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Hitch inversion theory
Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't
recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe |
I have two vehicles I flip the hitch (the std 2" drop where in the "correct"
position the ball mounting surface is even w/bottom of the hitch). This gives me a slight down on the back of the trailer for two different boats. I frequently put my "duck boat" (a 14.5' Duracraft w/25hp Johnson) in shallow water so this helps get it off the trailer. On the other, a 20.5' Wellcraft w/200hp motor, it lets more water drain out but it's not down but a couple of inches. What you're describing sounds kind of scary to be around! LD "Ad absurdum per aspera" wrote in message ups.com... Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe |
Just goes with everything else stupid, brainless SUV owners do. Ever
notice how most of the cars with rear-end collision damage have the damage about 2 feet up? Guess who? By the way, if your'e driving an SUV, and I don't allow you you to merge in front of me- BITE ME. JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
JR North wrote: Just goes with everything else stupid, brainless SUV owners do. Ever notice how most of the cars with rear-end collision damage have the damage about 2 feet up? Guess who? By the way, if your'e driving an SUV, and I don't allow you you to merge in front of me- BITE ME. So, you are totally against everyone who drives any SUV? Even those that use them for the reasons intended? Even those who need the room for the work that they do? |
basskisser wrote:
JR North wrote: Just goes with everything else stupid, brainless SUV owners do. Ever notice how most of the cars with rear-end collision damage have the damage about 2 feet up? Guess who? By the way, if your'e driving an SUV, and I don't allow you you to merge in front of me- BITE ME. So, you are totally against everyone who drives any SUV? Even those that use them for the reasons intended? Even those who need the room for the work that they do? Those people are in the minority, but they tend to actually know how to use their vehicles safely so they're not the problem. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
Have you ever notice that the people who are anti SUV's are from the
same group of people who insisted on gas mileage ratings that caused the manufactures to build vehiles so small that only one or two people can ride comfortably, and that can not pull a boat, carry a family, or have room for other hobby type things that the average person like to do. I guess it irks them to see their indirect creation. JR North wrote: Just goes with everything else stupid, brainless SUV owners do. Ever notice how most of the cars with rear-end collision damage have the damage about 2 feet up? Guess who? By the way, if your'e driving an SUV, and I don't allow you you to merge in front of me- BITE ME. JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe |
keith_nuttle wrote:
Have you ever notice that the people who are anti SUV's are from the same group of people who insisted on gas mileage ratings that caused the manufactures to build vehiles so small that only one or two people can ride comfortably, and that can not pull a boat, carry a family, or have room for other hobby type things that the average person like to do. I guess it irks them to see their indirect creation. As usual, the gross generalizations have exceptions. Yes, i do *drive* a car that only seats two people comfortably, but I firmly believe that market forces should determine what people purchase, not CAFE. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
.....and just what do you pull your boat with, oh master of the practical?
"JR North" wrote in message ... Just goes with everything else stupid, brainless SUV owners do. Ever notice how most of the cars with rear-end collision damage have the damage about 2 feet up? Guess who? By the way, if your'e driving an SUV, and I don't allow you you to merge in front of me- BITE ME. JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
He sounds like those head up the ass drivers who cause accidents by not
showing any courtesy. Maybe those SUV's hit the car in front because the car in front sees the extra room the SUV left and pulls into the space and applies the brakes. Happens lots while towing the boat and freeway onramps and offramps are involved. Bill "Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message m... ....and just what do you pull your boat with, oh master of the practical? "JR North" wrote in message ... Just goes with everything else stupid, brainless SUV owners do. Ever notice how most of the cars with rear-end collision damage have the damage about 2 feet up? Guess who? By the way, if your'e driving an SUV, and I don't allow you you to merge in front of me- BITE ME. JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
