This really sucks...
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Vietnam Vet Freezes To Death Christmas Eve
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A very high percentage of homeless males in that age group are
Vietnam-era vets. Of those, an extremely high number are suffering form
some sort of mental illness. It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.

Only in America........Billions of dollars spent on war and not enough to
have housing for the homeless.

When I was in Havana, last winter, I noticed a signboard on a large building
in the downtown area. On this sign was written, in English, " 30,000
children slept in the streets last night. Not one was Cuban." This sign
is in reference to the homeless in the USA. In Cuba, everyone has a
home,provided by the government, or built by the people themselves.

There are homeless people living in the streets of Toronto, but it is their
choice to do so. Not anyone here has to be homeless. Our government will
provide a place for people to sleep so they can come in out of the cold.

Jim Carter.
"The Boat"
Bayfield

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.

"Fifty-seven-year-old Joe Young died in single-digit cold a few blocks
from a shelter where he had previously stayed and a few days before he was
to move into an apartment that had been arranged for him."

So how'd this happen? He had an appartment "arranged for him"...and he was
just a few blocks from a shelter where he could stayed.

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Vietnam Vet Freezes To Death Christmas Eve
...................................snip........... .........................
A very high percentage of homeless males in that age group are
Vietnam-era vets. Of those, an extremely high number are suffering form
some sort of mental illness. It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.

Only in America........Billions of dollars spent on war and not enough to
have housing for the homeless.

Which is why we should have used the $350 million that we sent to Indonesia
on our own fellow countrymen.




When I was in Havana, last winter, I noticed a signboard on a large
building
in the downtown area. On this sign was written, in English, " 30,000
children slept in the streets last night. Not one was Cuban." This
sign
is in reference to the homeless in the USA. In Cuba, everyone has a
home,provided by the government, or built by the people themselves.

LOL. Why'd you come back?


There are homeless people living in the streets of Toronto, but it is
their
choice to do so. Not anyone here has to be homeless. Our government will
provide a place for people to sleep so they can come in out of the cold.

And there are places in the US for *our* homeless people. The article that
Harry cited said:

"Joe Young died in single-digit cold a few blocks from a shelter where he
had previously stayed and a few days before he was to move into an
apartment that had been arranged for him."

"NOYB" wrote in message
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When I was in Havana, last winter

LOL. Why'd you come back?

My visa was only good for 30 days. At least I am allowed to travel
wherever I want. Not like you. But, Oh, I forgot. You live in the 'Land of
the Free".

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Vietnam Vet Freezes To Death Christmas Eve
...................................snip........... .........................
A very high percentage of homeless males in that age group are
Vietnam-era vets. Of those, an extremely high number are suffering form
some sort of mental illness. It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.

Only in America........Billions of dollars spent on war and not enough to
have housing for the homeless.

Every large city, and many smaller ones, have food pantries and shelters for
the poor and homeless. Some of these are not-for-profit religious groups;
most receive money from the federal and/or state government directly, (and
by proxy, since they get tax-free donations from companies and individuals,
who get to write the donations off of their federal taxes- so, in essence,
the government is "paying" for this by not collecting the revenue) and the
vast majority get their food donated to them by families such as ours.
You'll also find many folks volunteering their time to deliver sandwiches
and coffee to the homeless, or to round them up and take them to a shelter
for a meal and a bed. One of our neighbors (a woman minister and her
husband) started a program to help homeless families get an apartment, find
jobs, and feed/clothe the families. They also have a big Christmas party
every year for the homeless and poor here, and get donations of clothes,
school supplies, and food for the event. There are always more than enough
volunteers to help with the event.



When I was in Havana, last winter, I noticed a signboard on a large
building
in the downtown area. On this sign was written, in English, " 30,000
children slept in the streets last night. Not one was Cuban." This
sign
is in reference to the homeless in the USA. In Cuba, everyone has a
home,provided by the government, or built by the people themselves.

And I'm sure it's very nice in Cuba, if you toe the party line, and behave
like a good communist- otherwise, I imagine that being tortured or
imprisoned for your political beliefs would be at least a minor
inconvenience, no?



There are homeless people living in the streets of Toronto, but it is
their
choice to do so. Not anyone here has to be homeless. Our government will
provide a place for people to sleep so they can come in out of the cold.

