On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:43 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
There's a wonderful example. Everyone has a roof over the heads, but
most of them leak. Everyone is equal in poverty. At least in a free
market government, the people who achieve can rise above it. In
socialist/communist nations, the achievers pay for the non-achievers
thereby discouraging anyone from achieving, as there are no extra
rewards for doing so.
Dave

Hi Dave: Have you ever been to Cuba or do you just listen to Bush's
propaganda about Cuba?

I'm not allowed to go to Cuba. But I have been to Florida, and I know
many former Cubans. The stories they tell are not good ones. Why do
you suppose they come in droves to this country in anything that
floats?

The houses there do not have leaky roofs any more than you have one.
Everyone is not in poverty there.

No, like in most communist/socialist nations, there are a minority of
"connected" people who enjoy some of the fruits normally associated
with democratic societies. But the majority of the people live in what
would be considered poverty by our standards.


Before you type your comments, get your
facts straight.

As always, my facts are straight. Otherwise I wouldn't post them.


There are new cars being purchased, just not American
ones.

Funny, the cars that are shown there make it look like a time warp
back to the 60's. The common people still maintain cars that I can't
even find in a junkyard anymore here.The truck converted to a boat
that brought that load from Cuba last year was a 1953 model. The
Buick-boat that came here about a year ago was a 1959 model IIRC.


I have been there. I have family that lives there for part of the year and
have been doing so for more than 30 years.
Of course, life there could be better if the USA would lift the embargo.

So how far removed is Fidel from your family?

Dave

My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5 years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people. Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:53:43 -0500, "Jim Carter"
wrote:


"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
There's a wonderful example. Everyone has a roof over the heads, but
most of them leak. Everyone is equal in poverty. At least in a free
market government, the people who achieve can rise above it. In
socialist/communist nations, the achievers pay for the non-achievers
thereby discouraging anyone from achieving, as there are no extra
rewards for doing so.
Dave

Hi Dave: Have you ever been to Cuba or do you just listen to Bush's
propaganda about Cuba?

I'm not allowed to go to Cuba. But I have been to Florida, and I know
many former Cubans. The stories they tell are not good ones. Why do
you suppose they come in droves to this country in anything that
floats?

The houses there do not have leaky roofs any more than you have one.
Everyone is not in poverty there.

No, like in most communist/socialist nations, there are a minority of
"connected" people who enjoy some of the fruits normally associated
with democratic societies. But the majority of the people live in what
would be considered poverty by our standards.


Before you type your comments, get your
facts straight.

As always, my facts are straight. Otherwise I wouldn't post them.


There are new cars being purchased, just not American
ones.

Funny, the cars that are shown there make it look like a time warp
back to the 60's. The common people still maintain cars that I can't
even find in a junkyard anymore here.The truck converted to a boat
that brought that load from Cuba last year was a 1953 model. The
Buick-boat that came here about a year ago was a 1959 model IIRC.


I have been there. I have family that lives there for part of the year
and
have been doing so for more than 30 years.
Of course, life there could be better if the USA would lift the embargo.

So how far removed is Fidel from your family?

Dave

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a 21 year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a 21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have
family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot get
his two brain cells to connect.

P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all, for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!

"basskisser" wrote in message
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P.Fritz wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about
5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21
year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have

family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

I have a friend that is a prominent fed attorney, born in Havanna
that says
the same thing.

Poor asslicker, he's been drinking the koolaid for so long he cannot
get
his two brain cells to connect.

Seeing how you like to correct others, call them idiots and all, for
grammar and spelling mistakes, YOU must call yourself a dumb ass,
because it's spelled HAVANA!!!!


Now haven't you recently complained when others correct your spelling? And
I believe you called people idiots in your first few posts this morning.

Do you see a problem here Bassy?

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21 year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have
family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

Yeah, sure, we believe you, Bill.......
You don't need family there to visit, by the way. Just go to Mexico,
then to Cuba. It's done all of the time, people have vacations of a
lifetime there, what with it being just a huge slum and all....!!!!

"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21 year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have
family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

Yeah, sure, we believe you, Bill.......
You don't need family there to visit, by the way. Just go to Mexico,
then to Cuba. It's done all of the time, people have vacations of a
lifetime there, what with it being just a huge slum and all....!!!!


Where is the "legally" part of your visit? And if you stay in Havana or the
other 1 or 2 locations open to foreign visitors without family, you probably
see a really nice area.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message
ups.com...

Calif Bill wrote:
My daughter's college friend went to visit family in Cuba about 5
years ago.
She kissed the ground on returning to the USA. She said it was
very
depressing seeing the poverty and living conditions of the
people.
Her
people are probably common folk as opposed to the upper echelon
group, close
to Fidel, that the Canadian's live among.
Bill

Horse****. You've been progammed by too much propaganda.


You are the one programmed by propaganda. this is the comment of a
21 year
old young lady on returning from a legal trip to Cuba. If you have
family,
you may legally visit even if a US citizen.

Yeah, sure, we believe you, Bill.......
You don't need family there to visit, by the way. Just go to Mexico,
then to Cuba. It's done all of the time, people have vacations of a
lifetime there, what with it being just a huge slum and all....!!!!


Where is the "legally" part of your visit? And if you stay in Havana or
the
other 1 or 2 locations open to foreign visitors without family, you
probably
see a really nice area.

Once again, asslicker shows why he is the 'King of the NG idiots'

Of course the gated resorts are up to US/European
standards.........meanwhile the bartender considers himself lucky to make
150 a month.

ENTRY/EXIT REQUIREMENTS/TRAVEL TRANSACTION LIMITATIONS : The Cuban Assets
Control Regulations of the U.S. Treasury Department require that persons
subject to U.S. jurisdiction be licensed to engage in any transaction
related to travel to, from, and within Cuba. Transactions related to tourist
travel are not licensable. This restriction includes tourist travel to Cuba
from or through a third country such as Mexico or Canada. U.S. law
enforcement authorities have increased enforcement of these regulations at
U.S. airports and pre-clearance facilities in third countries. Travelers who
fail to comply with Department of Treasury regulations will face civil
penalties and criminal prosecution upon return to the United States.

Licenses are granted to the following categories of travelers and they are
permitted to spend money for Cuban travel and to engage in other
transactions directly incident to the purpose of their travel under a
general license, without the need to obtain special permission from the U.S.
Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC):

a.. Journalists and supporting broadcasting or technical personnel
(regularly employed in that capacity by a news reporting organization and
traveling for journalistic activities)
b.. Official government travelers on official business.
c.. Members of international organizations of which the United States is
also a member (traveling on official business).
d.. Travelers who have received specific licenses from OFAC prior to
going.
e.. Full-time professionals whose travel transactions are directly
related to research in their professional areas, provided that their
research: 1) is of a noncommercial, academic nature; 2) comprises a full
work schedule in Cuba; and 3) has a substantial likelihood of public
dissemination.
f.. Full-time professionals whose travel transactions are directly
related to attendance at professional meetings or conferences in Cuba
organized by an international professional organization, institution, or
association that regularly sponsors such meetings or conferences in other
countries. An organization, institution, or association headquartered in the
United States may not sponsor such a meeting or conference unless it has
been specifically licensed to sponsor it. The purpose of the meeting or
conference cannot be the promotion of tourism in Cuba or other commercial
activities involving Cuba, or to foster production of any bio-technological
products
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1097.html