Resume safe speed sign?
 

Would people understand if I had a sign on my boat that said resume safe speed?
I was thinking something like the "resume safe normal operation" done with
green graphics.
I go slow a lot and my neighbors like to go fast. It seems that when they pass
me they always give me a "courtesy slow down" which puts them in a plow and
rolls me. Waving them on doesn't help. How do you say, "Maintain your plane"?
Actually I think if it got common, a simple flag would work. Maybe a green
circle on a white field?
There are some folks who do know about boats and pass at speed but they are not
the rule..

Subject: Resume safe speed sign?
From: (Greg)

Would people understand if I had a sign on my boat that said resume safe
speed?
I was thinking something like the "resume safe normal operation" done with
green graphics.
I go slow a lot and my neighbors like to go fast. It seems that when they
pass
me they always give me a "courtesy slow down" which puts them in a plow and
rolls me. Waving them on doesn't help. How do you say, "Maintain your plane"?
Actually I think if it got common, a simple flag would work. Maybe a green
circle on a white field?
There are some folks who do know about boats and pass at speed but they are
not
the rule..

I take it using the radio doesn't work. So I guess making a flag/sign of some
kind might. But I think you'd have to spell it out for them.

Because you've got to be the first person I've seen who's trying to get people
to speed up as they go passed them. :-)

Capt. Bill

On 04 Feb 2005 05:46:19 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

There are some folks who do know about boats and pass at speed but they are not
the rule..

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Be careful what you ask for because there are quite a few boats out
there that you really don't want passing at speed. If you want to be
passed with minimal wake, slow waaaay down, almost to a crawl before
the faster boat overtakes you. That way someone can go by you in a
reasonable length of time at "no wake speed" which is typically 6 to 7
knots for a larger boat.

If you continue to go 6 to 9 knots yourself, the faster boat has no
alternative but to follow, or throw a large wake. A heavy 50 footer
leaves very little wake at 7 knots, but 3 feet plus at 10 knots.

Be careful what you ask for because there are quite a few boats out
there that you really don't want passing at speed.

The boater is still responsible for his wake. The point is the wake is
generally lower on plane than it will be at the "courtesy" speed these folks
choose.


If you want to be
passed with minimal wake, slow waaaay down, almost to a crawl before
the faster boat overtakes you

There are lots of cases where I am stopped.



A heavy 50 footer
leaves very little wake at 7 knots, but 3 feet plus at 10 knots.

The 50 footers are not the problem. It is usually a 18' bow rider that rocks me
by passing at the worst possible speed.

On 05 Feb 2005 04:51:24 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

Be careful what you ask for because there are quite a few boats out
there that you really don't want passing at speed.

The boater is still responsible for his wake. The point is the wake is
generally lower on plane than it will be at the "courtesy" speed these folks
choose.

If you want to be
passed with minimal wake, slow waaaay down, almost to a crawl before
the faster boat overtakes you

There are lots of cases where I am stopped.

A heavy 50 footer
leaves very little wake at 7 knots, but 3 feet plus at 10 knots.

The 50 footers are not the problem. It is usually a 18' bow rider that rocks me
by passing at the worst possible speed.

How big is your boat?

Later,

Tom

The 50 footers are not the problem. It is usually a 18' bow rider that rocks
me
by passing at the worst possible speed.

How big is your boat?

20' Harris.

On 06 Feb 2005 03:31:34 GMT, (Greg) wrote:



The 50 footers are not the problem. It is usually a 18' bow rider that rocks
me
by passing at the worst possible speed.

How big is your boat?

20' Harris.

I can see your problem. A pontoon boat in that situation can be a
little twitchy.

I'm not sure a sign is going to do you much good.

Later,

Tom

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:17:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
How big is your boat?

20' Harris.

I can see your problem. A pontoon boat in that situation can be a
little twitchy.

I'm not sure a sign is going to do you much good.

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Not at all. Be glad you don't have to contend with 50 ft sportfish or
motor yachts with tsunami sized wakes.

Not at all. Be glad you don't have to contend with 50 ft sportfish or
motor yachts with tsunami sized wakes.

Most of the time I am in ~3' of water. I doubt those motor yachts will be that
big a problem.

On 04 Feb 2005 05:46:19 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

Would people understand if I had a sign on my boat that said resume safe speed?
I was thinking something like the "resume safe normal operation" done with
green graphics.
I go slow a lot and my neighbors like to go fast. It seems that when they pass
me they always give me a "courtesy slow down" which puts them in a plow and
rolls me. Waving them on doesn't help. How do you say, "Maintain your plane"?
Actually I think if it got common, a simple flag would work. Maybe a green
circle on a white field?
There are some folks who do know about boats and pass at speed but they are not
the rule..

