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I was going to write my autobiography, but couldn't thing of enough nice
adjectives to list...... I'll get back to you!

Butch Ammon wrote in message
...
Oh, uh huh, I see... I'm not included :( Well, I can blame myself,
because
once or twice I've been known to say "you all pi$$ me off, I'm going
elsewhere"
- but then a few weeks later, I come back here.

Anyway I like your analogies. They are right on target! Hehehee... This
is
mine (feel free to modify it, rewrite it as needed):

Butch Ammon: Fresh water boater using his dad's old 70's trihull. Has
knowledge of small boating (jon boats and smaller pond boats), and even
the old
5hp Johnson Sea Horse OB's. Ocean boating experience is limited to
learning to
pilot a USCG 41' UTB off the coast of Cape May, NJ in 1979!
Rec.boats: Has been somewhat active since May 1999 when he picked up his
dad's
old 17' trihull and started using it. Posts some off-topic threads, joins
in
fun and general banter, but when it things get heated and into a flame
war, he
backs down and feels "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say
anything at all".
Political: Republican but known to like "some" democrats (Zell Miller,
etc..).
Religion: Presbyterian (very laid back, has been spotted in church on
occasion
and the roof didn't collapse!)
Sports: Die-hard Buffalo Bills football fan. Plays golf when not boating.
Tries hard to beat best round of 84. Goes freshwater fishing on Lake
Anna, VA
and in the fall/winter goes hunting with friends.
Music: appreciates all varieties of music except rap and hip-hop. Wide
variety
of taste from Metallica to Tony Bennett.

How's that sound?

Butch Ammon

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On 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of
them
extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating
experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said "I
come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating
newsgroups".

jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of George
Bush
and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is justified
because of the ready audience he finds in the NG.
A source of much of the OT material in the NG.

Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard
in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the
group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the marine
business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she has
decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the evil
enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames can
continue undiminished.

NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a participant in a
few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He is the
counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable to
George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the most
extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads.

Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is two
lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as far as
the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative, adversarial
atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to
respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails to
present as such in this format.

Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I hereby
adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days
(leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my
fellow trouble makers to do the same.

If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if any of
the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and whether
the group improves in tone or content as a result.

(There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I won't be
around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to get
"even", send me an e-mail. Thanks)


Well, there will go at least half of my posts! Good post, Chuck. You
have yet to **** me off, so I must not be a conservative!


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven,
it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general
chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals
and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or
loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends
and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure.
His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A
major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of
seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities,
both of
them
extremely combative.

Pot-kettle-black

Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with.


Actually Chuck, to the contrary, I point out those left wingers who insult
those they are responding to instead of addressing the issues at hand.
Please point me to the cheap insults I fire off at people I disagree with.


Has very little actual boating experience,

LOL! 25+ years is certainly not "very little".

Glad you were honest about yourself. Add bb and Doug Kanter to the list
also. ;-)

See you around in 3 months Chuck.

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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:15:08 -0500, John H
wrote:

Well, there will go at least half of my posts! Good post, Chuck. You
have yet to **** me off, so I must not be a conservative!

================================================== ====

Chuck is a good example of someone who can disagree without being
disagreeable.

It's an art that others here should strive to perfect, on topic or
off.

Ot: Rec.boats alum pizzes off all of New Zealand!
 

Bertie was kind of humorous when he first starting yipping after JAX
but that got old very quickly and they both ended up in the bozo bin.

================================================== ===


On 13 Jan 2004 01:59:15 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Laughed when I came across this.
The same guy has trolled through here.

Offensive intruder poisons chat lines

12.01.2001
By MICHAEL FOREMAN
Local internet service providers may consider blocking an American from taking
part in online discussions following one of the worst cases of "flaming" seen
in this country.

A mysterious figure calling himself "Bertie the Bunyip" has upset local Usenet
newsgroups after a bizarre campaign that has included posting fake photographs
of a topless Queen Mother.