/rant
The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
"JR North" wrote in message
... /rant The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. Didja ever notice how a really bad driver always seems to be surrounded by what he perceives to be bad drivers? El Alumbrado "Civis Texanus Sum" |
"JR North" wrote in message ... /rant The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." Maybe you are bad driver. I now drive an SUV and a Chevy 2500 truck. I have been hit over the years, including those when I drove non-suv, by several vehicles. None an SUV or truck. An Oldsmobile while stopped at a red light. A BMW at a stop light in San Francisco. hitting a Chevy 2500 truck trailer hitch does no damage to the truck at commute stop and go speed. I have had my S-10 Blazer hit when it was 2 weeks old. Stop and go on the freeway off ramp. Older Datsun. A fullsize T-bird hit my regular car while parked. A honda civic in a parking lot. From his perspective I had to be large, so why did he drive into me while I was in a parking slot. I was about 2' from the Expedition when he ran into me. A guy fell a sleep driving through a parking lot and smashed the rear bumper and corner of my s10 p/u while driving a small rental car. Fact is, I have been hit 5 times while parked. None were an SUV. Bill |
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 23:16:27 -0600, "El Alumbrado"
wrote: "JR North" wrote in message ... /rant The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. Didja ever notice how a really bad driver always seems to be surrounded by what he perceives to be bad drivers? Look at what he's driving - a roller skate. No wonder nobody can see him. |
JR North wrote:
This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. Anyone who drives with too much peace-of-mind isn't paying enough attention, in my opinion. Any vehicle can have a moron behind the wheel and by paying too much attention to the SUV you could miss the idiot in the car next to you. |
JR North wrote:
The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. That, sir, is cobblers. A *competent* driver of *any* road-legal vehicle will see the stop sign ahead of him *long* before its exact height becomes relevant (unless, of course, the highway authority has allowed it to be obscured by other clutter - but that's quite another matter). An *incompetent* driver may very well miss the sign, whether he is driving a Lincoln Navigator or an E-Type Jag. There may, of course, be a *statistical correlation* between choice of vehicle and driving competence, but competence is *far and away* the more significant factor in road safety. |
"JR North" wrote in message ... snip I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. And why would that be a bad thing? This smells like the crap it is. At least you could have made up a convincing tale. Just for the entertainment value. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com |
"Pounds on Wood" wrote in message
... "JR North" wrote in message ... snip I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. And why would that be a bad thing? This smells like the crap it is. At least you could have made up a convincing tale. Just for the entertainment value. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com Unfortunately, JR is probably telling the unvarnished truth. Drivers tend to look straight ahead and neither up nor down - if they don't see another driver's head or the roofline of a vehicle then, to them, it simply isn't there. I was rear-ended by a driver who "didn't see" my '62 MG Midget, hit head on by another driver [same Midget], and sideswiped by yet a third driver while I was driving an '81 GMC pickup [he was driving a '79 LTD]. All 3 claimed that they didn't even know my vehicle was there. Your olfactory organ is malfunctioning - go see your doctor. |
Unfortunately, JR is probably telling the unvarnished truth. Drivers tend to look straight ahead and neither up nor down - if they don't see another driver's head or the roofline of a vehicle then, to them, it simply isn't there. I was rear-ended by a driver who "didn't see" my '62 MG Midget, hit head on by another driver [same Midget], and sideswiped by yet a third driver while I was driving an '81 GMC pickup [he was driving a '79 LTD]. All 3 claimed that they didn't even know my vehicle was there. Your olfactory organ is malfunctioning - go see your doctor. Getting rear ended I can buy. Seeing it coming, and reacting, and accelerating out of the way, in a Datsun, and seeing the driver in the rearview, I don't buy at any price. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com |
I have had to do that same thing on several occasions (accelerate away from someone I saw in my rear view mirror who had no idea I