I am a senior memeber of the USCG Safety Team. I will address your
concerns next week at our next meeting in DC.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:39:57 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:17:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
How big is your boat?

20' Harris.

I can see your problem. A pontoon boat in that situation can be a
little twitchy.

I'm not sure a sign is going to do you much good.

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Not at all. Be glad you don't have to contend with 50 ft sportfish or
motor yachts with tsunami sized wakes.

I have, with no exaggeration, launched my Ranger completely out of the
water hitting a wake from a Hatteras that snuck up on me - I didn't
see it coming.

Damned things should be banned.

Unless, of course, I eventually own one.

Then everybody else WATCH OUT!!! :)

Later,

Tom

In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:


On 04 Feb 2005 05:46:19 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

There are some folks who do know about boats and pass at speed but
they are not
the rule..

====================================

Be careful what you ask for because there are quite a few boats out
there that you really don't want passing at speed. If you want to be
passed with minimal wake, slow waaaay down, almost to a crawl before
the faster boat overtakes you. That way someone can go by you in a
reasonable length of time at "no wake speed" which is typically 6 to 7
knots for a larger boat.

If you continue to go 6 to 9 knots yourself, the faster boat has no
alternative but to follow, or throw a large wake. A heavy 50 footer
leaves very little wake at 7 knots, but 3 feet plus at 10 knots.

Yep. I leave almost no wake at ~6kts (idle), but if you force me to run
at 10kts to pass by you, you're definitely not going to like it.

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In article ,
Wayne.B wrote:


On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:17:19 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:
How big is your boat?

20' Harris.

I can see your problem. A pontoon boat in that situation can be a
little twitchy.

I'm not sure a sign is going to do you much good.

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Not at all. Be glad you don't have to contend with 50 ft sportfish or
motor yachts with tsunami sized wakes.

If HE slows down to idle in the pontoon, he'll be making 2-3 kts. I'd be
making 6, which means I can pass him at a reasonable clip and be on my way.

If he tries to get cute and runs at 8-9 kts though, he's then forcing me to
go by him either fully on plane (which he doesn't want) or worse, "in the
hole" (which he REALLY doesn't want)

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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 01:57:54 GMT, (Karl
Denninger) wrote:

Yep. I leave almost no wake at ~6kts (idle), but if you force me to run
at 10kts to pass by you, you're definitely not going to like it.

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Most people with no experience on larger boats just don't seem to get
it.

If HE slows down to idle in the pontoon, he'll be making 2-3 kts. I'd be
making 6, which means I can pass him at a reasonable clip and be on my way.


You folks still don't get it. I want them to stay up on plane and "maintain
normal speed" Is that a better way to put it?

On 09 Feb 2005 05:01:09 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

If HE slows down to idle in the pontoon, he'll be making 2-3 kts. I'd be
making 6, which means I can pass him at a reasonable clip and be on my way.


You folks still don't get it. I want them to stay up on plane and "maintain
normal speed" Is that a better way to put it?

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We get it but the remedy you are proposing only works for smallish,
light weight boats on a fast plane. If a heavy boat like a sportfish
or motor yacht goes by you on plane, you will think a tsunami has
arrived. The point that Karl and I were making is that if you want a
large heavy boat to go by you with out leaving a wake, you need to
sloooow way down before they arrive. If I see a small boat ahead of
me slow down, I will go to idle speed and drop my wake to near zero.
If the boat ahead persists at moving at or near my idle speed however,
then I can only pass leaving a good sized wake.

If I see a large motor yacht in the Estero River there WAS a tsunami and it
washed in from the gulf ;-)

I am just trying to get folks to relax and go by at their normal speed. The
"courtesy slowdown" is always a plow.

On 09 Feb 2005 05:01:09 GMT, (Greg) wrote:


If HE slows down to idle in the pontoon, he'll be making 2-3 kts. I'd be
making 6, which means I can pass him at a reasonable clip and be on my way.


You folks still don't get it. I want them to stay up on plane and "maintain
normal speed" Is that a better way to put it?

What you are asking for is counter intuitive.

I don't know any other way to put it. And even if you had a sign in
flashing neon letters says "Continue at speed", it wound' do any good
because nobody would understand it.

Later,

Tom