If someone burst into a cafe or pub and started yelling obscenities and abusing
everyone in sight, you might expect the manager to throw them out or call the
police.

But neither of these remedies is available to the newsgroup users, who are
desperate to rid themselves of what is known on the internet as a "troll."

Trolls get their kicks from baiting other people using online discussion
forums.

"Bertie the Bunyip" is believed to be a commercial pilot living in the United
States.

He claims to have been similarly hounding newsgroups in the United States for
three years, despite complaints to the FBI and a libel action against him.

After local users unwisely responded to his taunts, the Bunyip's replies soon
spread to the nz.comp and nz.politics newsgroups.

New Zealand politicians - including some ministers - are believed to use the
politics group.

In the past few days, the American has paralysed the most popular of the local
forums, nz.general, which is read by up to 50,000 people.

Bunyip's antics have prompted some users to stop using the newsgroups.

Bunyip changes his identity characteristics every 30 or 40 posts, so it is
difficult to check him using e-mail or newsreader software blocked senders'
lists.

David Farrar, a newsgroup user and information technology adviser to National
Party leader Jenny Shipley, described the "flame" war as the worst outbreak of
its kind he had seen on New Zealand discussion groups.

Applying sanctions against Usenet users could be extremely difficult, said Mr
Farrar.

Bunyip has been using a Seattle-based newsgroup service called Altopia, which
has a liberal policy on what it will allow.

"One of the problems of newsgroups is that they are about as close to anarchy
as anything can get," he said.

"If you get a person going rogue, as this Bertie the Bunyip has, you would
normally complain to their internet service provider.

"Unless it is causing actual harm, they don't see it as their job to police
it."

Xtra systems support specialist Richard Stevenson said he could easily filter
the messages from Xtra's news server - one of several providing Usenet feeds in
New Zealand.

But he would not decide to do so himself.

Mr Stevenson said he had not yet had to remove individual posts but had
occasionally, at the request of the Department of Internal Affairs, blocked
newsgroups that were related to child pornography.

He was not concerned about Bunyip's rights to freedom of speech.

"He's got to get it into his skull that [news servers] are private property."

Mr Farrar believed that if Bunyip persisted for more than a couple of weeks,
local internet service providers might agree to remove him from New Zealand
servers.

But it was more likely that Bunyip would disappear quite quickly if ignored.

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"Jim--" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it
improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While
the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven,
it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order),
are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general
chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals
and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or
loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends
and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure.
His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A
major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of
seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities,
both of
them
extremely combative.

Pot-kettle-black

Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with.


Actually Chuck, to the contrary, I point out those left wingers who
insult
those they are responding to instead of addressing the issues at hand.
Please point me to the cheap insults I fire off at people I disagree with.


Has very little actual boating experience,

LOL! 25+ years is certainly not "very little".

Glad you were honest about yourself. Add bb and Doug Kanter to the list
also. ;-)

See you around in 3 months Chuck.



BTW: I will take your challenge, provided you, harry krause, basskisser,
bb, jps and doug kanter do the same. ;-)

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On 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven, it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order), are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure. His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities, both of
them
extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating
experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said "I
come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real boating
newsgroups".

jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of George
Bush
and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is justified
because of the ready audience he finds in the NG.
A source of much of the OT material in the NG.

Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard
in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When the
group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the marine
business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she has
decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the evil
enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames can
continue undiminished.

NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a participant in a
few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He is the
counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable to
George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the most
extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads.

Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is two
lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as far as
the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative, adversarial
atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to
respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails to
present as such in this format.

Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I hereby
adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days
(leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge my
fellow trouble makers to do the same.

If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if any of
the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and whether
the group improves in tone or content as a result.

(There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I won't be
around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to get
"even", send me an e-mail. Thanks)



Geeze, I'm hurt. I didn't make the cut ;-). Maybe I need to post more?