It's mostly a choice here, too (except for mentally ill, drug addicts,
alcoholics, etc) - though you'll get some argument from those who feel that
until every person is GIVEN an apartment, a job, and food, we havent done
enough. I, for one, see that trying to HELP someone by giving them TEMPORARY
assistance to find food, shelter, and work is vastly superior for that
person than trying to alleviate their suffering by GIVING them unlimited
free subsistance. Many of the people who are GIVEN a free ride will simply
become dependent upon it. If they are simply helped, for a limited time,
most can and will become productive citizens with infinitely more self
esteem and pride than those poor souls who depend on the public at large for
permanent support. Obviously, we can do a better job of locating and helping
those who are permanently disabled by mental illness or in need of drug
treatment, but by and large this country does a marvelous job of taking care
of it's own via a pertnership between concerned individuals, groups of
individuals supported by their companies, and by the government. To say
anything less is to undermine the vast amount of help and goodwill that
happens every single day in this country... And don't get me started about
the amount of money we spend around the globe on the poor populations of
countries whose leaders and populations still disdain us as the "rich,
selfish Americans" as if we OWED then something. We give, and I'm tired of
hearing the bitching and moaning that it "isn't enough". Sounds like a
spoiled teenager who is ****ed 'cuz he got a used car instead of a new one
for his 16th birthday.


Jim Carter.
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Happy boating, Jim.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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The Konservatives who Kontrol Amerika are afraid that if we travel to
Havana and see that it isn't such a bad place, and that Cubans are
decent people, and that the country itself is beautiful, and that the
Cubans, like some people everywhere, are saddled with a lunatic for a
leader, they might force out government to normalize relations.

Hell, in terms of death count, I'll bet Dubya has outdown Fidel, and
Fidel has been around for about 40 years.



Interesting perspective there Harry.

The US embargo on Cuba has existed for over 44 years and has been enforced
by many administrations, Republican and Democratic. In fact, the embargo
has been modified over the years with some of the most severe constraints
imposed during the Kennedy administration when all travel and commercial
transactions were made illegal for U.S. citizens.

This is not Bush's doings, however I personally agree that it is time to
re-examine our policy and eliminate most, if not all of the embargo
provisions.

Eisboch

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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When I was in Havana, last winter

LOL. Why'd you come back?

My visa was only good for 30 days.

I meant...why didn't you move there permanently?

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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This is not Bush's doings, however I personally agree that it is time to
re-examine our policy and eliminate most, if not all of the embargo
provisions.

My sister just got back from Cuba a week ago. Except for Air Canada losing
her luggage, the trip was great.
I'd better get down there before Castro dies and the place is flooded with
Americans. :-)

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jim Carter wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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When I was in Havana, last winter


LOL. Why'd you come back?


My visa was only good for 30 days. At least I am allowed to travel
wherever I want. Not like you. But, Oh, I forgot. You live in the 'Land
of
the Free".

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield



The Konservatives who Kontrol Amerika are afraid that if we travel to
Havana and see that it isn't such a bad place, and that Cubans are decent
people, and that the country itself is beautiful, and that the Cubans,
like some people everywhere, are saddled with a lunatic for a leader, they
might force out government to normalize relations.

What was the name of the Conservative who originally established the embargo
and travel restrictions? And what was the name of the Conservative who was
in a position to do something about them from 1993-2000...and didn't?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.


"Fifty-seven-year-old Joe Young died in single-digit cold a few blocks
from a shelter where he had previously stayed and a few days before he
was to move into an apartment that had been arranged for him."

So how'd this happen? He had an appartment "arranged for him"...and he
was just a few blocks from a shelter where he could stayed.
My guess...

He is one of the thousands of mentally ill homeless who live on the edge,
until they die, and who need benevolent care or at least heartfelt
oversight to help them make it through life.

Perhaps you could volunteer to donate some time and services through a
homeless shelter and thereby learn something about the have-nots and some
of what ails them. I'm sure their dental health is abominable.

It is. And I have.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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When I was in Havana, last winter

LOL. Why'd you come back?

My visa was only good for 30 days.

I meant...why didn't you move there permanently?

