.org/ Boats of rec.boats: http://thebayguide.com/rec.boats/ unsolicited_plug Maintained as a non-commercial service by Lee Yeaton of the 'Chesapeake Bay Guide': http://www.thebayguide.com/ /unsolicited_plug I strongly reccomend everyone here who actually floats a boat submits a photo to the 'Boats of rec.boats' site. -- Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED) ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL: 'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Early 60's, Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot moulded wooden racing dinghy. |
Just ignore the BS and try to keep your temper under control when you see something particularly egregious. The only way to kill the off-topic stuff is to ignore it. Trust me on that - I got sucked into a couple even thought I knew better. It's hard not to do. I agree 100%. Usually don't even read it but sometimes something will catch my eye and occasionally I can't help myself. If everyone would ignore the few they would probably get tired of talking to themselves. |
Lets go. You start. I'll be glad to jump in here. I have a 17' Cajun Bass boat which is currently for sale (as is the lake house) as I'm going back to salt water. I just bought a new SV2100CC Sea Pro with a 200 Yamaha which was supposed to be ready for pickup last week but is now scheduled for this week. I've equipped it so far with a hydraulic jack plate, Lenco trim tabs, Sunbrella Bimini top, Lowrance X-18 GPS and Icon 402S radio. To please SWMBO I added the 6' removable rear bench seat option to accommodate all those people she expects to join us on our fishing expeditions. Plan to add compass when I get the boat so I'll have a better idea of space limitations (wanted Danforth Constellation but was told the 5" was too big), dual batteries with switch, trolling motor, probably wash down pump and maybe built in tackle boxes. Looking forward to getting it but it's raining today so makes it a little easier. |
Oh, come on. After all these years, doesn't anybody get it yet? Rec.boats
is not just for talk about boats. Its for boaters to get together to talk about whatever boaters talk about - and that could be anything. Here you'll find the same conversations you might partake in at the dock, at a raftup or especially around the yacht club bar in the winter. Lighten up, plug in your sense of humor and enjoy! Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." Scott Gardner wrote: This is a boat newsgroup not politics, so can we keep the discussion to boats only please? |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:32:39 GMT, "Greg"
wrote: To barge in, here is a topic just brought to my attention, although this probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising... I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea), and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies. Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice. Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going down with the ship, to be sure. Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter? Not only did I read it, it was my firm who edited it. Great book, a very nice read. When I did my solo trans-atlantic, I had a large rubber raft on board. Now I wish I didnt have it. In retrospect, it took up a lot of room, which I could have made better use of. |
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:52:46 GMT, Harry Krause
wrote: On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 04:32:39 GMT, "Greg" wrote: To barge in, here is a topic just brought to my attention, although this probably belongs in rec.boats.cruising... I just finished the book Adrift, by Steven Callahan (76 days Lost at Sea), and have to ask why anyone would buy an inflatable raft for emergencies. Sure, safe at home, I can think of several, but after reading his account and seeing how much better off he would have been with an "unsinkable" foam and fiberglass dinghy, they seem to be a very poor choice. Granted, his "real" sailboat was a homebuilt 21 footer and it went down in a mighty empty piece of ocean (south-west of canaries), but after reading his story, rubber rafts seem VERY undesirable - although a notch up from going down with the ship, to be sure. Any one else read the book or have thoughts on the matter? Not only did I read it, it was my firm who edited it. Great book, a very nice read. When I did my solo trans-atlantic, I had a large rubber raft on board. Now I wish I didnt have it. In retrospect, it took up a lot of room, which I could have made better use of. Enough is enough. It stopped being funny about 15 posts ago. |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I haven't read the book, but what would make an inflatable life raft undesirable? Compact, easy to store, designed to float to the surface, provide shelter from the elements and are reasonably tough. What's not to like? Part of the problem was caused by his extended stay, obviously. But the waves really pounded him, at times even folding the raft. It took on water pretty easy, which led to sal****er sores/ulcers. He had to daily reinflate the raft, which once hunger set in, became a more critical issue. The canopy waterproofing wore off - more water. A fish he speared ripped the bottom tube, which he was able to patch and reinflate. And the worst was the fish biting and sharks hitting him thru the bottom. He was pretty much in constant fear of a shark biting thru the raft - especially when the bottom tube was punctured and his feet extended an obvious distance below the raft. Again, some of this was definitely due to the 76 days before rescue (1800 miles later near Guadeloupe). But I could see the wildwife and swamping by waves a serious issue for shorter stays. This was in 1982. Maybe current rafts do a better job? I recommend the book, very good read. Later, Tom |