was in front of them) in my 1/2 ton GMC 4X4 P/up Fredo "Pounds on Wood" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, JR is probably telling the unvarnished truth. Drivers tend to look straight ahead and neither up nor down - if they don't see another driver's head or the roofline of a vehicle then, to them, it simply isn't there. I was rear-ended by a driver who "didn't see" my '62 MG Midget, hit head on by another driver [same Midget], and sideswiped by yet a third driver while I was driving an '81 GMC pickup [he was driving a '79 LTD]. All 3 claimed that they didn't even know my vehicle was there. Your olfactory organ is malfunctioning - go see your doctor. Getting rear ended I can buy. Seeing it coming, and reacting, and accelerating out of the way, in a Datsun, and seeing the driver in the rearview, I don't buy at any price. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com |
The fact that he was in a 1/2 ton pickup and they claim they did not see
him, negates all his arguments about only looking forward, not up / down. As to getting rear ended and seeing it coming, yes you can. I got rear ended at a stop light. Guys brakes failed, and I sam him coming to fast, but no where to escape. I laid across the seat and braced myself. Bill "FredO" . wrote in message ... I have had to do that same thing on several occasions (accelerate away from someone I saw in my rear view mirror who had no idea I was in front of them) in my 1/2 ton GMC 4X4 P/up Fredo "Pounds on Wood" wrote in message ... Unfortunately, JR is probably telling the unvarnished truth. Drivers tend to look straight ahead and neither up nor down - if they don't see another driver's head or the roofline of a vehicle then, to them, it simply isn't there. I was rear-ended by a driver who "didn't see" my '62 MG Midget, hit head on by another driver [same Midget], and sideswiped by yet a third driver while I was driving an '81 GMC pickup [he was driving a '79 LTD]. All 3 claimed that they didn't even know my vehicle was there. Your olfactory organ is malfunctioning - go see your doctor. Getting rear ended I can buy. Seeing it coming, and reacting, and accelerating out of the way, in a Datsun, and seeing the driver in the rearview, I don't buy at any price. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net... The fact that he was in a 1/2 ton pickup and they claim they did not see him, negates all his arguments about only looking forward, not up / down. As to getting rear ended and seeing it coming, yes you can. I got rear ended at a stop light. Guys brakes failed, and I sam him coming to fast, but no where to escape. I laid across the seat and braced myself. Bill The driver who, quite literally, pulled to the left when we were parallel [I had a guardrail on my left] couldn't recognize that the blue door panel was part of a vehicle. His claim to have looked was a phoney: I actually happened to glance over at him just as he went to move into my lane and his head never moved. |
"RAM^3" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... The fact that he was in a 1/2 ton pickup and they claim they did not see him, negates all his arguments about only looking forward, not up / down. As to getting rear ended and seeing it coming, yes you can. I got rear ended at a stop light. Guys brakes failed, and I sam him coming to fast, but no where to escape. I laid across the seat and braced myself. Bill The driver who, quite literally, pulled to the left when we were parallel [I had a guardrail on my left] couldn't recognize that the blue door panel was part of a vehicle. His claim to have looked was a phoney: I actually happened to glance over at him just as he went to move into my lane and his head never moved. It contradicts your statement that SUV drivers can not see. Some SUV drivers, same as car drivers, have there head up their ass, and with no window in the stomach can not see. Those are the ones who drive in the left lane at 20 under the speed limit, and run into or cause accidents. Nothing to do with the size of the SUV. |
I guess you got your handle from pounding on your head...
JR Pounds on Wood wrote: "JR North" wrote in message ... snip I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. And why would that be a bad thing? This smells like the crap it is. At least you could have made up a convincing tale. Just for the entertainment value. -- ******** Bill Pounds http://www.billpounds.com -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth |
Considering the large percentage of SUV owners on the road, I consider
the negative reply posts to be just piqued SUV owners. Feeling self conscious? JR JR North wrote: /rant The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
I figure you are a twit, that probably can not drive a sport car or a truck.
