So which boat....
 

.....would you invite a guest on for a relaxing cruise and to show it off ?

This one?

http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/1.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.parkerboats.net/03_2520_M...abin_Large.jpg

Both are beautiful boats but one is luxurious and the other utilitarian.

I think we have a member here who claims to own both boats yet has never
offered to take anyone out on the 36 footer or post a picture of it other
than ones lifted off the internet. We have seen pictures of the 25 footer
though...I think he named it Ho-Ho or I-Want-A-Ho.

To be perfectly fair this individual did offer to take JohnH out on one his
boats, but decided on the 25 footer for some strange reason.

Now we have seen pictures of the 25 footer, but none of the custom made 36
footer. That is what is difficult to understand. If it were me I would
have posted pictures of both but highlighted the custom made 36 foot lobster
boat. It only makes sense seeing this person is also known to brag about his
worldly possessions.

Maybe this person will be gracious enough to post some pictures of that
beautiful custom made 36 footer. After all, it must be beautiful and
something one would want to the NG members to see.

How about it?

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:48:00 -0500, "JimH" wrote:

....would you invite a guest on for a relaxing cruise and to show it off ?

This one?

http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/1.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.parkerboats.net/03_2520_M...abin_Large.jpg

Both are beautiful boats but one is luxurious and the other utilitarian.

I think we have a member here who claims to own both boats yet has never
offered to take anyone out on the 36 footer or post a picture of it other
than ones lifted off the internet. We have seen pictures of the 25 footer
though...I think he named it Ho-Ho or I-Want-A-Ho.

To be perfectly fair this individual did offer to take JohnH out on one his
boats, but decided on the 25 footer for some strange reason.

Now we have seen pictures of the 25 footer, but none of the custom made 36
footer. That is what is difficult to understand. If it were me I would
have posted pictures of both but highlighted the custom made 36 foot lobster
boat. It only makes sense seeing this person is also known to brag about his
worldly possessions.

Maybe this person will be gracious enough to post some pictures of that
beautiful custom made 36 footer. After all, it must be beautiful and
something one would want to the NG members to see.

How about it?


Given the additional room on the 36'er, I might have gone out on that!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:48:00 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


....would you invite a guest on for a relaxing cruise and to show it
off ?

This one?

http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/1.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.parkerboats.net/03_2520_M...abin_Large.jpg

Both are beautiful boats but one is luxurious and the other utilitarian.

I think we have a member here who claims to own both boats yet has
never offered to take anyone out on the 36 footer or post a picture
of it other than ones lifted off the internet. We have seen pictures
of the 25 footer though...I think he named it Ho-Ho or I-Want-A-Ho.

To be perfectly fair this individual did offer to take JohnH out on
one his boats, but decided on the 25 footer for some strange reason.

Now we have seen pictures of the 25 footer, but none of the custom
made 36 footer. That is what is difficult to understand. If it were
me I would have posted pictures of both but highlighted the custom
made 36 foot lobster boat. It only makes sense seeing this person is
also known to brag about his worldly possessions.

Maybe this person will be gracious enough to post some pictures of
that beautiful custom made 36 footer. After all, it must be
beautiful and something one would want to the NG members to see.

How about it?



Given the additional room on the 36'er, I might have gone out on that!




Interesting boats, but my Parker ain't that model, and my lobster boat
ain't a Zimmerman.

Hertvik, of course, is boatless.

Sorry again no comment just want to have his lies on disc.

Krause is a non boat owning non even boating liar.

K

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:48:00 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


....would you invite a guest on for a relaxing cruise and to show it
off ?

This one?

http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/1.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.parkerboats.net/03_2520_M...abin_Large.jpg

Both are beautiful boats but one is luxurious and the other
utilitarian.

I think we have a member here who claims to own both boats yet has
never offered to take anyone out on the 36 footer or post a picture of
it other than ones lifted off the internet. We have seen pictures of
the 25 footer though...I think he named it Ho-Ho or I-Want-A-Ho.

To be perfectly fair this individual did offer to take JohnH out on one
his boats, but decided on the 25 footer for some strange reason.

