"NOYB" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Try NPR...

I listen to NPR regularly.

Tell me, when do I tune in to hear the hosts denigrate all conservatives
as
"traitors"? When should I listen to hear dozens of "Yep, me toos" from
the
listening audience? Can't believe I'm missing all this hateful stuff
boradcast
on NPR.

NPR's left-wing bias is more analogous to governmental right-wing
propaganda. If you want an example of "hate talk" from the left, look at
people like Al Franken, Michael Moore, and James Carville.



NPR has actually been broadcasting quite a bit of positive stuff about
"micro" stuff in Iraq. In other words, small examples of success. But, you
don't hear that because you don't listent to NPR, tooth boy. You sound as
silly as I would if I bad-mouthed Garmin GPS equipment, something I've never
owned, used or even touched at the store.

On 08 Jan 2004 16:23:15 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

You still seem to have a problem differentiating a difference in
political ideology with "hate".

No, I don't.

When your political icons are making statements accusing "all liberals, all
Democrats, all this, all that........" of being
anti-American, (and worse), that has nothing to do with issues. It's a tool to
polarize society.

Not when those statements are followed up with examples to back them
up.


Listen to your spokespeople. They don't defend issues or policies at
all.....they simply bad mouth anybody that might oppose a right wing agenda.

You mean in the same way that you demonize conservative radio by
calling it "hate"?

Listen to the
Wally Lunchbuckets who have been bainwashed by these spokespeople. Any
discussion breaks down to personal insult and name calling almost immediately.

And that's what really bothers you guys on the left. The conservative
message is easier to understand, and breaks down easily into bite
sized bits that even the non-scholarly among us can understand (At
least partially). In order to adopt, much less understand the liberal
mindset you have to be willing to accept some idealistic utopian
principles which are foreign to the natural order of most people.

Do you want to pay more in taxes or less? For most people the answer
is easy. Do you want a greater role in determining your life? Do you
feel that individuals should bear more responsibility for their
actions? Do you feel that government and not the individual should
make the important decisions in your life? Do you believe that you
should have the right to amass wealth through your own efforts, and be
allowed to keep it? Do you believe that those who do so are "bad"
people? Do you believe that people who are successful bare some
responsibility to prop up those who aren't?

You can either allow human nature to respond naturally, with a little
guidance, or you can attempt to create a bureaucratic network of rules
and try to force people into unnatural positions. Which do you think
will ultimately win?

Free market capitalism is natural. Socialism is not. Liberalism is
ultimately bound to fail. There will always be classes in society, no
matter now hard the left tries to artificially remove them.


Why is that?

It is because when you are emotionally convinced of something you cannot
intellectually defend (due to either a lack of
native intelligence of no actual, personal, examination of the idea prior to
adopting the slick-sounding slogan) there is no recourse when challenged
*except* to retreat to, "Im right, and that makes you wrong. And if you're
wrong, you must be evil." Grade school level discussion, at best.

Liberals tend to be the ones who become emotionally attached to a
cause or position. Conservatives just want things to be simple, and
logical.



Buy options on anger, slander,
character assassination and bald faced lies. Stock in all will be
skyrocketing
soon.

It works both ways. The people on your side of the fence are hardly
angels in this respect.


You're a moving target this morning, Dave.
First, you state that there's no evidence that the right wing often behaves in
a hateful manner.

Correct. I don't consider the conservative radio message to be
"hateful" any more than the utterances from guys like James Carville
when he attacks his opposition.


Then, you reference a list of hateful acts and emotions and
rejoin with "people on your side of the fence are no better"


Both are equally guilty in using certain tactics to promote their
respective agendas. We just disagree on what to call it.



Did you change your mind between the first paragraphs and the last? :-)

No, there was nothing wrong with the one I have......:-p

Dave

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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Free market capitalism is natural. Socialism is not. Liberalism is
ultimately bound to fail. There will always be classes in society, no
matter now hard the left tries to artificially remove them.