Hurtwit wrote:
Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck? **************************************** What fight? I simply marveled that we would have two guys named Bill Kiene in rec.boats. One of them condemns political posting on the same day the other one makes disparaging remarks about liberal democrats elsewhere on the site. How is that a fight? Check it out..it's a fact. Obviously we have two Bill Kiene's, or a flip flopping hypocrite that would put a lot of others to shame. I prefer to believe, as I posted, that there are two of them. That's not a fight. I only fight with a guy who spent his first 6-8 months posting under the name Dennis Compton, and being so obnoxious that 90% of the group was ticked off at that person for his behavior. When the prick had his fill of annoying everybody, he then posted that he had been lying all along, he didn't really own a boat, and that he was a graduate student at some college someplace where he had been assigned, (as a class project), to get on usenet, be disruptive as hell, and make notes about the reactions of his unwitting subjects. Of course, the second lie was the actual lie......no college course, no graduate student, just a frustrated old middle aged failure with some emotional issues and a Bayliner for sale. Not all that long ago, the same guy posted that the only reason he frequents rec.boats is to have fun by stirring up trouble, and that he reserves his extensive knowledge about boating, (never in evidence here), for the "real" boating groups he frequents when he's not stirring up trouble in rec.boats. Funny thing is, I'd ignore the loser completely if he didn't follow me around like a goofy little puppy dog. He has some sick emotional need to get abused every day, and we liberals do believe in helping the needy. :-) If you run into this guy someplace, tell him what I said. Thanks. |
wrote in message oups.com... Hurtwit wrote: Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck? **************************************** What fight? I simply marveled that we would have two guys named Bill Kiene in rec.boats. One of them condemns political posting on the same day the other one makes disparaging remarks about liberal democrats elsewhere on the site. How is that a fight? Check it out..it's a fact. Obviously we have two Bill Kiene's, or a flip flopping hypocrite that would put a lot of others to shame. I prefer to believe, as I posted, that there are two of them. That's not a fight. I only fight with a guy who spent his first 6-8 months posting under the name Dennis Compton, and being so obnoxious that 90% of the group was ticked off at that person for his behavior. When the prick had his fill of annoying everybody, he then posted that he had been lying all along, he didn't really own a boat, and that he was a graduate student at some college someplace where he had been assigned, (as a class project), to get on usenet, be disruptive as hell, and make notes about the reactions of his unwitting subjects. Of course, the second lie was the actual lie......no college course, no graduate student, just a frustrated old middle aged failure with some emotional issues and a Bayliner for sale. Not all that long ago, the same guy posted that the only reason he frequents rec.boats is to have fun by stirring up trouble, and that he reserves his extensive knowledge about boating, (never in evidence here), for the "real" boating groups he frequents when he's not stirring up trouble in rec.boats. Funny thing is, I'd ignore the loser completely if he didn't follow me around like a goofy little puppy dog. He has some sick emotional need to get abused every day, and we liberals do believe in helping the needy. :-) If you run into this guy someplace, tell him what I said. Thanks. Looks like it is about time for you to pick up you bat and ball and run home to mommy.......you know, take a break from the NG like you did a year or so ago when you started showing the same freaking signs of losing control of yourself. Give it a try Chucky....you are about ready to lose it completely. |
On 7 Feb 2005 09:46:29 -0800, "Greg"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I haven't read the book, but what would make an inflatable life raft undesirable? Compact, easy to store, designed to float to the surface, provide shelter from the elements and are reasonably tough. What's not to like? Part of the problem was caused by his extended stay, obviously. But the waves really pounded him, at times even folding the raft. It took on water pretty easy, which led to sal****er sores/ulcers. He had to daily reinflate the raft, which once hunger set in, became a more critical issue. The canopy waterproofing wore off - more water. A fish he speared ripped the bottom tube, which he was able to patch and reinflate. And the worst was the fish biting and sharks hitting him thru the bottom. He was pretty much in constant fear of a shark biting thru the raft - especially when the bottom tube was punctured and his feet extended an obvious distance below the raft. Again, some of this was definitely due to the 76 days before rescue (1800 miles later near Guadeloupe). But I could see the wildwife and swamping by waves a serious issue for shorter stays. This was in 1982. Maybe current rafts do a better job? I recommend the book, very good read. I'll just say this - it kept him afloat and alive didn't it? 'Nuff said. :) I've never had the oppotunity to live in one for even a couple of days, but I think I'd rather have one than not. I'll look the book up - thanks for the info. Later, Tom |