Now we have seen pictures of the 25 footer, but none of the custom made
36 footer. That is what is difficult to understand. If it were me I
would have posted pictures of both but highlighted the custom made 36
foot lobster boat. It only makes sense seeing this person is also known
to brag about his worldly possessions.

Maybe this person will be gracious enough to post some pictures of that
beautiful custom made 36 footer. After all, it must be beautiful and
something one would want to the NG members to see.

How about it?



Given the additional room on the 36'er, I might have gone out on that!




Interesting boats, but my Parker ain't that model, and my lobster boat
ain't a Zimmerman.

Hertvik, of course, is boatless.

Sorry again no comment just want to have his lies on disc.

Krause is a non boat owning non even boating liar.

K

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
JohnH wrote:

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:48:00 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


....would you invite a guest on for a relaxing cruise and to show it
off ?

This one?

http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/1.jpg
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/z36/g...r/images/2.jpg

Or this one?

http://www.parkerboats.net/03_2520_M...abin_Large.jpg

Both are beautiful boats but one is luxurious and the other
utilitarian.

I think we have a member here who claims to own both boats yet has
never offered to take anyone out on the 36 footer or post a picture of
it other than ones lifted off the internet. We have seen pictures of
the 25 footer though...I think he named it Ho-Ho or I-Want-A-Ho.

To be perfectly fair this individual did offer to take JohnH out on one
his boats, but decided on the 25 footer for some strange reason.

Now we have seen pictures of the 25 footer, but none of the custom made
36 footer. That is what is difficult to understand. If it were me I
would have posted pictures of both but highlighted the custom made 36
foot lobster boat. It only makes sense seeing this person is also known
to brag about his worldly possessions.

Maybe this person will be gracious enough to post some pictures of that
beautiful custom made 36 footer. After all, it must be beautiful and
something one would want to the NG members to see.

How about it?



Given the additional room on the 36'er, I might have gone out on that!




Interesting boats, but my Parker ain't that model, and my lobster boat
ain't a Zimmerman.

Hertvik, of course, is boatless.

Sorry again no comment just want to have his lies on disc.

Krause is a non boat owning non even boating liar.

K

Indeed he is Karen.

And yes Krause, after 25 years of boat ownership I am presently boatless,
although I do own an Achilles.

At least I do not lie about my boat ownership. ;-)

And yes Krause, after 25 years of boat ownership I am presently
boatless,
although I do own an Achilles.


*********

Your dog doesn't count. All the neighbors are laughing as you attempt
obedience training,
"Achilles, heel!"

The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.

The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.

How wonderful to see you post a boating topic, rather than a personal
attack on another NG poster. I hereby withdraw one of the negative
thoughts I may have had about you.

One of my personally favorite 36 lobster boats can be viewed at this
site:

http://www.bruckmannyachts.com/main.htm

Harry Krause wrote:
wrote:

The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.


Ahh...Zimmerman actually is a boat finisher, and at a high level. He
buys some of his hulls from Maine fiberglass fabricators, and I think he
buys some tops there, too. Most of the hull forms are Spencer Lincoln
designs. Lincoln designs hulls for many Maine builders. What he does is
build a very, very plush and heavy lobster boat cruiser.

One Lincoln hull design for a 36' lobster boat planes at more than 50
mph, with an 800 or 900 hp diesel.


The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.


The downside of these far-forward pilothouses is that you know when
you're in choppy water. That's one of the reasons why I ordered mine
with the optional rear control station. Though it is adjacent to the
starboard gunnel, it is situated about where a center console would
be...so when the water chops up, if you drive the boat from the rear
station, it's like driving a center console, and you're where the boat
up and down movement is minimal. The problem is, you can't really see
over the cabin top too well, so you kinda peer around the cabin.

The rear control station is great for trolling and for docking, though.


Just saving:-)

K

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Interesting boats, but my Parker ain't that model, and my lobster boat
ain't a Zimmerman.

Hertvik, of course, is boatless.


Boatless you say??? Then why is he here harassing 'real' boaters?

wrote in message
oups.com...
snip
.. I hereby withdraw one of the negative
thoughts I may have had about you.

Keep it handy...I'm sure you'll need it again....and again....and
again......