Dave

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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On 13 Jan 2004 17:20:22 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

The "Gang of Seven" should go to jail for 90-days, and see if it improves
rec.boats.
There are seven personalities here causing most of the trouble. While the
number of people involved in the general ruckus certainly exceeds seven,
it is
my opinion that the following posters, (listed in alphabetical order),
are
primarily responsible for the increasingly nasty tone and OT content of
rec.boats. Others not listed below are merely co-dependent:


Gould0738: May know a little about boats, but contributes to general
chaos.
Starts few OT threads, but participates freely. Encourages the liberals
and p's
off the conservatives. He can be extremely vindictive. Seldom wins or
loses
graciously. This reckless, maverick, self centered personality bends
and/or
disregards most rules that others rely on to establish social structure.
His
free-for-all attitudes are generally incompatible with the NG format.

Harry Krause: A perpetual troublemaker who views rec.boats as a personal
playground. Talks "down" to everybody even when not trying to do so. A
major
originator of OT posts. In common with the other members of the gang of
seven,
he puts his own need to express opinions and
argue points above the general welfare of the group.

Jim: Has appeared in rec.boats as at least two separate personalities,
both of
them
extremely combative. Contributes to the negative atmosphere by firing off
cheap
insults at posters he disagrees with. Has very little actual boating
experience, and virtually never contributes anything on topic. Once said
"I
come to rec.boats just to stir up trouble. I go elsewhere for real
boating
newsgroups".

jps: A relentless cutter-and-paster of newspaper articles critical of
George
Bush
and the right wing in general. Possibly feels that his behavior is
justified
because of the ready audience he finds in the NG.
A source of much of the OT material in the NG.

Karen Smith: owns all or part of a boatyard
in Australia. Visits rec.boats primarily to argue and call names. When
the
group was more on-topic, she demonized everyone (else) involved in the
marine
business. Now that the group has devolved to more off-topic material, she
has
decided that she's really a displaced American conservative (and that the
evil
enemies are all the liberals in the world), so the names and the flames
can
continue undiminished.

NOYB: A fledgling dentist from Naples, FLA, who is listed as a
participant in a
few dozen newsgroups. Not sure he owns a boat. Never posts on topic. He
is the
counter-point to jps, cutting and pasting general news articles favorable
to
George Bush and the right wing in general. Most honest, and likely the
most
extreme of all rec.boats conservatives. A major author of OT threads.

Wally: A lesser version of the Jim/Dennis Compton profile.Typical post is
two
lines of insulting response to an OT comment. Contributes very little as
far as
the nominal topic goes, but adds significantly to the combative,
adversarial
atmosphere in the NG. Unable to engage in civil debate. Has no ability to
respect contrasting opinion. He may well be fairly intelligent, but fails
to
present as such in this format.

Anyhow, I think this is such a good idea and holds such promise that I
hereby
adopt it. I'm out of here for at least 90-days
(leaving you all with a gang of only six) and by my example I challenge
my
fellow trouble makers to do the same.

If I check back at the end of that time it will be interesting to see if
any of
the other trouble makers agreed with my suggestion for a time out, and
whether
the group improves in tone or content as a result.

(There will be very little point in flaming my comments above......I
won't be
around to read your remarks. If you're included in my list and need to
get
"even", send me an e-mail. Thanks)



Geeze, I'm hurt. I didn't make the cut ;-). Maybe I need to post more?


Dave

Don't feel bad. I really don't post here a lot compared to the others. I
guess am on the list as Chuck generally does not like me....you see, I am
always proving him wrong. ;-)

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"Lee Yeaton" wrote in message
...
Why don't we just start a new group ourselves. Instead of doing it on
Usenet we could do it on the Internet.


Well, you could always start up a Yahoo Group.

Rod

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Geeze, I'm hurt. I didn't make the cut ;-). Maybe I need to post more?


Dave


I'm not sure. I think Chuck's original post was along the lines of "Who's the
biggest a**hole on rec.boats? - take a vote". The winner gets to take his
buddies with him and be banished for 90 days.

Butch Ammon