I used to race sportscars (I am in the original Herbie), as well as own a trucking company. Over the years I have seen more idiots in small cars than in big SUV's or trucks. At least the people in recreational trucks normally know that you get run over by a semi, that you are going to lose. I have had randy racer in his CRX pull infront of my Expedition, clearing it by inches to make an offramp. I have seen sportie cars pull on to the freeway after stopping on the onramp at 40 mph. I have also seen the soccer mom in the SUV talking on the cell phone take her 1/2 out of the middle of the road. As well as guys in sedans, driving 45 in the middle lane of the freeway and wandering from side to side, while talking on his cell phone (is he talking to the soccer mom?). There are bad drivers in all size vehicles. I just happen to see more stupid stunts by small cars cutting off a boat towing SUV or truck as they see the room between the truck and the next car. And no space on the california freeway goes unfilled for more than 10 seconds. "JR North" wrote in message ... Considering the large percentage of SUV owners on the road, I consider the negative reply posts to be just piqued SUV owners. Feeling self conscious? JR JR North wrote: /rant The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net... It contradicts your statement that SUV drivers can not see. Some SUV drivers, same as car drivers, have there head up their ass, and with no window in the stomach can not see. Those are the ones who drive in the left lane at 20 under the speed limit, and run into or cause accidents. Nothing to do with the size of the SUV. No contradiction: *I* made no statement that *only* SUV operators suffered from this form of psychologically-rooted "Tunnel Vision". G Review *my* statements and you'll find that I never mentioned SUVs at all - although the quoted text did. [Sorta like this post! G] The phenomenon *does*, however, seem to be most prevalent in urban areas. |
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:40:34 -0800, JR North wrote:
/rant The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe Damn_ pity all those folks missed ya. We'll keep tryin'_ sooner or later one of us will git your ass. |
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:30:31 -0800, JR North wrote:
Considering the large percentage of SUV owners on the road, I consider the negative reply posts to be just piqued SUV owners. Feeling self conscious? JR No_ Not in the slightest. We all know the vehicle isn't really the issue. My wife is the worst driver I have ever known and she typically has 3 or 4 close calls every time she gets on the road. She hates, trucks, sports-cars, suv's, little-cars, luxury cars, blue cars, green cars, and you name it cars. Every gd car on the road is a problem because of incompetent fools behind the wheel of those stupid 'fill-in-the-blank' vehicles that no body needs. Bottom line? She sucks as a driver. Feeling self conscious yet? You should be. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: I figure you are a twit, that probably can not drive a sport car or a truck. Nice sentence structure, oh drunken one. Gude speling, two. I have had randy racer in his CRX pull infront of my Expedition, clearing it by inches to make an offramp. Whew...and how did you know he was randy? Infront? Offramp? Are these real compound words in California? I have seen sportie cars pull on to the freeway after stopping on the onramp at 40 mph. Sportie cars? And please explain how one is stopped if one is moving at 40 mph? You frequently point out the spelling or grammar errors of other posters, Bile, and I often remind you that you are in no position to do so. Once again, you are in no position to "correct" the spelling, grammar, or sentence structure of other posters. Your understanding of language and ability to write is not much better than Tuuk's, and his is ****-poor. Have another beer...you must have the shakes, eh? Go take an enema. You are so full of ****, you may explode! Did you have to give back your illegal gains from Ullico? Why we never hear about the lobsta boat? |
JR North wrote: /rant The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, SNIP My current and last SUV were both rear ended by people who must have thought they were invisible. We have never had an at-fault accident in either or my previous two Jeep Grand Cherokees. Both my 2000 MDX and my 2004 X5 (6 days old!) were hit by full-size Ford vans. In both cases, my vehicle was stopped. The damage to the X5 including all of its safety gadgets was a bit over $7000. Based on your theory, I guess people in E150 vans can't look FORWARD. Dan |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: I figure you are a twit, that probably can not drive a sport car or a truck. Nice sentence structure, oh drunken one. Gude speling, two. I have had randy racer in his CRX pull infront of my Expedition, clearing it by inches to make an offramp. Whew...and how did you know he was randy? Infront? Offramp? Are these real compound words in California? I have seen sportie cars pull on to the freeway after stopping on the onramp at 40 mph. Sportie cars? And please explain how one is stopped if one is moving at 40 mph? You frequently point out the spelling or grammar errors of other posters, Bile, and I often remind you that you are in no position to do so. Once again, you are in no position to "correct" the spelling, grammar, or sentence structure of other posters. Your understanding of language and ability to write is not much better than Tuuk's, and his is ****-poor. Have another beer...you must have the shakes, eh? Go take an enema. You are so full of ****, you may explode! Did you have to give back your illegal gains from Ullico? Why we never hear about the lobsta boat? One more time, Bile: I was not an officer or a member of the board of ULLICO, and therefore I was not eligible to participate in any of the internal or external ULLICO-related stock offerings. Further, I had no business relationship with ULLICO at the time of the stock offerings to which you refer. Is that simple enough for you to understand? Finally? "Why we never hear..." Which part of the union members pension funds did you steal? |
