Late 90's non FICHT OMC
 

I've read a lot in this newsgroup about engines with FICHT technology.
Seems likeI've only seen the label on Evinrudes.
I won't go any where near a 98-99-2000 Evinrude.
Was FICHT also used in Johnsons?
I'm looking at a Proline 251 on Ebay. The engine is a '99 Johnson 200 Ocean
Pro.
The engine is a dark gray/blue color.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...oto&rd=1&item=
4521283312&category=31271

Mercury continued with its EFI and carburated models as it marketed the
Opimax.
Did OMC?

Jim and Becky wrote:
I've read a lot in this newsgroup about engines with FICHT technology.
Seems likeI've only seen the label on Evinrudes.
I won't go any where near a 98-99-2000 Evinrude.
Was FICHT also used in Johnsons?
I'm looking at a Proline 251 on Ebay. The engine is a '99 Johnson 200 Ocean
Pro.
The engine is a dark gray/blue color.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...oto&rd=1&item=
4521283312&category=31271

Mercury continued with its EFI and carburated models as it marketed the
Opimax.
Did OMC?



Yes the same with OMC they continued building the normal carb engines
under the Johnson brand, mostly same parts, even same production & they
were no more trouble than Merc of Johnsons ever were.

If it's a "Johnson" you should be safe just make sure you don't get a
ficht or a renamed "ficht" (E-tec??)

Oops almost forgot:-) & make sure you get the VRO (or whatever the
latest name used is) disconnected so you can run 50-1 outboard oil in
the fuel tanks.


K

Thanks for the help.
I take it the varying ratio oil system didn't work too well?
My brother in law unhooked his but I didnt' ask why.

"K. Smith" wrote in message
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Jim and Becky wrote:
I've read a lot in this newsgroup about engines with FICHT technology.
Seems likeI've only seen the label on Evinrudes.
I won't go any where near a 98-99-2000 Evinrude.
Was FICHT also used in Johnsons?
I'm looking at a Proline 251 on Ebay. The engine is a '99 Johnson 200
Ocean
Pro.
The engine is a dark gray/blue color.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...oto&rd=1&item=
4521283312&category=31271

Mercury continued with its EFI and carburated models as it marketed the
Opimax.
Did OMC?



Yes the same with OMC they continued building the normal carb engines
under the Johnson brand, mostly same parts, even same production & they
were no more trouble than Merc of Johnsons ever were.

If it's a "Johnson" you should be safe just make sure you don't get a
ficht or a renamed "ficht" (E-tec??)

Oops almost forgot:-) & make sure you get the VRO (or whatever the
latest name used is) disconnected so you can run 50-1 outboard oil in
the fuel tanks.


K

Jim and Becky wrote:

Thanks for the help.
I take it the varying ratio oil system didn't work too well?
My brother in law unhooked his but I didnt' ask why.


All such systems have a failure rate. Your BIL is just one of the
paranoid OMC owners. Don't bring it up with him, though. Stay on his
good side so you get to spend time on his boat!

Rob

"trainfan1" wrote in message
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Jim and Becky wrote:

Thanks for the help.
I take it the varying ratio oil system didn't work too well?
My brother in law unhooked his but I didnt' ask why.


All such systems have a failure rate. Your BIL is just one of the
paranoid OMC owners. Don't bring it up with him, though. Stay on his
good side so you get to spend time on his boat!

Rob

A greater concern is that is the period in which OMC outsourced many of
its components, like pistons etc. There were reported quality problems.
However if the motor is running well after 6 years it should be ok. Do
you get to run it and have it inspected before putting up the money? I
don't quite get the ebay purchase for stuff like that. How does it
work?

del cecchi

I wouldn't purchase a boat on ebay through an auction.
However I might call after the auction is over as many items don't sell.
At that point I'd buy it contingent upon a mechanic's examination.
From there I'm in the dark too.
I don't know how I would trust a mechanic's recommendation on boat 5 states
away.