Got some nice boating-related posts for us, fellas? Yep - see below. |
Go with the smallest compass. Your GPS duplicates most of your compass functions. I have just the small standard compass on my Parker, and I carry a small bearing compass in my waterproof box. True but I still have a habit of following a heading and the eyes aren't what they used to be. :-) My main concern will be stability - I hate a compass that swings while underway. Nice rig, by the way. SeaPro makes some good value boats. Thanks - we looked at a bunch of brands at the boat show and Sea Pro seemed to offer more of the features we wanted at the best price. A test ride was comforting - nice ride in pretty good chop and no spray - even quartering into the wind (but I'm sure I'll soon find a combination to get us soaked). |
Now, on to something that I find curious. Why the jackplate on a 21 foot bay boat? I have a 20 foot 200 C Ranger http://www.swsports.org/images/Ranger.JPG Good looking rig that has a good running solid performing FICHT which had a jackplate on it when I purchased it. I got rid of it after about a month - totally useless.. If you are looking for shallow water operations, that's that the trolling motor is for - in particular if you have the 24 volt. You probably had a jackplate on that Cajun and that's probably useful in that application, but on a bay boat? The bay where we bought our place is very shallow and most boats use hydraulic jack plates to raise the engine to motor out of shallows and get on plane without digging so much mud. Once on plane you can lower the engine back to running depth. Supposedly this boat will get on plane in about 18 - 20" of water - jack plate and trim tabs are supposed to reduce that by 4-6" - we'll soon see if that's true. Never had one on the Cajun nor needed it. Toledo Bend is a pretty deep lake for the most part and a set depth worked fine for me. I guess you could optimize your speed but it went plenty fast for me. And while I'm on the subject, don't buy a Motoguide Great White series trolling motor. Mercury does not support Motoguide in any sense of the word, they violate warranty terms and the new digital control boards are prone to fail - it's a horrible design. Almost as bad as the older switched design. Buy a MinnKota Riptide series instead. Glad to know that - I'll keep that in mind when I get ready. Nice boat though. Thanks - looking forward to getting it wet. Later, Tom |
JimH wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... Hurtwit wrote: Do you have to fight with everyone Chuck? **************************************** What fight? I simply marveled that we would have two guys named Bill Kiene in rec.boats. One of them condemns political posting on the same day the other one makes disparaging remarks about liberal democrats elsewhere on the site. How is that a fight? Check it out..it's a fact. Obviously we have two Bill Kiene's, or a flip flopping hypocrite that would put a lot of others to shame. I prefer to believe, as I posted, that there are two of them. That's not a fight. I only fight with a guy who spent his first 6-8 months posting under the name Dennis Compton, and being so obnoxious that 90% of the group was ticked off at that person for his behavior. When the prick had his fill of annoying everybody, he then posted that he had been lying all along, he didn't really own a boat, and that he was a graduate student at some college someplace where he had been assigned, (as a class project), to get on usenet, be disruptive as hell, and make notes about the reactions of his unwitting subjects. Of course, the second lie was the actual lie......no college course, no graduate student, just a frustrated old middle aged failure with some emotional issues and a Bayliner for sale. Not all that long ago, the same guy posted that the only reason he frequents rec.boats is to have fun by stirring up trouble, and that he reserves his extensive knowledge about boating, (never in evidence here), for the "real" boating groups he frequents when he's not stirring up trouble in rec.boats. Funny thing is, I'd ignore the loser completely if he didn't follow me around like a goofy little puppy dog. He has some sick emotional need to get abused every day, and we liberals do believe in helping the needy. :-) If you run into this guy someplace, tell him what I said. Thanks. Looks like it is about time for you to pick up you bat and ball and run home to mommy.......you know, take a break from the NG like you did a year or so ago when you started showing the same freaking signs of losing control of yourself. Give it a try Chucky....you are about ready to lose it completely. Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT thread to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles. You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do yourself & us a favour hey??? I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total boating incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-) K & the Krause lie of the day is ???? So I hate to dwell on the Hatt 43 (well OK I don't really "hate" it:-)) but in a hurry & this only takes a second, the arguments over the Hatt went on for ages, fake photo being posted the "sudden" disposal when a couple of NG people were about to expose him, then eventually just to absolutely confirm it was nothing but a liar's BS like all his other "boating" claims his only answer was he "chose" not to post a real pic. The lowest of the low liars is our own Krause;-) The photo was genuine. I certainly can "provide" a photo of what you refer to as "get home." But, as I responded previously, I choose not to do so. |