I would love to live there but my family likes me to live here for part of
the year. The sailing there is terrific! Have you ever been to the
Hemingway Marina in Havana or the Marina Varadero? My older brother lives
in Pinar Del Rio, Southwest of Havana, for 6 months of the year. ( winter )
as he has a visa for 6 months. He is a retired Professor of Engineering.
Retired at age 52. My 30 days vacation there is just fine for me. I also
love the winter here. Snowmobiling in the south is not very good! I use
my summer cottage, at the Lake, for the rest of the winter as it is
winterized and it has a wonderful fireplace.
Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

The problem isn't GW Bush, it is JEB and every other Florida polititian from
Claude Pepper to Lawton Chiles. (along with the beet/corn sugar folks from
ABM). We aren't scred of communists we are scared of a tourist and agricultural
center 90 miles away.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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If Castro *doesn't* die soon, Cuba might still be flooded with
Americans....
like the Marines, Airborne, the 4th ID, etc.

What if he whups your butt again (aka Bay of Pigs) oh..the humanity!

"NOYB" wrote in message
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We could bomb Minnesota. A thermonuclear blast ought to raise your temps
above freezing for awhile.


Nuclear NOYB. You must have shares in a bomb making company.

The solution is Bush. All he has to do is say that he plans to
re-establish relations with Cuba

I doubt it makes any difference as long as Florida politics are involved.
Nobody in the last 80 years has lost Florida and won the white house.

Don't tell me there carter


You have fields of deer and buffalo roaming ,,, lol,,,

Mother,,, better get the meds tray out again,,, seems jimmy is off his
rocker again,,,

O ya,, and the brother,, retired 52 year old teacher,,, lol,,, I am sure he
is a proud teacher, where majority of his graduates cannot read properly and
the engineering students coming from the east are selected for employment
over their western counterparts. I am sure you are proud of your brother who
spends all of his winters down in Cuba,,, but happen to fall off one of your
rocking chairs there about a month ago,,, lol,,, unless you are in Cuba,,
then you are a liar,,, lol,,, you make a perfect krause puppet,,, PERFECT,,,
Besides there carter not too smarter,, we had this conversation a month
ago,,, I proved you wrong then, (remember your brother fell off the rocking
chair laughing) and I proved you a liar today as you claim he spends his
winters in Cuba,,, lol,,,

Unless that 6 month visa has multiple entries,,, you could sneak out of this
lie that way, but why would he visit you in the north,,, just to use your
rocking chair???? lol,,,, ouch,,, no,,, you make a perfect krause puppet,,,,
YUP,,, Krause,,, this one will do,,,













"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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When I was in Havana, last winter

LOL. Why'd you come back?

My visa was only good for 30 days.

I meant...why didn't you move there permanently?

I would love to live there but my family likes me to live here for part of
the year. The sailing there is terrific! Have you ever been to the
Hemingway Marina in Havana or the Marina Varadero? My older brother
lives
in Pinar Del Rio, Southwest of Havana, for 6 months of the year. (
winter )
as he has a visa for 6 months. He is a retired Professor of Engineering.
Retired at age 52. My 30 days vacation there is just fine for me. I
also
love the winter here. Snowmobiling in the south is not very good! I
use
my summer cottage, at the Lake, for the rest of the winter as it is
winterized and it has a wonderful fireplace.
Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:04:56 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Vietnam Vet Freezes To Death Christmas Eve
...................................snip.......... ..........................
A very high percentage of homeless males in that age group are
Vietnam-era vets. Of those, an extremely high number are suffering form
some sort of mental illness. It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.

Only in America........Billions of dollars spent on war and not enough to
have housing for the homeless.

Maybe if the homeless would get a job, they wouldn't be homeless.
Wal-Mart is always hiring.......


When I was in Havana, last winter, I noticed a signboard on a large building
in the downtown area. On this sign was written, in English, " 30,000
children slept in the streets last night. Not one was Cuban." This sign
is in reference to the homeless in the USA. In Cuba, everyone has a
home,provided by the government, or built by the people themselves.

There's a wonderful example. Everyone has a roof over the heads, but
most of them leak. Everyone is equal in poverty. At least in a free
market government, the people who achieve can rise above it. In
socialist/communist nations, the achievers pay for the non-achievers
thereby discouraging anyone from achieving, as there are no extra
rewards for doing so.


There are homeless people living in the streets of Toronto, but it is their
choice to do so. Not anyone here has to be homeless.

That's true everywhere. If one has the will to better themselves they
can find a way. America is the land of opportunity. But it is NOT the
land of guarantees.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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There's a wonderful example. Everyone has a roof over the heads, but
most of them leak. Everyone is equal in poverty. At least in a free
market government, the people who achieve can rise above it. In
socialist/communist nations, the achievers pay for the non-achievers
thereby discouraging anyone from achieving, as there are no extra
rewards for doing so.
Dave

Hi Dave: Have you ever been to Cuba or do you just listen to Bush's
propaganda about Cuba?