"del cecchi" wrote in message
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"trainfan1" wrote in message
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Jim and Becky wrote:

Thanks for the help.
I take it the varying ratio oil system didn't work too well?
My brother in law unhooked his but I didnt' ask why.


All such systems have a failure rate. Your BIL is just one of the
paranoid OMC owners. Don't bring it up with him, though. Stay on his
good side so you get to spend time on his boat!

Rob

A greater concern is that is the period in which OMC outsourced many of
its components, like pistons etc. There were reported quality problems.
However if the motor is running well after 6 years it should be ok. Do
you get to run it and have it inspected before putting up the money? I
don't quite get the ebay purchase for stuff like that. How does it
work?

del cecchi

You would be making a mistake overlooking the
FICHTS of that vintage. Any dealer can update
those engines and once they are set up properly,
they are bullet proof.

I have a 2000 FICHT and love it. It's efficient
as hell, has plenty of power and is problem free.

Johnson Ocean Pro are carbed motors, but Johnson
did make include FICHT technology in some engine
of that era.

Don't take Karen for an expert on this subject - she
is heavily biased, anti-everything FICHT with little
or no basis in fact.

Oddly, she is pretty knowledgeable and a fairly good
read on other things.

Later,

Tom

"Jim and Becky" wrote in message
...
I've read a lot in this newsgroup about engines with FICHT technology.
Seems likeI've only seen the label on Evinrudes.
I won't go any where near a 98-99-2000 Evinrude.
Was FICHT also used in Johnsons?
I'm looking at a Proline 251 on Ebay. The engine is a '99 Johnson 200
Ocean
Pro.
The engine is a dark gray/blue color.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...oto&rd=1&item=
4521283312&category=31271

Mercury continued with its EFI and carburated models as it marketed the
Opimax.
Did OMC?

Y. Oda wrote:
You would be making a mistake overlooking the
FICHTS of that vintage. Any dealer can update
those engines and once they are set up properly,
they are bullet proof.

I have a 2000 FICHT and love it. It's efficient
as hell, has plenty of power and is problem free.

Johnson Ocean Pro are carbed motors, but Johnson
did make include FICHT technology in some engine
of that era.

Don't take Karen for an expert on this subject - she
is heavily biased, anti-everything FICHT with little
or no basis in fact.

Oddly, she is pretty knowledgeable and a fairly good
read on other things.

Later,

Tom

Hi Tom, thanks for the reply but to be a little fair you should also
have pointed out that "you" had Ficht troubles, which you now claim are
"fixed".

However I've regularly noticed you saying in this NG how your boat
doesn't perform as you would expect, nor even carry the prop pitch you
know other similar HP motors carry to full revs.

I've refrained from comment because I know you're touchy about it, but
suggest the real reason is; your "upgraded" Fichts were in fact
electronically detuned, which was a standard but never "announced"
tactic to try & get Fichts to just keep running.

By "reprogramming" they effectively ensure you can't really load the
engine while still in that critical lean burn mode, say up to 2000 rpm.

Once past that critical EPA mandated lean burn mode, then the spark
resumes normal properly timed single firing & the mixture is returned to
a "normal" setting (much too quickly but hey:-)), so then the Ficht only
has to contend with low injection pressure & resultant poor atomisation
along with the absurdly risky 1 into 6 oiling system.

I'm honestly glad you've been lucky since they "fixed yours (so far:-))
& wish you nothing but continued luck with your new renamed fichts,
E-Tecs. It's just that given the asking price & the risk of "winning"
it's a consumer testing lottery I'll always advise against.

K

"Jim and Becky" wrote in message
...

I've read a lot in this newsgroup about engines with FICHT technology.
Seems likeI've only seen the label on Evinrudes.
I won't go any where near a 98-99-2000 Evinrude.
Was FICHT also used in Johnsons?
I'm looking at a Proline 251 on Ebay. The engine is a '99 Johnson 200
Ocean
Pro.
The engine is a dark gray/blue color.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...oto&rd=1&item=
4521283312&category=31271

Mercury continued with its EFI and carburated models as it marketed the
Opimax.
Did OMC?