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

wrote:

The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.




Ahh...Zimmerman actually is a boat finisher, and at a high level. He
buys some of his hulls from Maine fiberglass fabricators, and I think
he buys some tops there, too. Most of the hull forms are Spencer
Lincoln designs. Lincoln designs hulls for many Maine builders. What
he does is build a very, very plush and heavy lobster boat cruiser.

One Lincoln hull design for a 36' lobster boat planes at more than 50
mph, with an 800 or 900 hp diesel.


The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.




The downside of these far-forward pilothouses is that you know when
you're in choppy water. That's one of the reasons why I ordered mine
with the optional rear control station. Though it is adjacent to the
starboard gunnel, it is situated about where a center console would
be...so when the water chops up, if you drive the boat from the rear
station, it's like driving a center console, and you're where the
boat up and down movement is minimal. The problem is, you can't
really see over the cabin top too well, so you kinda peer around the
cabin.

The rear control station is great for trolling and for docking, though.


Just saving:-)

K



Good for you, Mama Tuuk.



No but seriously for a minute Krause did you really think lying you &
your similarly dishonest lying mates would get away with "investing" in
a charter boat???? when the money actually belongs to honest hard
working unionists????

Then to just underline your arrogance you organised a charter boat
which doesn't even have a US union built motor???? Too much!!!! you
finally went too far!!!!

I still hope I live to see a pic of you getting escorted to court in
handcuffs, yes I know you'll be OK because of your mental illness
history but still I'll giggle, damn I'm giggling now just thinking about
it:-)

K

So another dork goes to the killfile for humoring Krause.

Sigh.

Mudfish

"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

wrote:

The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is
too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.




Ahh...Zimmerman actually is a boat finisher, and at a high level. He
buys some of his hulls from Maine fiberglass fabricators, and I think
he buys some tops there, too. Most of the hull forms are Spencer
Lincoln designs. Lincoln designs hulls for many Maine builders. What he
does is build a very, very plush and heavy lobster boat cruiser.

One Lincoln hull design for a 36' lobster boat planes at more than 50
mph, with an 800 or 900 hp diesel.


The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.




The downside of these far-forward pilothouses is that you know when
you're in choppy water. That's one of the reasons why I ordered mine
with the optional rear control station. Though it is adjacent to the
starboard gunnel, it is situated about where a center console would
be...so when the water chops up, if you drive the boat from the rear
station, it's like driving a center console, and you're where the boat
up and down movement is minimal. The problem is, you can't really see
over the cabin top too well, so you kinda peer around the cabin.

The rear control station is great for trolling and for docking, though.


Just saving:-)

K



Good for you, Mama Tuuk.



No but seriously for a minute Krause did you really think lying you & your
similarly dishonest lying mates would get away with "investing" in a
charter boat???? when the money actually belongs to honest hard working
unionists????

Then to just underline your arrogance you organised a charter boat which
doesn't even have a US union built motor???? Too much!!!! you finally went
too far!!!!

I still hope I live to see a pic of you getting escorted to court in
handcuffs, yes I know you'll be OK because of your mental illness history
but still I'll giggle, damn I'm giggling now just thinking about it:-)

K

Yup

You can always tell when krause gets caught in a lie,,, he flings insults,,

krause you are a sore loser,, Not just plain loser, fat loser, old senile
loser but sore loser,, have you fallen off your meds again/?/? OO,, Better
get Hazel ,,,














"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
K. Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

wrote:

The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.



Ahh...Zimmerman actually is a boat finisher, and at a high level. He
buys some of his hulls from Maine fiberglass fabricators, and I think he
buys some tops there, too. Most of the hull forms are Spencer Lincoln
designs. Lincoln designs hulls for many Maine builders. What he does is
build a very, very plush and heavy lobster boat cruiser.

One Lincoln hull design for a 36' lobster boat planes at more than 50
mph, with an 800 or 900 hp diesel.


The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.



The downside of these far-forward pilothouses is that you know when
you're in choppy water. That's one of the reasons why I ordered mine
with the optional rear control station. Though it is adjacent to the
starboard gunnel, it is situated about where a center console would
be...so when the water chops up, if you drive the boat from the rear
station, it's like driving a center console, and you're where the boat
up and down movement is minimal. The problem is, you can't really see
over the cabin top too well, so you kinda peer around the cabin.