The houses there do not have leaky roofs any more than you have one.
Everyone is not in poverty there. Before you type your comments, get your
facts straight. There are new cars being purchased, just not American
ones.

I have been there. I have family that lives there for part of the year and
have been doing so for more than 30 years.
Of course, life there could be better if the USA would lift the embargo.

Jim

"Don White" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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We could bomb Minnesota. A thermonuclear blast ought to raise your temps
above freezing for awhile.


Nuclear NOYB. You must have shares in a bomb making company.

Naw. I have a large stockpile of postassium iodide pills.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"NOYB" wrote in message
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We could bomb Minnesota. A thermonuclear blast ought to raise your temps
above freezing for awhile.



Nuclear NOYB. You must have shares in a bomb making company.


He's our own little Curtis LeMay...

"If you are going to use military force, then you ought to use overwhelming
military force. Use too much and deliberately use too much.. you'll save
lives, not only your own, but the enemy's too." -Curtis LeMay

If LeMay's policies would have been implemented, then today there'd be a
unified Korea, we'd have won the Vietnam War, and Castro wouldn't have
survived the Cuban missile crisis. Of course, the World probably would have
ended sometime in the 70's when he launched an all-out pre-emptive strike
against the Soviets...but nobody's perfect.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:

"NOYB" wrote in message
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We could bomb Minnesota. A thermonuclear blast ought to raise your
temps
above freezing for awhile.



Nuclear NOYB. You must have shares in a bomb making company.


He's our own little Curtis LeMay...


"If you are going to use military force, then you ought to use
overwhelming military force. Use too much and deliberately use too much..
you'll save lives, not only your own, but the enemy's too." -Curtis LeMay

If LeMay's policies would have been implemented, then today there'd be a
unified Korea, we'd have won the Vietnam War, and Castro wouldn't have
survived the Cuban missile crisis. Of course, the World probably would
have ended sometime in the 70's when he launched an all-out pre-emptive
strike against the Soviets...but nobody's perfect.







LeMay would have inititated a nuclear war...

Isn't that what I just said?

Regardless, his strategy for blasting Japanese cities into oblivion is what
won the war for us.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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We could bomb Minnesota. A thermonuclear blast ought to raise your
temps
above freezing for awhile.



Nuclear NOYB. You must have shares in a bomb making company.


He's our own little Curtis LeMay...


"If you are going to use military force, then you ought to use
overwhelming military force. Use too much and deliberately use too
much.. you'll save lives, not only your own, but the enemy's
too." -Curtis LeMay

If LeMay's policies would have been implemented, then today there'd be a
unified Korea, we'd have won the Vietnam War, and Castro wouldn't have
survived the Cuban missile crisis. Of course, the World probably would
have ended sometime in the 70's when he launched an all-out pre-emptive
strike against the Soviets...but nobody's perfect.







LeMay would have inititated a nuclear war...


Isn't that what I just said?

Regardless, his strategy for blasting Japanese cities into oblivion is
what won the war for us.



The war against the Japanese was won before we dropped the nukes.

Of course it was...because before the nukes were dropped, the LeMay-led
Strategic Air Offensive was dropping napalm on Tokyo and other Japanese
cities. There were estimates at the time that a ground assault on the
Japanese home islands would have led to 1 million US casualties. If we had
to fight WWII again today, we'd sacrifice those million men rather than
make the difficult decision to target civilian cities form the air (ex--
Fallujah). We don't have the stomach to do the things necessary to win a
war today.

"JimH" wrote in message
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In Don's defense the Cuban exiles involved in the invasion were trained
and
armed by the US CIA, all at the approval of Kennedy....so it was in fact a
US led operation. Additionally the invasion was indeed a complete failure
and a black eye to Kennedy.


Thank you. I knew the CIA were involved but wasn't sure if the military
were involved covertly.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
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We could bomb Minnesota. A thermonuclear blast ought to raise your
temps
above freezing for awhile.



Nuclear NOYB. You must have shares in a bomb making company.


He's our own little Curtis LeMay...


