On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:46:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

If
Dean gets into office he'll tax Grandma right out of her mobile
home!......etc"

Much of the fuel for that fire was supplied by the candidates
themselves. Dean has publicly stated that he intends to roll back all
of our tax cuts. Grandma is part of that group.


Strawman:
Your daughter's all grown up and has her own place to live. You stop by to
annoy her just as she's taking the mail out of the mailbox. You notice she's
got 19 credit card bills in the mail. Being the concerned daddy, you say
"Hey...that's not gonna look so good on your credit report, having that many
credit accounts...even if they're all current". She says "Hey - I was
$8,000.00 in debt last year and now I've got it up to $17,300.00. I applied
for more cards yesterday, and I'm thinking of finding a job that pays me
less".

Analogies:
"applied for more cards" : Sold more Treasury bonds
"job that pays me less: : Lowered taxes (income)

What do you say to her?

Get a better job.


Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:46:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

If
Dean gets into office he'll tax Grandma right out of her mobile
home!......etc"

Much of the fuel for that fire was supplied by the candidates
themselves. Dean has publicly stated that he intends to roll back all
of our tax cuts. Grandma is part of that group.


Strawman:
Your daughter's all grown up and has her own place to live. You stop by
to
annoy her just as she's taking the mail out of the mailbox. You notice
she's
got 19 credit card bills in the mail. Being the concerned daddy, you say
"Hey...that's not gonna look so good on your credit report, having that
many
credit accounts...even if they're all current". She says "Hey - I was
$8,000.00 in debt last year and now I've got it up to $17,300.00. I
applied
for more cards yesterday, and I'm thinking of finding a job that pays me
less".

Analogies:
"applied for more cards" : Sold more Treasury bonds
"job that pays me less: : Lowered taxes (income)

What do you say to her?

Get a better job.


Dave

I've given you a perfect analogy for what your president is doing: Raising
debt, and lowering income. I've told you your daughter has a plan that's
identical, and that she believes it's sound. Respond to that, assuming she
intends to go ahead with her plan regardless of what you say. Also, factor
in something you don't know yet: You *will* care about her and gently nag
her until the day you die. It's human nature.

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 15:35:52 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 17:46:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

If
Dean gets into office he'll tax Grandma right out of her mobile
home!......etc"

Much of the fuel for that fire was supplied by the candidates
themselves. Dean has publicly stated that he intends to roll back all
of our tax cuts. Grandma is part of that group.


Strawman:
Your daughter's all grown up and has her own place to live. You stop by
to
annoy her just as she's taking the mail out of the mailbox. You notice
she's
got 19 credit card bills in the mail. Being the concerned daddy, you say
"Hey...that's not gonna look so good on your credit report, having that
many
credit accounts...even if they're all current". She says "Hey - I was
$8,000.00 in debt last year and now I've got it up to $17,300.00. I
applied
for more cards yesterday, and I'm thinking of finding a job that pays me
less".

Analogies:
"applied for more cards" : Sold more Treasury bonds
"job that pays me less: : Lowered taxes (income)

What do you say to her?

Get a better job.


Dave

I've given you a perfect analogy for what your president is doing: Raising
debt, and lowering income. I've told you your daughter has a plan that's
identical, and that she believes it's sound. Respond to that, assuming she
intends to go ahead with her plan regardless of what you say. Also, factor
in something you don't know yet: You *will* care about her and gently nag
her until the day you die. It's human nature.

I said it before, get a better job. Meaning that this government can
become much more efficient financially. Tax increases are not the
answer to all our woes. Spending less will give us a boost in income.

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

I've given you a perfect analogy for what your president is doing:
Raising
debt, and lowering income. I've told you your daughter has a plan that's
identical, and that she believes it's sound. Respond to that, assuming
she
intends to go ahead with her plan regardless of what you say. Also,
factor
in something you don't know yet: You *will* care about her and gently nag
her until the day you die. It's human nature.

I said it before, get a better job. Meaning that this government can
become much more efficient financially. Tax increases are not the
answer to all our woes. Spending less will give us a boost in income.

Dave



Let's try this, and if you don't get it, I give up.

1) Your president has said that no matter what ANYONE says, no matter how
the arithmetic works out, he's not going to get a better job.

2) The miniscule boost in your income will do little to help the deficit. It
serves only one purpose: To get the president reelected by people who don't
think past the current paycheck.

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 18:13:38 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

I've given you a perfect analogy for what your president is doing:
Raising
debt, and lowering income. I've told you your daughter has a plan that's
identical, and that she believes it's sound. Respond to that, assuming
she
intends to go ahead with her plan regardless of what you say. Also,
factor
in something you don't know yet: You *will* care about her and gently nag
her until the day you die. It's human nature.

I said it before, get a better job. Meaning that this government can
become much more efficient financially. Tax increases are not the
answer to all our woes. Spending less will give us a boost in income.

Dave



Let's try this, and if you don't get it, I give up.

Then you'd better give up, because I'm not buying into your example.
Not because, as you might think, I fail to understand it, but because
it's just wrong.



1) Your president has said that no matter what ANYONE says, no matter how
the arithmetic works out, he's not going to get a better job.

There are few absolutes. And this is not one of them. The government
CAN increase it's income through means other than taxes on hard
working people.


2) The miniscule boost in your income will do little to help the deficit.

One could say that the Bush tax cuts may have played a significant
part in the economic recovery that we're now experiencing.


It serves only one purpose: To get the president reelected by people who don't
think past the current paycheck.

The margin of error for predictions increases exponentially
proportionate to the passage of time.

In other words, it's very tough to predict what will happen in the
future. So enjoy the present.



Dave