The rear control station is great for trolling and for docking, though.


Just saving:-)

K


Good for you, Mama Tuuk.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Interesting boats, but my Parker ain't that model, and my lobster boat
ain't a Zimmerman.

Hertvik, of course, is boatless.


Boatless you say??? Then why is he here harassing 'real' boaters?



Why are you here? You just got a boat. And you have been here spouting
harassment for a lot longer than you were a boat owner.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message news:P1WDd.1609
Why are you here? You just got a boat. And you have been here spouting
harassment for a lot longer than you were a boat owner.


Careful, if you stand too close to JimH you'll catch his disease.
I bought my first sailboat (Siren 17) in the summer of '84. That may not be
impressive to an old fart like you, but just proves that you are wrong
again.
note; although I just purchased the Sandpiper in May, I owned my CL 14 from
2000 til summer of '04. Before that I had a couple of smaller boats.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:P1WDd.1609
Why are you here? You just got a boat. And you have been here spouting
harassment for a lot longer than you were a boat owner.


Careful, if you stand too close to JimH you'll catch his disease.

I will not stoop to your level by returning a personal insult.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:P1WDd.1609

Why are you here? You just got a boat. And you have been here spouting
harassment for a lot longer than you were a boat owner.



Careful, if you stand too close to JimH you'll catch his disease.
I bought my first sailboat (Siren 17) in the summer of '84. That may not
be
impressive to an old fart like you, but just proves that you are wrong
again.
note; although I just purchased the Sandpiper in May, I owned my CL 14
from
2000 til summer of '04. Before that I had a couple of smaller boats.



Bile's a drunk, and therefore you'll have to excuse his frequent memory
lapses.


Again as always, you are wrong!

wrote in message
ups.com...
And yes Krause, after 25 years of boat ownership I am presently
boatless,
although I do own an Achilles.


*********

Your dog doesn't count. All the neighbors are laughing as you attempt
obedience training,
"Achilles, heel!"



I knew you had a sense of humor Chuck. Glad to see the positive side of you
for once. ;-)

wrote in message
oups.com...
The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.

The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.

How wonderful to see you post a boating topic, rather than a personal
attack on another NG poster. I hereby withdraw one of the negative
thoughts I may have had about you.


Actually I have refrain from any personal attacks (unlike you) recently and
have posted several boating threads recently.

As far as the boats Krause claims to own I prefer neither for boating on
Lake Erie. One is too utilitarian.....the other too ornate......both are
unfriendly for my needs.

We have always enjoyed a variety of activities on our boats in the Great
Lakes, including fishing, water sports, cruising and entertaining. We also
loved the experience of having our children grow up on the boats (literally)
and spending weekends and vacations on the boats with them.

As our kids have outgrown that stage, and as my wife is no longer able to
serve as First Mate due to her physical illness, we will most likely
purchase an express cruiser in the 25 to 27 foot range (one I can handle by
myself) down the road when we purchase our waterfront property. Until then
we will still enjoy the Lake (we live only blocks from it) with our friends
who invite us out on their boats.

That being said, and getting back to the original discussion, I would love
to see pictures of Harry's custom made 36 foot lobster boat. especially
since he has already posted pictures of and bragged about his 25 foot
rather bland fishing boat.

What say you Harry?

"JimH" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...
The Parker, to my eye, is a slightly better looking boat.

While form is junior to function, the cabin top on the Zimmerman is too
long and flat. It's hard to tell from the stern quarter view, but if
there's much vertical curve at all in that sheer line the boat boat
will appear to have been designed by a group of separate committees.

The Parker superstructre is slightly chunky forward, but not
objectionably so. The stubby house and foredeck permit a far more
fishable cockpit in this vessel with a modest LOA.

How wonderful to see you post a boating topic, rather than a personal
attack on another NG poster. I hereby withdraw one of the negative
thoughts I may have had about you.


Actually I have refrained from any personal attacks (unlike you) and have
posted several boating threads recently. I have changed my ways. Can you
do the same?