"If you are going to use military force, then you ought to use
overwhelming military force. Use too much and deliberately use too
much..
you'll save lives, not only your own, but the enemy's too." -Curtis
LeMay

If LeMay's policies would have been implemented, then today there'd be
a
unified Korea, we'd have won the Vietnam War, and Castro wouldn't have
survived the Cuban missile crisis. Of course, the World probably would
have ended sometime in the 70's when he launched an all-out pre-emptive
strike against the Soviets...but nobody's perfect.







LeMay would have inititated a nuclear war...


Isn't that what I just said?

Regardless, his strategy for blasting Japanese cities into oblivion is
what
won the war for us.



The war against the Japanese was won before we dropped the nukes.

But the Japanese would not surrender. Took 2 bombs to make them change
their mind. They still would not surrender after the first.

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:43 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
There's a wonderful example. Everyone has a roof over the heads, but
most of them leak. Everyone is equal in poverty. At least in a free
market government, the people who achieve can rise above it. In
socialist/communist nations, the achievers pay for the non-achievers
thereby discouraging anyone from achieving, as there are no extra
rewards for doing so.
Dave

Hi Dave: Have you ever been to Cuba or do you just listen to Bush's
propaganda about Cuba?

I'm not allowed to go to Cuba. But I have been to Florida, and I know
many former Cubans. The stories they tell are not good ones. Why do
you suppose they come in droves to this country in anything that
floats?

The houses there do not have leaky roofs any more than you have one.
Everyone is not in poverty there.

No, like in most communist/socialist nations, there are a minority of
"connected" people who enjoy some of the fruits normally associated
with democratic societies. But the majority of the people live in what
would be considered poverty by our standards.


Before you type your comments, get your
facts straight.

As always, my facts are straight. Otherwise I wouldn't post them.


There are new cars being purchased, just not American
ones.

Funny, the cars that are shown there make it look like a time warp
back to the 60's. The common people still maintain cars that I can't
even find in a junkyard anymore here.The truck converted to a boat
that brought that load from Cuba last year was a 1953 model. The
Buick-boat that came here about a year ago was a 1959 model IIRC.


I have been there. I have family that lives there for part of the year and
have been doing so for more than 30 years.
Of course, life there could be better if the USA would lift the embargo.

So how far removed is Fidel from your family?

Dave

On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:42:22 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:04:56 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Vietnam Vet Freezes To Death Christmas Eve

...................................snip........ ............................

A very high percentage of homeless males in that age group are
Vietnam-era vets. Of those, an extremely high number are suffering form
some sort of mental illness. It's too bad we no longer have a safety net.

Only in America........Billions of dollars spent on war and not enough to
have housing for the homeless.


Maybe if the homeless would get a job, they wouldn't be homeless.
Wal-Mart is always hiring.......

Wal-Mart doesn't pay enough in the city suburbs to keep a roof over your
head.

Yes it does, if you learn to budget wisely. I know people who do it.
Granted they have next to nothing, and don't live in the best of
places, but it beats the street.

Dave

My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5 years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people. Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:43 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
There's a wonderful example. Everyone has a roof over the heads, but
most of them leak. Everyone is equal in poverty. At least in a free
market government, the people who achieve can rise above it. In
socialist/communist nations, the achievers pay for the non-achievers
thereby discouraging anyone from achieving, as there are no extra
rewards for doing so.
Dave

Hi Dave: Have you ever been to Cuba or do you just listen to Bush's
propaganda about Cuba?

I'm not allowed to go to Cuba. But I have been to Florida, and I know
many former Cubans. The stories they tell are not good ones. Why do
you suppose they come in droves to this country in anything that
floats?

The houses there do not have leaky roofs any more than you have one.
Everyone is not in poverty there.

No, like in most communist/socialist nations, there are a minority of
"connected" people who enjoy some of the fruits normally associated
with democratic societies. But the majority of the people live in what
would be considered poverty by our standards.


Before you type your comments, get your
facts straight.

As always, my facts are straight. Otherwise I wouldn't post them.


There are new cars being purchased, just not American
ones.

Funny, the cars that are shown there make it look like a time warp
back to the 60's. The common people still maintain cars that I can't
even find in a junkyard anymore here.The truck converted to a boat
that brought that load from Cuba last year was a 1953 model. The
Buick-boat that came here about a year ago was a 1959 model IIRC.


I have been there. I have family that lives there for part of the year
and
have been doing so for more than 30 years.
Of course, life there could be better if the USA would lift the embargo.

So how far removed is Fidel from your family?