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Do you have a modified nosecone on that new outboard? Have you checked Bob's Machine Shop? Nope - but that looks interesting. I'll keep these in mind if I have a pick up problem. |
The Ranger won't do that. I need at least a couple of feet. That may be due to the set back design of the transom. We'll see if this one will. Promises and facts aren't always the same. I'd still be very wary of trying to run a boat at speed in that kind of water. You think running aground at 60 mph could be a problem?? :-) As to getting wet - trust me, you will get wet in these type boats. It's a fact of life that bay boat producers don't want to admit. :) No doubt. My Mako was pretty dry but I found several combinations of wind/waves that managed to soak me. Doubt there's a boat made that won't get you wet at some time - I had a friend on an aircraft carrier who claimed they took spray over the bow in a bad storm. Have fun. Let us know how that jack plate deal works out. Will do - if they ever finish the boat. :-) Later, Tom |
My friend Karen wrote:
Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT thread to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles. You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do yourself & us a favour hey??? I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total boating incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-) K ********* Oh heck. Here I was thinking about taking another sabbatical, but you and your fellow poison pen, (Hurtwit the Hypocrite) have now made that impossible. As you are both ordering me out of the group, I guess I better stick around rather than appear to comply with your demands. I'll see if I can increase my product reviews, etc, just especially for you. :-) You criticize my contributions. I'll proudly compare them to yours or Hurtwit the Hypocrite's any day. When was the last time you posted anything that was not a long personal attack, on somebody, disguised as a disagreement about a technical point? Hurtwit the Hypocrite at least has the integrity to avoid any pretense that he is capable of discussing boats or boating, or that he is here to do anything except behave in a destructive manner,,,,(and has admitted the same). You're a joke, Smith. A very sick joke. You can't make a post about anyting without turning 2/3 of it into a harangue on Harry Krause- and then you have the balls (you probably do) to complain that people post OT. When was the last time you contributed anything to the group except spite, insult, and bile? How many years, and years, and years has it been? |
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Well, I wouldn't run the way you're planning without a "Bob's". Outboards are awfully expensive, and even a brief period of improper cooling might turn your new motor into slag. Don't forget to change your impeller once a season, too. Running in those shallows means you'll be sucking up sand. Agreed - I had them install a water pressure gauge just for that reason. I always changed the impeller, plugs and wheel bearings once a year - even when only fishing offshore. |
John,
Boating articles might pretend to compare boats, but they really are just a vehicle to sell advertising. You will never find a reviewer who will give you a real comparison between boats. "John H" wrote in message ... On 8 Feb 2005 09:41:30 -0800, wrote: My friend Karen wrote: Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT thread to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles. You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do yourself & us a favour hey??? I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total boating incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-) K ********* Oh heck. Here I was thinking about taking another sabbatical, but you and your fellow poison pen, (Hurtwit the Hypocrite) have now made that impossible. As you are both ordering me out of the group, I guess I better stick around rather than appear to comply with your demands. I'll see if I can increase my product reviews, etc, just especially for you. :-) You criticize my contributions. I'll proudly compare them to yours or Hurtwit the Hypocrite's any day. When was the last time you posted anything that was not a long personal attack, on somebody, disguised as a disagreement about a technical point? Hurtwit the Hypocrite at least has the integrity to avoid any pretense that he is capable of discussing boats or boating, or that he is here to do anything except behave in a destructive manner,,,,(and has admitted the same). You're a joke, Smith. A very sick joke. You can't make a post about anyting without turning 2/3 of it into a harangue on Harry Krause- and then you have the balls (you probably do) to complain that people post OT. When was the last time you contributed anything to the group except spite, insult, and bile? How many years, and years, and years has it been? Chuck, how would you rate the 260 Defiance against a 26' Osprey or a 27' Sea Sport? (Or the 24' Sea Sport, for that matter.) John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
"Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" wrote in message ... John, Boating articles might pretend to compare boats, but they really are just a vehicle to sell advertising. You will never find a reviewer who will give you a real comparison between boats. Nor an honest appraisal of the boat being reviewed. |
Doc,
Try Powerboat Reports. No advertisement. www.powerboat-reports.com Paul Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD wrote: John, Boating articles might pretend to compare boats, but they really are just a vehicle to sell advertising. You will never find a reviewer who will give you a real comparison between boats. "John H" wrote in message ... On 8 Feb 2005 09:41:30 -0800, wrote: My friend Karen wrote: Yep I agree; sod off Chuckster:-) You've even spun this anti OT thread to politics you sad sack of rotting barnacles. You only make OT posts or deceptive marketing spam anyway so do yourself & us a favour hey??? I notice you couldn't choose between admitting you're a total boating incompetent or just bent; so hey you chose both!!!:-) K ********* Oh heck. Here I was thinking about taking another sabbatical, but you and your fellow poison pen, (Hurtwit the Hypocrite) have now made that impossible. As you are both ordering me out of the group, I guess I better stick around rather than appear to comply with your demands. I'll see if I can increase my product reviews, etc, just especially for you. :-) You criticize my contributions. I'll proudly compare them to yours or Hurtwit the Hypocrite's any day. When was the last time you posted anything that was not a long personal attack, on somebody, disguised as a disagreement about a technical point? Hurtwit the Hypocrite at least has the integrity to avoid any pretense that he is capable of discussing boats or boating, or that he is here to do anything except behave in a destructive manner,,,,(and has admitted the same). You're a joke, Smith. A very sick joke. You can't make a post about anyting without turning 2/3 of it into a harangue on Harry Krause- and then you have the balls (you probably do) to complain that people post OT. When was the last time you contributed anything to the group except spite, insult, and bile? How many years, and years, and years has it been? Chuck, how would you rate the 260 Defiance against a 26' Osprey or a 27' Sea Sport? (Or the 24' Sea Sport, for that matter.) John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
They will give you an honest appraisal of everything they liked, they just
will never say anything negative about a boat, even when there are many negatives. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD" wrote in message ... John, Boating articles might pretend to compare boats, but they really are just a vehicle to sell advertising. You will never find a reviewer who will give you a real comparison between boats. Nor an honest appraisal of the boat being reviewed. |
Thanks for redirecting, Scott.
Tell us more about why you picked the electronics you did, what the decisionmaking process was, and how you integrated it. What TV do you have, and sound system to take advantage of the XM, etc... Is the Tracvision completely hassle free? Thanks! Randy Quote:
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Chuck, how would you rate the 260 Defiance against a 26' Osprey or a
27' Sea Sport? (Or the 24' Sea Sport, for that matter.) **************************** I wouldn't. To make an accurate comparison you'd need to do a side-by side test on the same day, under the same conditions, and rigged with similar or identical engines. The most significant portion of a comparison that is extremely subjective, (therefore subject to a variety of personal opinions), is the degree of satisfaction with performance and handling and the "feel" of the boat underway. Other subjective things are ergonomics, overall appearance, etc....and reasonable people will come to different conclusions, (explaining why so many different brands of boats sell well). Most of the objective differences will be outlined in the factory specs. As far as the subjective impressions and opinions go, consider me like Faux News, John. I report- you decide. :-) |
That is a great answer. That way you will never **** out any advertisers.
wrote in message ups.com... Chuck, how would you rate the 260 Defiance against a 26' Osprey or a 27' Sea Sport? (Or the 24' Sea Sport, for that matter.) **************************** I wouldn't. To make an accurate comparison you'd need to do a side-by side test on the same day, under the same conditions, and rigged with similar or identical engines. The most significant portion of a comparison that is extremely subjective, (therefore subject to a variety of personal opinions), is the degree of satisfaction with performance and handling and the "feel" of the boat underway. Other subjective things are ergonomics, overall appearance, etc....and reasonable people will come to different conclusions, (explaining why so many different brands of boats sell well). Most of the objective differences will be outlined in the factory specs. As far as the subjective impressions and opinions go, consider me like Faux News, John. I report- you decide. :-) |
On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:32:05 -0500, "Dr. Karen Grear MD, PHD"
wrote: That is a great answer. That way you will never **** out any advertisers. **** out??? |
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