As far as the boats Krause claims to own I prefer neither for boating on
Lake Erie. One is too utilitarian.....the other too ornate......both are
unfriendly for my needs.

We have always enjoyed a variety of activities on our boats in the Great
Lakes, including fishing, water sports, cruising and entertaining. We
also loved the experience of having our children grow up on the boats
(literally) and spending weekends and vacations on the boats with them.

As our kids have outgrown that stage, and as my wife is no longer able to
serve as First Mate due to her physical illness, we will most likely
purchase an express cruiser in the 25 to 27 foot range (one I can handle
by myself) down the road when we purchase our waterfront property. Until
then we will still enjoy the Lake (we live only blocks from it) with our
friends who invite us out on their boats.

That being said, and getting back to the original discussion, I would love
to see pictures of Harry's custom made 36 foot lobster boat. especially
since he has already posted pictures of and bragged about his 25 foot
rather bland fishing boat.

What say you Harry?


An edit to my previous post.

How wonderful to see you post a boating topic, rather than a personal
attack on another NG poster. I hereby withdraw one of the negative
thoughts I may have had about you.


Actually I have refrain from any personal attacks (unlike you) recently and
have posted several boating threads recently.

Whoosh.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
How wonderful to see you post a boating topic, rather than a personal
attack on another NG poster. I hereby withdraw one of the negative
thoughts I may have had about you.


Actually I have refrain from any personal attacks (unlike you) recently
and
have posted several boating threads recently.

Whoosh.

I guess the comments about personal attacks and negative thoughts were meant
as compliments, eh Chuck?

Whoosh is right.

Boatless you say??? Then why is he here harassing 'real' boaters?

same reason some want to turn a boat board into a political bash, is
if...there weren't other places for it.


beats me.....

He is here harassing "real" boat owners because he is a moron, he is a wanna
be boat owner,, wanna be smart,, wanna be parent,, you see his own children
left him for their mother promising never to associate with him again,, and
this is what HE himself has said,,, now he has showed interests in adopting
a child from the disaster in S.E. Asia where he insults the people and rubs
this disaster in their face,,, Krause is a real asshole,,,

This is why krause must have a loaded shotgun in his front closed, near the
front door,, hand guns and a cop living up the street watching his
acreage,,, all of it,, lol,,, krause is a real class act,,,,






"Tim" wrote in message
oups.com...
Boatless you say??? Then why is he here harassing 'real' boaters?

same reason some want to turn a boat board into a political bash, is
if...there weren't other places for it.


beats me.....

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
He is here harassing "real" boat owners because he is a moron, he is a
wanna
be boat owner,, wanna be smart,, wanna be parent,, you see his own
children
left him for their mother promising never to associate with him again,,
and
this is what HE himself has said,,, now he has showed interests in
adopting
a child from the disaster in S.E. Asia where he insults the people and
rubs
this disaster in their face,,, Krause is a real asshole,,,

This is why krause must have a loaded shotgun in his front closed, near
the
front door,, hand guns and a cop living up the street watching his
acreage,,, all of it,, lol,,, krause is a real class act,,,,



D'oh! You're insulting two people at once here Tuuk. One is normally a
surporter of yours.

ya,,,

well you are a real class ack there krause,,,

I bet Nathan, Frances and the bunch are real proud of you,,,,,,,,,,,,,,










"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
" Tuuk" wrote in message
...

He is here harassing "real" boat owners because he is a moron, he is a

wanna

be boat owner,, wanna be smart,, wanna be parent,, you see his own

children

left him for their mother promising never to associate with him again,,

and

this is what HE himself has said,,, now he has showed interests in

adopting

a child from the disaster in S.E. Asia where he insults the people and

rubs

this disaster in their face,,, Krause is a real asshole,,,

This is why krause must have a loaded shotgun in his front closed, near

the

front door,, hand guns and a cop living up the street watching his
acreage,,, all of it,, lol,,, krause is a real class act,,,,




D'oh! You're insulting two people at once here Tuuk. One is normally a
surporter of yours.




DumTuuk seems to have melded together four or five different posters.
But, then, what might you expect from a ... dumTuuk?