Dave

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a 21 year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a 21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have
family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot get
his two brain cells to connect.

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21 year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have
family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

Yeah, sure, we believe you, Bill.......
You don't need family there to visit, by the way. Just go to Mexico,
then to Cuba. It's done all of the time, people have vacations of a
lifetime there, what with it being just a huge slum and all....!!!!

P.Fritz wrote:
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all, for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!

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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all, for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

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P.Fritz wrote:
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all, for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your spelling?
And I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Besides the fact that he is a hypocrite and ther 'King of the NG idiots", he
cannot discern the difference between a typo and basic poor grammar skills
and plain ignorance like he displays repeatedly here. I wonder if he has
been out 'cow downing' anybody recently?

JimH wrote:
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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba
about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it
was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper
echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment
of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you
have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he
cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all,
for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your
spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Yes, I DO see a problem. It's called double standards. Seems like it's
okay for the right wing circle jerk amalgam of you, Fritz, NOYB, JohnH,
and Smithers to call others idiots, etc., when they misspell or use
incorrect grammar, but alas, when one of YOU do it, why, somehow then,
I'm the bad guy for bringing it up. Who did I call an idiot?

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JimH wrote:
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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba
about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it
was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper
echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment
of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you
have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he
cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all,
for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your
spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Yes, I DO see a problem.

Good. Work towards correcting it.

JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba
about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said
it
was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper
echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the
comment
of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If
you
have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in
Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he
cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all,
for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb
ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your
spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Yes, I DO see a problem.

Good. Work towards correcting it.

Hehe, you can't even see when it's YOUR doing. Are you blind? Now, I
asked, where did I call anyone an idiot this morning? You can't, can
you? Work towards correcting it.

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JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba
about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said
it
was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper
echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the
comment
of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If
you
have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in
Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he
cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all,
for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb
ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your
spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Yes, I DO see a problem.

Good. Work towards correcting it.

Hehe, you can't even see when it's YOUR doing. Are you blind? Now, I
asked, where did I call anyone an idiot this morning? You can't, can
you? Work towards correcting it.


Sure I can. Here is one you posted at 8:22 a.m. today:

"And you make a good idiot."

There are several more, but this one will do.

Now start working towards correcting your behavior here. OK?

JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message

ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in
Cuba
about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She
said
it
was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of
the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper
echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the
comment
of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If
you
have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in
Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long
he
cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and
all,
for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb
ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your
spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Yes, I DO see a problem.

Good. Work towards correcting it.

Hehe, you can't even see when it's YOUR doing. Are you blind? Now,
I
asked, where did I call anyone an idiot this morning? You can't,
can
you? Work towards correcting it.


Sure I can. Here is one you posted at 8:22 a.m. today:

"And you make a good idiot."

There are several more, but this one will do.

Now start working towards correcting your behavior here. OK?

My god! Can you PLEASE learn to read something in context. I didn't say
*you are an idiot*. I said you make a good idiot. Now, I know you won't
understand the difference, so I'll explain it so that a five year old
could comprehend it. "and you make a good idiot" means just that. You
could be purposefully acting like an idiot, without really being one.
Kind of like Fritz, he acts like a little child, but I have always
assumed he was an adult, and I mean that STRICTLY age-wise.

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JimH wrote:
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JimH wrote:
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P.Fritz wrote:
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"basskisser" wrote in message

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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in
Cuba
about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She
said
it
was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of
the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper
echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the
comment
of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If
you
have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in
Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long
he
cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and
all,
for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb
ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your
spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this
morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Yes, I DO see a problem.

Good. Work towards correcting it.

Hehe, you can't even see when it's YOUR doing. Are you blind? Now,
I
asked, where did I call anyone an idiot this morning? You can't,
can
you? Work towards correcting it.


Sure I can. Here is one you posted at 8:22 a.m. today:

"And you make a good idiot."

There are several more, but this one will do.

Now start working towards correcting your behavior here. OK?

My god! Can you PLEASE learn to read something in context. I didn't say
*you are an idiot*. I said you make a good idiot. Now, I know you won't
understand the difference, so I'll explain it so that a five year old
could comprehend it. "and you make a good idiot" means just that. You
could be purposefully acting like an idiot, without really being one.
Kind of like Fritz, he acts like a little child, but I have always
assumed he was an adult, and I mean that STRICTLY age-wise.


You never cease to amaze me Bassy.