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"hkrause" wrote in message news:1107744171.2cdccfc95906c5085a5f8a41584a73fb@t eranews... Swizzle wrote: OK Harry - with all that experience at the helm....lets see some stories for our webiste! Regards, Rob You apparently didn't know we currently are plagued with a couple of real losers in this newsgroup who have no lives of their own and try to live vicariously by pretending they are me by engaging in identity theft. Good luck. My wife had a "real" case of identity theft (false id, stolen credit card, false internet auction house accounts, international sales of stolen goods), and we had to jump through a million and one hoops to even find a branch of law enforcement that would take the time to fill out a report. With the help of the site administrator of some obscure mom-and-pop auction house in California, I was able to trace the thief's email to South Carolina. With a little more digging around, I discovered that he was selling a stolen motorcycle (had a local officer run the VIN). I presented the info to local law enforcement, and they handed me off to the FBI. The FBI said they weren't the ones to deal with it, and said to contact the FTC. The FTC has no real police powers. They shuffled me to the Electronic Crimes division of the Secret Service. I spoke for about 25 minutes with a Secret Service agent in Miami, who took all of the info. He said that they'd subpoena AOL, Ebay, and a number of auction houses with which the thief had registered. The agent also said they'd send an agent from South Carolina and try to nab the thief selling the motorcycle. I don't know how it all turned out, because I never heard back from the agent in Miami. The bottom line... You don't stand a snowball's chance in hell in prosecuting someone who logged onto a newsgroup under your name. You *might* get the person's internet provider to send him a warning, or maybe even cancel his account...but don't count on that either. Law enforcement is too busy with *real* crime to give a rat's ass about some guy logging into Usenet under a false name. I guess you could get an attorney and sue. But then again, what are the "damages"? |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:39:13 -0500, "NOYB" wrote:
~~ snippage ~~ The bottom line... You don't stand a snowball's chance in hell in prosecuting someone who logged onto a newsgroup under your name. You *might* get the person's internet provider to send him a warning, or maybe even cancel his account...but don't count on that either. Law enforcement is too busy with *real* crime to give a rat's ass about some guy logging into Usenet under a false name. I guess you could get an attorney and sue. But then again, what are the "damages"? The real bottom line is that I can log on to Usenet as anybody I want - has nothing to do with identity theft. And there is really nothing Harry can do about it. Harry is a writer for some kind of Union deal if I'm not mistaken, or a PR person - whatever, the point is that he is a public personality and subject to laws regarding "satire". You could also say that he is a public personality by his participation on Usenet by espousing his political philosophy (which would be true of me, NYOB or anybody else). More to the point, nothing in his name was particularly egregious. Don Rickles made his living for many, many years doing much the same kind of humor. Harry would also have a hard time proving any harm from all this. He can certainly pursue legal action, but a competent civil attorney will tell him that he's standing on legal quicksand. As to header information and what not, that can be spoofed and it would take more time than Road Runner would want to spend tracing it back. If the spoofer wants to fight it, he can and have more legal standing that the spoofie. Usenet is a ******* child of the WWW and most providers would just as soon it go away. It used to be more a function of Usenet etiquette - thou should never use another's nick. It's just an unwritten rule. In short, Harry will probably have to just sit there and take it for a while. They usually stop after a while and things settle down. Harry did make himself a target - it was destined to happen eventually. That is not a defense of the perpetrator - just a fact. Later, Tom |
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 00:39:13 -0500, "NOYB" wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ The bottom line... You don't stand a snowball's chance in hell in prosecuting someone who logged onto a newsgroup under your name. You *might* get the person's internet provider to send him a warning, or maybe even cancel his account...but don't count on that either. Law enforcement is too busy with *real* crime to give a rat's ass about some guy logging into Usenet under a false name. I guess you could get an attorney and sue. But then again, what are the "damages"? The real bottom line is that I can log on to Usenet as anybody I want - has nothing to do with identity theft. And there is really nothing Harry can do about it. Harry is a writer for some kind of Union deal if I'm not mistaken, or a PR person - whatever, the point is that he is a public personality and subject to laws regarding "satire". You could also say that he is a public personality by his participation on Usenet by espousing his political philosophy (which would be true of me, NYOB or anybody else). More to the point, nothing in his name was particularly egregious. Don Rickles made his living for many, many years doing much the same kind of humor. Harry would also have a hard time proving any harm from all this. He can certainly pursue legal action, but a competent civil attorney will tell him that he's standing on legal quicksand. As to header information and what not, that can be spoofed and it would take more time than Road Runner would want to spend tracing it back. If the spoofer wants to fight it, he can and have more legal standing that the spoofie. Usenet is a ******* child of the WWW and most providers would just as soon it go away. It used to be more a function of Usenet etiquette - thou should never use another's nick. It's just an unwritten rule. In short, Harry will probably have to just sit there and take it for a while. They usually stop after a while and things settle down. Harry did make himself a target - it was destined to happen eventually. That is not a defense of the perpetrator - just a fact. Later, Tom And of course harry never said a peep when his butt buddy asslicker was doing the same to me. |
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P.Fritz wrote: And of course harry never said a peep when his butt buddy asslicker was doing the same to me. Probably because you don't have the mental capacity to post like an adult. With your childish name calling, how in the world could you expect anybody to think that you are credible? Hell, Paul, even if you take a look at your posts in the various support groups you frequent, even those that are pathetically unable to cope with divorce, or raise a child without support don't like you! |
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NOYB wrote: "hkrause" wrote in message news:1107744171.2cdccfc95906c5085a5f8a41584a73fb@t eranews... Swizzle wrote: OK Harry - with all that experience at the helm....lets see some stories for our webiste! Regards, Rob You apparently didn't know we currently are plagued with a couple of real losers in this newsgroup who have no lives of their own and try to live vicariously by pretending they are me by engaging in identity theft. Good luck. My wife had a "real" case of identity theft (false id, stolen credit card, false internet auction house accounts, international sales of stolen goods), and we had to jump through a million and one hoops to even find a branch of law enforcement that would take the time to fill out a report. With the help of the site administrator of some obscure mom-and-pop auction house in California, I was able to trace the thief's email to South Carolina. With a little more digging around, I discovered that he was selling a stolen motorcycle (had a local officer run the VIN). I presented the info to local law enforcement, and they handed me off to the FBI. The FBI said they weren't the ones to deal with it, and said to contact the FTC. The FTC has no real police powers. They shuffled me to the Electronic Crimes division of the Secret Service. I spoke for about 25 minutes with a Secret Service agent in Miami, who took all of the info. He said that they'd subpoena AOL, Ebay, and a number of auction houses with which the thief had registered. The agent also said they'd send an agent from South Carolina and try to nab the thief selling the motorcycle. I don't know how it all turned out, because I never heard back from the agent in Miami. The bottom line... You don't stand a snowball's chance in hell in prosecuting someone who logged onto a newsgroup under your name. You *might* get the person's internet provider to send him a warning, or maybe even cancel his account...but don't count on that either. Law enforcement is too busy with *real* crime to give a rat's ass about some guy logging into Usenet under a false name. I guess you could get an attorney and sue. But then again, what are the "damages"? Wow, I wouldn't think anything like that could happen in Naples, FL. I'd think, because Naples is Nirvana, that crime doesn't exist there, and there would be special safeguards given only to the people of Naples, and not known anywhere else in the world. |
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