accelerating out of the way, in a Datsun, and seeing the driver in the
rearview, I don't buy at any price. I can. i used to have a Datsun 2000 Sport Coupe' They were quicker and handled better than an MGB. actuall, pretty impressive. I won several Autocross competitions with it. Tim |
From: JR North
The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." Hardly worth a response, the owner of a 2003 Ford Expedition. My next vehicle will be an F-350 diesel Crew Cab, even larger and higher. 77 days to go.. |
Yup, them Ford diesels look awfully good and pack a punch (am a Chevy diesel
driver myself) -- good luck and enjoy the beast! I was reading the reposts and drawing from personal experiences on the road, have come to the conclusion that "inexperienced SUV drivers" who are responsible for many of the accidents/incidents alluded to, are simply "bad drivers" to begin with, i.e., whether they drive a sedan, wagon or SUV. There are still a majority of "bad drivers" out there zipping around in sedans/wagons who shouldn't be on the road at all. Another previous post mentioned small sedans (Neons, etc.) cutting off SUVs to line up for an exit a few hundred feet away with no one behind you for a few hundred feet -- this happens to me about once a week, rain or shine. I had one trying to sneak in from my right rear in a two-to-one lane merge while she was on her cell phone and she ended up leaving some paint on my chrome bumper -- she refused to stop and kept talking on the cell phone. Thus, there is much truth in the posts but the issue is not due to inexperience, just bad driving. The transition from sedan/wagon driving to SUV driving shouldn't be an issue for a good/average driver. I choose to drive around in a 6,500 lb turbo-diesel SUV because it suits our needs. An advantage is that all that mass and its height should help in a collision with one of them NitWits in another SUV. Unfortunately for smaller sedan/wagon drivers, physics will not be on their side. Franko "RGrew176" wrote in message ... From: JR North The main beef I have with SUVs is the people who drive them have little or no experience with the shifted drivers perspective due to the elevated eye level. I have come within a short hair's width of being broadsided TWICE by Lincoln Navigators, who's drivers ran a stop sign on an intersecting side street. This is because they are used to looking UP at a stop sign in a car. The elevated eye level in an SUV puts the sign about level with the driver. So, it doesn't register. People who are used to driving trucks do not make this error. The higher driver position causes an error in judging the distance of the car in front, and sometimes not even seeing it because it is below the drivers straight ahead line of vision. I was waiting to turn left into a 7-11 with my brake and T/S lights on in my '70 Datsun Roadster. I glanced in my RVM to see a Ford Expedition barreling right at me at 45mph. I stomped the gas and got out of her way just in the nick of time. I could see her face as I glanced- see was staring straight ahead- didn't even see me sitting there. If I hadn't moved, I would have been killed- literally run-over by that monster. Suvs rear-end cars for the above illustrated conditions. I have 3 neighbors with SUVs, all 3 currently have front end damage. As I said, look at the number of cars with rear end collision damage well above bumper height. I have had SUV's repeatedly change lanes into me(without colliding), because they can't see smaller cars next to them. Am I discourteous to SUVs? You bet. I can't trust one behind me, and can't see around one in front of me. If one is next to me, I'm just waiting for it to swerve into my lane. If one is approaching on a side street, I expect it to run the stop sign. This is no way to drive with peace-of-mind. The main problem is the nitwits that drive them have no experience driving a large, high vehicle. I'm just counting the days till I get killed by one..... \rant JR Ad absurdum per aspera wrote: Three times in the past week or so, I've noticed something I don't recall seeing befo someone with a high-riding pickup or SUV who had two to six inches of drop hitch -- installed upside down. Two of them had a trailer on, and in the worst case, a flatbed behind a Ford Excursion, the upside-down apparatus combined with the tall vehicle to leave it sitting at maybe a twenty-degree angle. I'm surprised he didn't leave his trailer taillights on the speed bumps -- or his cargo on the road going up a steep hill. Just for completeness, I went to a local store and looked at the catalogue from one of the big makers of trailering tools and toys. Sure enough, it contained not only instructions but photographs showing what things are supposed to look like when properly rigged. Somehow people are spending money on an accessory that they probably need -- and using it exactly wrong. Fishtailing soon down an Interstate near you... --Joe -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." Hardly worth a response, the owner of a 2003 Ford Expedition. My next vehicle will be an F-350 diesel Crew Cab, even larger and higher. 77 days to go.. |
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