1) You have a short memory. We've discussed this. You are not permitted to
use the word "socialism" unless you understand it. You do not understand it.
If you disagree with me, please explain socialism and how it applies to this
discussion.

2) There's nothing wrong with classes within society, as long as people are
free to choose their place. If I'm happy laying bricks, and my lack of
stress leads my doctor to say I'm the healthiest man he's ever seen, that's
my choice. If, on the other hand, I can accept chaos and stress and choose
to be an emergency room doctor, that also my choice.

You are not aware of anyone suggesting that the salary of the ER doctor
should be lowered to the level of what the bricklayer is paid.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Whore, en Español.

Thanks Doug. Is Spanish the second language in USA? We, in Canada, have
two official languages, English and French.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Dave Hall wrote:

... The conservative
message is easier to understand, and breaks down easily into bite
sized bits that even the non-scholarly among us can understand

Sure. You can sway thousands by appealing to their prejudices much much quicker
than you can convince one man by logic.

However, I would dispute that the message (in this case) is "conservative."

DSK

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Whore, en Español.

Thanks Doug. Is Spanish the second language in USA? We, in Canada, have
two official languages, English and French.

No, it just sort of flowed at the moment. Last time I described KSmith, it
upset a lot of people with the term I chose. Oh well.

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...

Do you want to pay more in taxes or less? For most people the answer
is easy.

As long as you don't ask them if they understand the long term consequences
of such a tax decision, you're all set. At least in terms of getting
yourself elected, and the aforementioned consequences don't come down the
chute until your term of office ends and you're back on your ranch.

Gould 0738 wrote:

Gould 0738 wrote:

Hate radio is a tool of the right.

Pure horse****. I've heard the left doing the same.

Really?

Yes. Why is that a surprise to you? shakin' head


Do you have some call letters of a radio station that broadcasts the left wing
equivalent of Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, and the rest? I'd like to know where
you hear the left "do the same" as the right.

WBAI

But you need not try to find this radio station: krause does *exactly*
what "Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, and the rest" do. You're just too
prejudiced to recognize it.


Kudos, though: Like NOYB you are willing to admit that the right at least does
it "too"

That's because I don't fit your prejudice. Nor am I a "conservative".

-- Charlie


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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:14:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

I don't think that mainstream America is ready for a liberal. Liberals
downplay those values and morals that most of the heartland live by.


Nah....that's not true. Liberals don't try to legislate morals, or preach
about them. We get in your face about some stuff, but not about other stuff.
The difference between Liberals and Conservatives is which areas they
acknowledge as "None of anybody's business".

It's 100% based on the opinions of human beings, not natural law or deities.
Therefore, it's fair play to meddle until the next person is elected. If I
were elected, there'd be a law saying that if your car leaks oil all over
parking lots and you don't fix it within 30 days of getting a ticket,
someone comes to your house and breaks your kneecaps, and all five fingers
on one hand. But that's just me.


That law's been on the books in Germany for a long time!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:14:16 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Dave Hall" wrote in message
.. .

I don't think that mainstream America is ready for a liberal. Liberals
downplay those values and morals that most of the heartland live by.


Nah....that's not true. Liberals don't try to legislate morals, or preach
about them. We get in your face about some stuff, but not about other
stuff.
The difference between Liberals and Conservatives is which areas they
acknowledge as "None of anybody's business".

It's 100% based on the opinions of human beings, not natural law or
deities.
Therefore, it's fair play to meddle until the next person is elected. If
I
were elected, there'd be a law saying that if your car leaks oil all over
parking lots and you don't fix it within 30 days of getting a ticket,
someone comes to your house and breaks your kneecaps, and all five
fingers
on one hand. But that's just me.


That law's been on the books in Germany for a long time!

John H

I like it! Seriously....it washes into the storm drains and ends up in MY
fishing water. My mechanic says 99% of the leakers he sees need a $1.50
washer around the oil pan drain plug.