On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:02:51 +0000, Clams Canino wrote:


Had the Germans stuck to "the plan" they would have rendered the RAF
innefective and then been able to launch the planned "Operation Sea Lion"
which was the reverse of our D-day cross-channel invasion. Given the
weight they could have thrown at that (as opposed to attacking Russia)
there is little doubt that Nazi occupied England could have come about
just as Nazi occupied France did.

It's fun speculating, but I'm not sure Sea Lion would have worked. The
RAF may have been in ruins, but the Royal Navy was still quite powerful
and the Germans didn't have the naval assets to support an invasion. They
intended to use river barges as landing craft, far from an optimum
solution.


I can easily see a scenario where if Hitler took England correctly, left
Russia alone, and Japan bombed the US at Pearl (holding our interest) that
he could have easily consolodated his power in Europe. Perhaps *then* he
could have still gone after Russia too - taking enough time to do it
right.

Definitely would have stood a better chance, but I wouldn't count the
Russians out. They took a pounding and still came back.

It might well have come down to "Who comes up with The Bomb 1st" as we
in the US could not have mounted anywhere near as effective an attack on
Europe without England.

Again, I'm speculating, but if England had lost, I'm wondering if we would
have entered the war in Europe.

Yes, it's easy to armchair quarterback it now..........


-W (Dunkirk another time)

"thunder" wrote in message


It's fun speculating, but I'm not sure Sea Lion would have worked. The
RAF may have been in ruins, but the Royal Navy was still quite powerful
and the Germans didn't have the naval assets to support an invasion. They
intended to use river barges as landing craft, far from an optimum
solution.

Wasn't the Royal Navy running to us for safe haven? I'm a little fuzzy here,
but I thought that Britian was offloading ships to US and Canada so they
wouldn't be fair game.?


Again, I'm speculating, but if England had lost, I'm wondering if we would
have entered the war in Europe.

I doubt it, we would have been busy driving Japan from the Pacific. Again I
speculate that had Hitler not declared war on US after Pearl, we might have
taken a "Pacific 1st" position anyway. I sure don't see us running out of
our way to help Joe Stalin.... LOL. It's only in hindsight that we know
that Hitler was a monster of the same caliber as old Joseph. Had Germany
won, most of the evidence of the incredible atrocities would have been
hidden and erased. I know I never would have believed in "stray rumors" of
the systemic death factories without some evidence. The mind is slow to
believe that which boggles it so profoundly. I can at least comprehend (but
not agree with!) how Stalin could have "purged" the Soviet Union of
"unbelievers" , since theoretical communism needs everybody on board to even
hope to work. But I would have had a harder time swallowing systemic
genocide based on race or religion only - without evidence.


-W

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:16:38 +0000, Clams Canino wrote:


Wasn't the Royal Navy running to us for safe haven? I'm a little fuzzy
here, but I thought that Britian was offloading ships to US and Canada so
they wouldn't be fair game.?

That would be news to me. Warships?



But I would have had a harder time swallowing
systemic genocide based on race or religion only - without evidence.

One would think, but it seems too common throughout history.